[Serious]Why are you not a believer of the existence of God

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If I were to start a thread and start saying that VB.NET is stupid, some VB.NET developers would get offended but some C# programmers will find it witty

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If all you said was that VB.Net was stupid then I doubt anyone would find it witty. If you were to crack one of your usual puns at the same time then it would be witty. I honestly can't see anything on his site that would constitute wit. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be allowed to offend, but if your only purpose is to offend then you are just plain offensive.

Comedy is a grey area because a great deal of comedy is offensive. I don't have a problem with that. But, in all honesty, I don't see anything on that guy's site that even comes close to humour.

No, that was my point, though implicit, I should've mentioned it. Insulting VB.NET with wit. Insult anything with wit. I did find it witty. You find it offensive.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

If all you said was that VB.Net was stupid then I doubt anyone would find it witty. If you were to crack one of your usual puns at the same time then it would be witty. I honestly can't see anything on his site that would constitute wit. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be allowed to offend, but if your only purpose is to offend then you are just plain offensive.

Comedy is a grey area because a great deal of comedy is offensive. I don't have a problem with that. But, in all honesty, I don't see anything on that guy's site that even comes close to humour.

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To be Witty, will usually be offensive to someone.

Constituting wit

To have one's wits about one is to be alert and capable of quick reasoning.

Witty remarks may be intentionally cruel (as in many epigrams), and perhaps more ingenious than funny.
A witticism also suggests the diminutive. Repartee is the wit of the quick answer and capping comment: the snappy comeback and neat retort.

Shakespeare, who admonished pretension with the phrase "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit". It may combine word play with conceptual thinking, as a kind of verbal display requiring attention, without intending to be laugh-aloud funny; in fact wit can be a thin disguise for more poignant feelings/opinions/truths that are being versified.

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Originally Posted by EntityX

5ms don't be so shy about posting in this thread and come on I know you can do better than 4 consecutive posts.

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EntityX, Sorry, I try!, and try!, try!, try!, and try again!, So So Sorry!:blush:,
I program in binary, and with only 3 keys (1,0,ENTER) on the keyboard, you would think it would be quicker, but it's not.
+ quick responses from Forum Members, and doing a little work :eek: in-between posts, will I do try.:D
+ I'm shy. ;)
+ I get,

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Originally Posted by mendhak

No, that was my point, though implicit, I should've mentioned it. Insulting VB.NET with wit. Insult anything with wit. I did find it witty. You find it offensive.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

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That's one of those new-fangled vb tags, isn't it? I refuse to change my programming ways. Line numbers haven't failed me yet.

I find the whole "this way is better" horrendously offensive

Some people believe that god exists(like me). Some know there is a god, just dosnt want to believe because they dont want to be juged for the way they are. They dont want to change themself. I KNOW there is a god. He has blessed me, and given me strength. I have seen his works in the world that he made. And on top of that, not one person ever alive has been able to find proof that counterdicks anything in the Bible. And nobody ever will. That right there would be more than enough proof to believe. But some people just dont want to change.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

I'm confused.




So I made My breath, and of My own free will.
I'm convinced! that someone great made My breath, that someone is (Me!).

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You did not create those, God has given them to you for you to use in your own discretion.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

C# is lame, to be a programmer you need to program in Assembly, and to be a rill programmer then you need to program in binary.

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I may argue with you about the existence of God but that one I just cannot disagree with. :)

What turns me off religion is the concept of worship. If there is a superior being that created everything, then despite what it has done, if it would actually want to be worshiped, then I have no respect for it.

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

That's one of those new-fangled vb tags, isn't it? I refuse to change my programming ways. Line numbers haven't failed me yet.

I find the whole "this way is better" horrendously offensive

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Lord Orwell, So So Sorry!
I didn't mean to Offend you.
And yes, I think:confused:, it's a vb tag

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Originally Posted by dee-u

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Originally Posted by 5ms?
I'm confused.




So I made My breath, and of My own free will.
I'm convinced! that someone great made My breath, that someone is (Me!).

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You did not create those, God has given them to you for you to use in your own discretion.

