Ad link for some key words?

[si_the_geek]

I am not making these numbers up

I have no doubt about that.

and it does relate to this new innovation.

I disagree with that - because I do not get the same thing.

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, but whatever problem(s) there are do not seem to be directly related to the adword's.

In Firefox this page loads for me in about 6 seconds (4 if the adwords aren't used), and in IE8 it loads in about 10 (or 6) part of which I cannot scroll etc. Your test took me just 15 seconds in IE8.

I have tried many refreshes of this page in IE8, and there have been a few times where it has been noticeably slower - but it seems to be nothing to do with adwords or ad's at all, because IE claims that it is loading the picture for the "find" button at the bottom of the page ( /icom_includes/footers/but_find.gif ).

[si_the_geek]

They don't always load (I have no idea why), and whatever the delays are about seems to be limited to IE.

More info in the other thread about this: http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...86#post3787686

[RhinoBull]

I just retested it - last night (at home) I was on cable broadband (~10-15 MB/sec) and this morning (at work) I am on dual 100MB/sec ethernet.
So, the actual time to do the same thing was faster but still very much not desirable - around 30 seconds.
As you can see performance is far from being even half normal and this is using very fast internet access.

[nbrege]

I think it has more to do with your browser than with your internet speed. IE seems to be the only browser that has issues with the ad links...

[Spoo]

I've got IE7 on this machine (I have IE8 on the other).

And as per this other thread on this matter,

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...93#post3787693

I too am experiencing the 10-second "lock-up"
-- can't scroll, can't even click the "x" button
to close the IE window -- as well as the CPU spike.

Really unfortunate. FoxFire might be the work-around.

Just to clarify -- I don't mind the presence of the ads.
It's the 10-second delay that I object to.

Spoo

[Spoo]

Si

Thanks for the link

Spoo

[RhinoBull]

I think it has more to do with your browser than with your internet speed. IE seems to be the only browser that has issues with the ad links...

I totally disagree, however it should not be (in case it is) browser dependent either.

Just to clarify -- I don't mind the presence of the ads.
It's the 10-second delay that I object to.

Precisely right.

[brucevde]

For me, the delay happens in both IE8 and FF.

In FF I get this warning 3 times (if I click Cancel button) on every page.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I get a delay, but it is only 2-3 seconds. This is on IE8 with a dual core processor. Both cores spike way up during this delay.

[MartinLiss]

Moved to Forum Feedback.

[JPnyc]

Can you give us some more system information, those of you receiving this slow script warning? Thanks. If you don't wish to post it publicly, you can use the contact us link at the bottom of each page to e-mail us directly.

[GaryMazzone]

Running Lenovo T61 2GB Ram Dual Core T7500 2.2GHz , WinXP SP3, IE8 I spike at 95% for about 10 secs, can't use links, can't scroll the page.

[techgnome]

Acer Aspire 1420p Win7 Ultimate, IE8, wireless G (with highspeed internet connection), Intel Celeron SU2300, 2G RAM

Is there anything else you need to know?

-tg

[NeedSomeAnswers]

I am using Google Chrome and barley even notice the adwords !

All those using IE go and install a half decent browser and you load time will improve anyway !

[GaryMazzone]

We can't all do that at work with locked down computers can we?

[JPnyc]

I experienced a slight delay in the final page load with IE but there is no script warning. We are looking into speeding it up.

[techgnome]

I tried FireFox at home.... ever since 3.5, I haven't been able to stand it... with the exception of VBF, IE8 works best for me.

-tg

[Shaggy Hiker]

Dual Core something or other with 2GB RAM on wireless-G link to DSL, running IE8. The pause per page is 3-5 seconds with both cores topping 60% usage. The pause is showing the ad link being downloaded, but it probably isn't if they are being created on the fly.

[Nightwalker83]

Hey,

I can't say that I have seen any "delays" in loading the pages, just a slight delay in the "ads" popping up when I hover over it. I am using Google Chrome.

Rhino, what browser are you using?

Gary

I should've mentioned it earlier - I'm using IE8. If you look at the progress bar it looks like page is loading twice.

Are you talking about vbforums? I must be missing something because browsing the forums in IE8 my cpu usage only reaches a max of 50% for about 1 second.

Edit:

Yes, and also experience a delay in the pages loading but only by about 2 seconds.

[gep13]

Yes, this thread is regarding vbforums.

Gary

[dilettante]

The code can eat at least a whole core for 2 to 5 seconds per page-load. The result is almost claustrophobic unless you're used to dial-up speeds.

This "feature" should be pulled until it can be fixed. It's pretty embarrasing.

[gep13]

Hey,

Could this be a geographical location based issue (I have no basis for this thought, just putting it out there).

It would seem to be the case that even people with the same browsers are seeing differences in performance of the site.

As I said, I personally have seen no issues, apart from a delay in the the flyout actually opening with it's content.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Wow! Disabling Javascript gets rid of those ad words but doing that disables the useful forum features. Pity, there is no per click function that allows you only to execute the javascript behind the link or button you click on. The whole world has gone advertisement mad!

[RhinoBull]

I tried FireFox at home.... ever since 3.5, I haven't been able to stand it... with the exception of VBF, IE8 works best for me.

-tg

TG, I just tried using new Opera 10.51 and VBF loads pretty fast but very strange: there are no delays while page is still loading.
Give it the try.

[techgnome]

RB - thanks.... I've switched to Chrome for my VBF viewing at home... so far, so good. delays are minimal and are in line with what I would expect, even with the smart tag ads coming through (about 10% of the time - the other 90 I get no tags and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to them showing vs not showing).

-tg

[dee-u]

I am using Opera (since 2005 actually) and I don't notice a delay in loading the page, its just that it gets stuck a few seconds when I hover above those ad words.

