What can be done when the governments lose all shame?

[Pradeep1210]

I'm sure this happens with all countries that host the Commonwealth Games.
Or is ours the worst one? Is this what we pay the taxes for?

CVC was asked not to inspect Games projects
Corruption scandal hits 2010 Games, organisers deny charges
Rs 4 lakhs for an AC, 9 lakhs for a treadmill
Sheila Dikshit says, I have nothing to say

... and the list continues...



 

[Pradeep1210]

Anyone has any ideas to do something about this, other than getting into a legal battle with the government?

[Siddharth Rout]

The answer is very simple .... Vote for the right people!

[Pradeep1210]

... and the right people is ______ ?

[abhijit]

... and the right people is ______ ?

The right people is "you".

The reality of the matter is that reasonably sane people tend to avoid politics like plague. The thought of ruling over the masses scares them.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

I'm sure this happens with all countries that host the Commonwealth Games.

Er not when we hosted it in Manchester it didn't. The Manchester CW Games went really well and it was actually in part due to how well they went that convinced the British government to bid for the London Olympics.

Sounds like you have some dodgy people in charge.

When the Commonwealth Games actually happened in Manchester they brought a really good atmosphere to the city various new sport facilities (Swimming, cycling e.t.c) and seemed leave a legacy to the City.

Hopefully despite the organising problems of yours the games themselves will turn out well, because if they do then India will have shown they can manage and put on a large scale international sporting event which can only be good for the future.

[Pradeep1210]

The right people is "you".

The reality of the matter is that reasonably sane people tend to avoid politics like plague. The thought of ruling over the masses scares them.

You're right! Unfortunately, we can't vote for ourselves. We must vote for one of the political parties, and all of them would do the same/similar when voted to power.

And it doesn't make sense in getting in into someone else's shoes, when they are not doing their job right. We are software professionals and we are doing our profession well. On the other hand the politicians are not doing their profession with dedication. If we exchange professions, they will rot the software industry too.

[danasegarane]

No one is interested in serving people. Earn Money as much you can, If you face any case, handle them with money....

Vote for the Right educated people, vote for new people..Lets some what the new one do

[Pradeep1210]

Er not when we hosted it in Manchester it didn't. The Manchester CW Games went really well and it was actually in part due to how well they went that convinced the British government to bid for the London Olympics.

Sounds like you have some dodgy people in charge.

When the Commonwealth Games actually happened in Manchester they brought a really good atmosphere to the city various new sport facilities (Swimming, cycling e.t.c) and seemed leave a legacy to the City.

Hopefully despite the organising problems of yours the games themselves will turn out well, because if they do then India will have shown they can manage and put on a large scale international sporting event which can only be good for the future.

Here even the flower pots are being bought for Rs. 4000 to Rs. 5000 per pot, the actual cost of which in the open market is just Rs. 20 to Rs. 30.
And its no secret. It's declared openly.

 

[Siddharth Rout]

Buy me a sniper rifle and hire me to shoot corrupt politicians.

$1200000 per assassination.

Satisfaction guaranteed

[abhijit]

No one is interested in serving people. Earn Money as much you can, If you face any case, handle them with money....

Vote for the Right educated people, vote for new people..Lets some what the new one do

The reality is that the masses have been sufficiently corrupted to vote for the same old people. The electoral process has been reduced to a mockery.

[honeybee]

I am surprised to see Manmohan Singh hasn't personally taken charge of the project yet. Looks like either no one cares about the success or failure of the project, or they are just waiting to use this opportunity to get rid of some political pests.

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[Pradeep1210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcn782_wvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs4wETCMtUE

So now Hitler also isn't coming.

[capsulecorpjx]

Well India need some anti-corruption laws in place and a dedicated agency that enforces / investigates it.

Along with heavy heavy jail terms for breaches with solid evidence, or outright dismissal for even a hint of corruption.

[baja_yu]

Hitler isn't coming?! I was really hoping to see him.

[abhijit]

Well India need some anti-corruption laws in place and a dedicated agency that enforces / investigates it.

Along with heavy heavy jail terms for breaches with solid evidence, or outright dismissal for even a hint of corruption.

That would mean a lot of honest people getting shafted.
An agency would simply be headed by some one who has an ax to grind.

Indian democracy is evolving. India became free in 1947, so it is just been 63 years. It will take some time for it to mature. The important thing is that there have been no coups since democracy has been established.

[honeybee]

That would mean a lot of honest people getting shafted.
An agency would simply be headed by some one who has an ax to grind.

Indian democracy is evolving. India became free in 1947, so it is just been 63 years. It will take some time for it to mature. The important thing is that there has been no coups since democracy has been established.

Well one possibility is all the people who can will just move out, leaving the country in the hands of those who can't rule it.

Another possibility is the good people will organize and drive away/out the bad ones, but it's a remote possibility. A remote with no batteries, actually.