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1. The air inhaled and exhaled in respiration.
2. The act or process of breathing; respiration.
3. The capacity to breathe, especially in a natural and unlabored manner: shortness of breath.
4. Spirit or vitality; life.
5. A single respiration: a deep breath.
6. Exhaled air, as evidenced by vapor, odor, or heat.
7. A momentary pause or rest.
8.
a. A momentary stirring of air.
b. A slight gust of fragrant air.
9. A trace or suggestion: a breath of scandal.
10. A softly spoken sound; a whisper.
11. Linguistics Exhalation of air without vibration of the vocal cords

out of breath
Breathing with difficulty, as from exertion; gasping.

Breathing is the process that takes oxygen in and carbon dioxide out of the body. Aerobic organisms require oxygen to release energy via respiration, in the form of the metabolism of energy-rich molecules such as glucose. The medical term for normal relaxed breathing is eupnea.

Breathing is only part of the processes that deliver oxygen to where it is needed in the body and remove carbon dioxide. The process of gas exchange occurs in the alveoli by passive diffusion of gases between the alveolar gas and the blood passing by in the lung capillaries. Once these dissolved gases are in the blood, the heart powers their flow around the body (via the circulatory system).

In addition to removing carbon dioxide, breathing results in loss of water from the body. Exhaled air has a relative humidity of 100% because of water diffusing across the moist surface of breathing passages and alveoli.

In mammals, breathing in, or inhaling, is usually an active movement, with the contraction of the diaphragm muscle. This is known as negative pressure breathing. Normally, the diaphragm's relaxed position recoiled (decreasing the thoracic volume) whereas in the contracted position it is pulled downwards (increasing the thoracic volume). This process works in conjunction with the intercostal muscles connected to the rib cage. Contraction of these muscles lifts the rib cage, thus aiding in increasing the thoracic volume. Relaxation of the diaphragm compresses the lungs, effectively decreasing their volume while increasing the pressure inside them.
The intercostal muscles simultaneously relax, further decreasing the volume of the lungs. With a pathway to the mouth or nose clear, this increased pressure forces air out of the lungs. Conversely, contraction of the diaphragm increases the volume of the (partially empty) lungs, decreasing the pressure inside, which creates a partial vacuum. Environmental air then follows its pressure gradient down to fill the lungs.

I'm confused:confused:
Were does god come in to the breath???

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Originally Posted by Gamemaster1494

Some people believe that god exists(like me). Some know there is a god, just dosnt want to believe because they dont want to be juged for the way they are. They dont want to change themself. I KNOW there is a god. He has blessed me, and given me strength. I have seen his works in the world that he made. And on top of that, not one person ever alive has been able to find proof that counterdicks anything in the Bible. And nobody ever will. That right there would be more than enough proof to believe. But some people just dont want to change.

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Gamemaster1494, long time no see, good to see you.
But
This thread is for,

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[Serious]Why are you not a believer of the existence of God

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Not for, Why do you believe that god exists

I made this thread for the people that believe god exists([Not so Serious]Why do you believe that god exists )

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Originally Posted by AsmIscool

but that one I just cannot disagree with. :)

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You don't say agree,
But still that's just not right!

It's So So So Wrong!!!
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Originally Posted by EntityX

5ms don't be so shy about posting in this thread and come on I know you can do better than 4 consecutive posts.

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Ok?:D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now that's wit.:lol:

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

Now that's wit.:lol:

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Thank you.

Nonessential trivia: This thread is now up to 36th on the list of Chit Chat threads with the most replies.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

No......!
Because it's gods will, you have to do it, like dee-u says,

god's hand is evident in ever thing.
We do not have free will, we think We do, but We don't.
Even My breathing is not free will, it's gods will.

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So if I go kill someone then it was God's will that I do that? In other words "thou shalt not kill unless I tell you to"? How about if we take it 6,000,000 steps further and I'm Hitler. Did God make me do that?