[Spoo]

Boops

Great solution. Does something similar exist for IE?

Spoo

[Nightwalker83]

I just installed the NoScript plugin for FireFox and it got rid of all the irritating links instantly. The forum buttons all still work. BB

Does that plugin affect other javascripts (eg those needed for validation)?

[boops boops]

Does that plugin affect other javascripts (eg those needed for validation)?

It lets you selectively allow and disallow scripts from various sources - see menu below.

I have now noticed that a few forum functions don't work when vbforums.com is disallowed, for example the Thread Tools drop down menu. But it's easy to click the "temporarily allow" option to activate everything. I prefer that to the popups constantly getting in the way.

BB

[boops boops]

Boops

Great solution. Does something similar exist for IE?

Spoo

I practically never use IE so I didn't know that. But here's an article comparing FireFox+NoScript to IE8's script blocking capacities. It looks like IE8 won't help with the popup problem, but maybe someone else could confirm that. BB

BB

[RhinoBull]

Boops

Great solution. Does something similar exist for IE?

Spoo

I'm afraid not - pLugins are only workarounds that most often break something else... Solution has to come from those maintaining this site.
Few former colleagues of mine whom I introduced vbf few years ago said they won't come back until links removed or at least delays are gone.

All I could say was "sorry to hear that"...

[Spoo]

Rhino

OK, thanks for that.

Sadly, I'm in that same boat -- I have significantly reduced my
visits to the VBForums site owing to the delays.

Spoo

[Spoo]

BB

Thanks for the link to the article. Will read it when
I need to take a break.

Spoo

[Nightwalker83]

It lets you selectively allow and disallow scripts from various sources - see menu below.

Cool! I just installed the plug-in.

[visualAd]

I disagree, in Firefox, there are several plugins that allow me to control most of the crap on the Internet.

• NoScript
• Cookie Safe
• ADP
• And if all those fail, Greasemonkey.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The ads on this site are a disgrace, they dregrade the high quality of the content that the members post and they are implemented in a slapdash and covert fashion. Its not only the ads either, there are a whole host of scripts and coookies that run entirely for the purposes of tracking, watching and building up statistics; this makes things even slower.

[boops boops]

I disagree, in Firefox, there are several plugins that allow me to control most of the crap on the Internet.

• NoScript
• Cookie Safe
• ADP
• And if all those fail, Greasemonkey.

I would add FlashBlock to that list. It doesn't stop you watching Flash movies, but you click an arrow for them to start. That way you can skip all kinds of timewasting or distracting junk.

It suspect the reason IE doesn't support this kind of addon is that Microsoft is, like many other corporations, keen to win as large a share as possible of the Internet advertising market. That is what the Browser Wars have been about, after all. MS is less likely to allow options that stop users from being exposed to ads. I'm not sure if Mozilla Inc. is really noncommercial, but at least FireFox comes from another direction.

I suppose we are stuck with advertising. Personally I don't mind ads when they don't get in the way of content -- when they don't occupy too much of the screen, and they don't jiggle about constantly trying to grab the eye.

From this point of view, AdWords must be just about the worst idea ever. Most of the time the popups are unrelated to the highlighted words in any meaningful way, let alone to what people are likely to want. The result is much like spam: annoy a million people in the hope of catching the interest of one. It wouldn't surprise me if nothing has ever been sold as a result.

BB

[anhn]

I will be forced to run away from VBF if in the next day I cannot find a way to get rid of this on my browsers. Admin can ban me so it won't waste my time.

That script eats up to much time on loading, in some cases upto 10 seconds (particularly on threads with many posts) and then the warning message of FF or IE.

Only people with a very fast internet access and/or a very fast PC will not feel much of the pain.

Very annoyed. I don't think anyone will bother to read the pop-ups box when accidentally hover the mouse over the double underline keywords but just say StrReverse("!tihs") then close it and then raise the level of hate to internet.com in his heart.

A StrReverse("Diputs") adds!

[JPnyc]

I disagree, in Firefox, there are several plugins that allow me to control most of the crap on the Internet.

• NoScript
• Cookie Safe
• ADP
• And if all those fail, Greasemonkey.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The ads on this site are a disgrace, they dregrade the high quality of the content that the members post and they are implemented in a slapdash and covert fashion. Its not only the ads either, there are a whole host of scripts and coookies that run entirely for the purposes of tracking, watching and building up statistics; this makes things even slower.

So you would prefer the site were not here at all?

[Spoo]

JP

I don't think visualAd would prefer that, and I certainly would not
prefer that, but really...

How much revenue is being generated by this new set of ads?

I would imagine that the number is close to zero.
Hopefully it is just an experiment that will be discontinued soon.
And by soon, I mean before we lose people like anhn.

Spoo

[techgnome]

No... I don't think any one is saying that... I think what we're looking for is some consideration when making the site difficult to use. There's a script that's running as the page finishes its loading that causes the browser to lock up, and spike the CPU usage. Don't know if it's an ad, or if it's the adwords. It just seems coincidental that the problem started when the adwords showed up... so we're left to conclude that it's the adword script that's causing issues. The other issue that people seem to have is the ads have nothing to do with the words being highlighted. What does "internet" have to do with VS2010? Besides that I can download it over the internet. It would also be nice if they could be kept out of code blocks. I had an issue last night where I was trying to copy some code, and couldn't because several of the words in the code were ads, and when I was trying to get to the part I wanted to copy, the dang blasted ads kept popping up. If the ads are going to be kept, fine, but some one needs to do some debugging and some performance checks on the script that's running. There's a couple of threads, that cause the script to go nuts, forcing the browser to ask me if I want to terminate the script. That's bad.

-tg