Good people do not want to join politics not because they hate ruling the masses, but because they hate being manipulated by the bad people already in business.

The fiasco of the CWG 2010 is purely because we have some pretty good incompetent people heading the whole exercise. I mean they are so incompetent, they can't even defraud the people well!

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[NeedSomeAnswers]

Well one possibility is all the people who can will just move out, leaving the country in the hands of those who can't rule it.

There are over a billion people in India, where would they all go to ???

You certainly cant all come to the UK as our current government is about to impose a non-EU immigration cap. In fact i bet most countries have an immigration cap

[abhijit]

Send all the politicians to the UK. They are definitely less than a billion. <evil grin>

[NeedSomeAnswers]

Send all the politicians to the UK. They are definitely less than a billion. <evil grin>

Now they are definitely cant come, they dont count as skilled workers !!!

[abhijit]

Oh, they're skilled alright. Just not used to working, somewhat similar to the Royal Family you have over there.

[arunb]

nothing.

[honeybee]

nothing.

Well, there are ways, but they are difficult. Everyday when I drive to work, I see people jumping signals all the time. Since I make it a point to halt at every red light, I get many drivers behind me honking at me, asking me to move ahead. The reason: Either everybody else is doing it, the roads are empty or there are no cops. None of these people realize it's their country and they have to uphold the laws themselves.

Would you like to be the role model for your kids, relatives, colleagues, juniors? Here's what it would take: Follow all the laws. Which means no spitting, no smoking, no drinking, stopping at a red light, wearing seat belts, not using the mobile phone while driving. How many people in Mumbai do you think do this? You would be surprised to see how many people I see doing one or the other things out of the above mentioned ones. And these include people driving luxury cars (who are probably running their own businesses or having senior positions in companies they work for). If these people do not care about the laws, do you think the country can be improved?

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[arunb]

exactly my point, since we are breaking the law at some point or the other (its impossible to be straight forward and survive in India), how can you expect our politicians to be any better.

Have you wondered why in a democracy like ours why most politicians are corrupt ??

[Nightwalker83]

Hitler isn't coming?! I was really hoping to see him.

Wait! I was thinking of changing my name to Hitler and going.

[honeybee]

(its impossible to be straight forward and survive in India)

It's this mentality that's hurting India as a nation the most. People almost seem to think that the laws are meant to be broken. Why can't we determine that we shall follow the laws instead of trying to see how to break them? There are so many simple ones which don't cost you a dime to follow: Never cross the railway tracks, always follow the traffic signals, do not spit or litter in public places. Do you think if you followed these laws, people would kill you?

Saturday I was watching the epic Gandhi on TV. What amazes me is the determination of the person to fight back without resorting to any violent means. If he could do that in the oppressive British regime, how difficult is it to do it today?

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[arunb]

congratulations !!

The opening ceremony went of well, even the Australians are hailing the event, and to think they were thinking of withdrawing from the games....

[danasegarane]

Finally we had wonderful opening ceremony

[Pradeep1210]

It's this mentality that's hurting India as a nation the most. People almost seem to think that the laws are meant to be broken. Why can't we determine that we shall follow the laws instead of trying to see how to break them? There are so many simple ones which don't cost you a dime to follow: Never cross the railway tracks, always follow the traffic signals, do not spit or litter in public places. Do you think if you followed these laws, people would kill you?

Saturday I was watching the epic Gandhi on TV. What amazes me is the determination of the person to fight back without resorting to any violent means. If he could do that in the oppressive British regime, how difficult is it to do it today?

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That's just an ideal speak. You can do that only if you have ample of time to spare, which unfortunately you won't have in this fast moving world.

In a city where there is a red light every 100 meters or so, if you stop at every red light, plus also bear the traffic jams every now and then, you will either have to leave from home too early or face the wrath of your bosses. If you are late a couple of days in a go you may even be fired from job. Your boss won't accept your ideals calling them "lame excuses".

Let's take an ideal situation where your office is 10 km from your home and there is a red light every 100m, or traffic jam, and you spend 2 minutes on each red light/jam. You will have to spend about 3 hours just waiting on red lights, + 1 hour traveling. So you will have to leave 4 hrs early from home to ensure you reach the office on time in worst cases. That makes it approximately 8 hours just traveling to and fro from home to office & back.

Now there are two ways to it:
1. Teach everyone that they should stop on all red lights and all the ideals related to it.
or,
2. Change yourself and do how they are doing (which don't match the ideals). Just as they say: "Do in Rome as Romans do".

Which one do you think you would be able to do?

[abhijit]

It's this mentality that's hurting India as a nation the most. People almost seem to think that the laws are meant to be broken. Why can't we determine that we shall follow the laws instead of trying to see how to break them? There are so many simple ones which don't cost you a dime to follow: Never cross the railway tracks, always follow the traffic signals, do not spit or litter in public places. Do you think if you followed these laws, people would kill you?

