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Lord Orwell, NeedSomeAnswers, PeteD AND Maven, What is it with this thread that brings back the lost?

The answer to your question,
And jesus?
god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............

god created every thing, and everyone (everything that surrounds you)
gods creation Thus, gods will.
When life begins, that tree, that child, that dog, this is gods will.
I am not in the mood to pick apart a 2000 year old quote that's been translated multiple times from other translations and was originally penned down by men to start with. But let's just say Jesus didn't have a human father. He still had a human mother. That means she created him. Maybe not alone, but God didn't do it alone either.

and if god created everything, why did he create cigarettes? A good view of utopia is humanity one with nature. This is what eden was supposed to be, although if you notice carefully in genesis it mentions more than once there were other humans around already. So if God created Eden, and gave it to man, why did he put the tree there in the first place, and why were snakes blamed? Yeah yeah i know: (the snake is satan) but that is a stretch by christians to try to show that the devil is mentioned in the old testament. The word "Satan" originally wasn't the name for the beast. It actually means someone working against god, and can be anyone. Thus the argument in Job. Yes, i have read the bible, both new and old testament, and there are a bunch of problems with both of them, not the least of which the old testament is a booklet on genocide and the new testament is a book of contradictions. Frankly the way the church edited it down, i'm surprised the fig tree made it in there because it showed Jesus was vindictive and had a temper. There was also another incident which comes to mind: The way he rampaged through the church overturning the gambling areas (which are still in churches disguised as bingo).