What is the top predator in the ocean besides man?

[Witis]

First off: You are delusional.

I bet you don't even know what delusional means; moreover, resorting to insults is an indication that you are losing it like John McEnroe throwing a bratty tanty. In the future please maintain at least some degree of civility by restricting yourself to discussing the issue at hand and avoiding personal insults.

Really? Based on what?

If you are arguing that great white sharks are further up the food chain than humans I think that most scientists would view you as either extremely eccentric or psychotic.

This statement, coupled with the previous one, made me re-evaluate your whole position. Are you a creationist?

There is nothing in this thread that focuses on anything other than science which means you are seeing things that are not there, alternatively stated you are showing signs of suffering from illusionary symptoms. If you are in any further doubt please read my signature which stipulates that objective science (non fiction) > faith based religions (fiction).

Actually, a single Orca can kill a single Mako, regardless of the age, and if you think about it a bit, you will know that it is the case.

Please elaborate on exactly how an Orca can kill a Mako one on one.

People often misunderstand how animals will use certain body parts. For instance, you focus on the teeth of the Orca, yet the video showed that it will use its tail as the primary weapon against a Mako. There are similar examples all throughout the animal kingdom.

The reason for focusing on teeth is that they are often critical in determining the true nature of a creature. For example although the T.Rex used to be regarded as the top of the food chain on land, a prehistoric king, it has since been revealed that their teeth may actually provide crucial evidence for repositioning them as more scavenger than predator, the debate is ongoing see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gWL6y3Uw4 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_T-Rex. Likewise the teeth of the Orca mean that it cannot eat sharks regularly or it wears its teeth down to the gums meaning it is not a natural shark predator.

Not natural, human.

No natural, the sea is predominantly filled with predatory species, unlike on land, therefore determining the topmost aquatic predator is a function of their natural environment.

Furthermore, our drive to classify, categorize, and rank, everything that we encounter serves us only to a certain extent. It also misleads us. For instance, the whole concept of species was created by a creationist (as everybody was in that day)

Species is by default a scientific term which has a different ecclesiastical meaning altogether.

Unfortunately, the species name given by humans isn't a characteristic of the animal, and any number of 'species' are violating the rules we have tried to impose on them.

What species name isn't a characteristic of the animal, and what rules are being violated?

Some people try to address this by tweaking the definition of what is a species, but all such attempts tend to fail. The truth is that the whole concept of species is a human construct that is useful in some cases, but we should always remember that it is flawed.

I disagree, the construct of species has been successfully implemented and is constantly revised.

You are making the same mistake with the concept of a 'top predator'. There is no such thing. Only humans would try to impose such a categorization on the world around them. The categorization is only useful as long as you remember that it is also false.

By saying that there is no such thing as a top predator, when it is obvious that Man is the top organic predator on Earth, makes you appear overtly delusional.

A keystone predator is a different thing, as it can be measured in an absolute sense....though it may be impossible to do so in practice. A keystone predator is one such that its removal causes whole communities of species to disappear. The presence of the predator enables other species to exist, generally by keeping some otherwise dominant species in check. Of course, the only way to prove that something is a keystone predator is to remove it and measure the change, which isn't something you can do on a whole ocean level.

In other words you don't have a keystone predator for me to look at that could beat the Mako either directly or indirectly.

Despite the fact that everybody else on this thread believes you are practicing self-deception?

I am only looking at the scientific facts specifically to avoid any self deception or subjective conclusions.

Actually, you are filtering the facts to support your theories.

The primary widely held view or theory is that the Orca is the topmost oceanic predator, I have presented facts that contradict this theory.

I assume that one of those words is wrong, though I'm not sure which one. Cannibalism isn't anything all that unusual, but that wouldn't have anything to do with Orcas, so I assume you meant Orca where you wrote one of the Makos, though I can't say which.

You really can't work it out? That's a worry.

Your attempt to use popular culture as being some kind of authoritative reference is not going to get you far around here. We all know that popular culture is largely misinformed.

I still think your theory is grounded in popular culture rather than fact.

Hardly surprising when you consider that half the human race has below median intelligence.

What has that got to do with the top land based predator?

We really like to award ourselves trophies, and who is out there to say otherwise?

You seem to be arguing against it.