Saturday I was watching the epic Gandhi on TV. What amazes me is the determination of the person to fight back without resorting to any violent means. If he could do that in the oppressive British regime, how difficult is it to do it today?

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On one hand you think the Government is oppressing you, on the other hand you want people to follow the laws. Make up your mind.

Gandhi was successful in overthrowing the then Government by not disobeying the laws set at the time.

[arunb]

That's just an ideal speak. You can do that only if you have ample of time to spare, which unfortunately..............

My thoughts exactly...

[pcuser]

Has anyone else noticed that one of the tags for this thread is "fake vomit"?

Tags
assassination, corruption, fake vomit, government, india, stupidity

[honeybee]

That's just an ideal speak. You can do that only if you have ample of time to spare, which unfortunately you won't have in this fast moving world.

In a city where there is a red light every 100 meters or so, if you stop at every red light, plus also bear the traffic jams every now and then, you will either have to leave from home too early or face the wrath of your bosses. If you are late a couple of days in a go you may even be fired from job. Your boss won't accept your ideals calling them "lame excuses".

Let's take an ideal situation where your office is 10 km from your home and there is a red light every 100m, or traffic jam, and you spend 2 minutes on each red light/jam. You will have to spend about 3 hours just waiting on red lights, + 1 hour traveling. So you will have to leave 4 hrs early from home to ensure you reach the office on time in worst cases. That makes it approximately 8 hours just traveling to and fro from home to office & back.

Now there are two ways to it:
1. Teach everyone that they should stop on all red lights and all the ideals related to it.
or,
2. Change yourself and do how they are doing (which don't match the ideals). Just as they say: "Do in Rome as Romans do".

Which one do you think you would be able to do?

I still don't understand how breaking the law becomes justifiable. It's beyond my comprehension how you can justify jumping signals just because you want to reach office early. Or you think the government officials put up traffic lights for their own amusements, to see how the lights change colour? I have yet to see a 10km stretch of road that has a traffic light every 100m which stays red for 2 minutes.

Abhijit, Gandhi disobeyed the laws because it was a foreign government. Please don't justify the actions of hundreds of irresponsible people by citing Gandhi's actions.

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[abhijit]

The Government was oppressive. I am not sure if foreign was the reason he revolted.

[honeybee]

The Government was oppressive. I am not sure if foreign was the reason he revolted.

Well, all I can say is I am shocked. I do think that he is called the Father of the Nation for a reason.

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[abhijit]

Through out history, India has been invaded several times by several different cultures. Some came to stay permanently, some had short term forays.

Case in point: The Mughals.

The Mughals came over from a different country. Babar was Genghis Khan's grandson. After some skirmishes against them, the rest of the country pretty much either joined forces with them or left them alone.

The reason why Gandhi is called the Father of the Nation is he helped shape India's political destiny. (Mostly by handing over the nation to the Nehru Dynasty.) (That's a different discussion for another day).

The Brits were oppressive to the point where people found it impossible to feel free. You can't rule a country where the masses feel they are being shafted all the time. That's screaming for revolution.

[Pradeep1210]

I still don't understand how breaking the law becomes justifiable. It's beyond my comprehension how you can justify jumping signals just because you want to reach office early. Or you think the government officials put up traffic lights for their own amusements, to see how the lights change colour?

No, I'm not provoking to break laws. But in situations where there is no vehicle on the sides the lights are green and you are waiting to let go your light green, I don't see any harm in jumping the red light. Though these are purely my personal views.

I have yet to see a 10km stretch of road that has a traffic light every 100m which stays red for 2 minutes.

Only if you were in Delhi during these CommonWealth games you would have known the plight of Delhites.
Half the roads from both sides are just blocked for VIPs and all traffic has been cramped into the other halves of the roads.

[honeybee]

No, I'm not provoking to break laws. But in situations where there is no vehicle on the sides the lights are green and you are waiting to let go your light green, I don't see any harm in jumping the red light. Though these are purely my personal views.

In other words it's not ok to jump a red light if there are vehicles coming in from other directions, but it's ok if the street is deserted? So are you saying committing a crime when nobody is around to watch is ok? By the way thanks for clarifying these are your personal views.

If we can't resist the temptation of jumping a red light for the sake of saving a minute or two, do you really think we have any right to complain about corrupt politicians?

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[NeedSomeAnswers]

If we can't resist the temptation of jumping a red light for the sake of saving a minute or two, do you really think we have any right to complain about corrupt politicians?

Yes !

[Pradeep1210]

If we can't resist the temptation of jumping a red light for the sake of saving a minute or two, do you really think we have any right to complain about corrupt politicians?

I don't see how the two situations equate to each other. They are eating up our money, I'm not.