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

Gamemaster1494, long time no see, good to see you.
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This thread is for,

Not for, Why do you believe that god exists

I made this thread for the people that believe god exists([Not so Serious]Why do you believe that god exists )

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oh. sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by PeteD

What turns me off religion is the concept of worship. If there is a superior being that created everything, then despite what it has done, if it would actually want to be worshiped, then I have no respect for it.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

Just when you think it's safe. Now I gotta go change my shorts!

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

You don't say agree,
But still that's just not right!

It's So So So Wrong!!!
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if(!asm & witch ==wooden) then OPTION EXPLICIT & burn the lot of them because they float.


Is that better?

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Originally Posted by AsmIscool

if(!asm & witch ==wooden) then OPTION EXPLICIT & burn the lot of them because they float.


Is that better?

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01100010 01100101 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010.:thumb:

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Originally Posted by Gamemaster1494

oh. sorry about that.

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Don't be sorry, I'm not.

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My mum died, I was told, god wonted her with him.
When someone doesn't die, they say god isn't ready for them.
Babies/ children, You did not create those, god did.

Thus If!!!! it's gods will, when life begins, or when the state that follows life ends(Death),
god created it, god terminated it,
Then it can not be your will, it's gods will!!!

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Originally Posted by MartinLiss

So if I go kill someone then it was God's will that I do that? In other words "thou shalt not kill unless I tell you to"? How about if we take it 6,000,000 steps further and I'm Hitler. Did God make me do that?

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So if You go kill someone then, must be gods will.
6,000,000+, must be gods will.
god is ready for them.

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Originally Posted by EntityX

Nonessential trivia: This thread is now up to 36th on the list of Chit Chat threads with the most replies.

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And is now up to 35th on the list of Chit Chat threads with the most Views.:cool:

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We have 5ms to thank for that.

i believe in god & jesus the trinity the virgin mary ect

i also believe that god created the universe and that it was done in 7 days...

i believe that god has a plan for everyone and i have felt it in my own life

i know where i am going when i die ... to heaven and i hope to see you all there someday


remember

jesus said

deny me here on earth ill deny you at the gates of heaven (not really in those words but you get the point)


i dont goto chuch like i should i dont pray as much as i should i smoke pot i cuss i drink but the beauty of it is that i can ask for forgivness

god gave us human will its up to you what you want to believe im not one to push religion on anyone the way i see it to each his own

but me ...i believe and always will jesus is my savior



but i do not think anyone is bad because of their beliefs


and if you have read the bible hell doesnt sound very fun to me id rather be in heaven

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Originally Posted by dee-u

It does seem that a lot of VBF members does not believe in God's existence and I am curious why.

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I personally believe in God.

I think some people who don't believe in God are looking for some kind of certainty, but it does not exist anywhere. Science is uncertain, mathematics is uncertain, religion is uncertain, and life is uncertain. Uncertainty is a fact of life, but many people struggle to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stallings

i believe in god & jesus the trinity the virgin mary ect

i also believe that god created the universe and that it was done in 7 days...

i believe that god has a plan for everyone and i have felt it in my own life

i know where i am going when i die ... to heaven and i hope to see you all there someday


remember

jesus said

deny me here on earth ill deny you at the gates of heaven (not really in those words but you get the point)


i dont goto chuch like i should i dont pray as much as i should i smoke pot i cuss i drink but the beauty of it is that i can ask for forgivness

god gave us human will its up to you what you want to believe im not one to push religion on anyone the way i see it to each his own

but me ...i believe and always will jesus is my savior



but i do not think anyone is bad because of their beliefs


and if you have read the bible hell doesnt sound very fun to me id rather be in heaven

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That's odd, I have heard people say such things in the Middle-East, but about a completely different prophet.

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Originally Posted by dee-u

We have 5ms to thank for that.

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To dee-u, and all Members,
You're welcome. :blush:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Have a nice day.

Regards 5ms.
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I think some people who don't believe in God are looking for some kind of certainty, but it does not exist anywhere

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I would have said the opposite, those who believe in God are often looking for some kind of Certainty, as Religion is has been fairly unchanging in its core beliefs for 2000 odd years.

Science is uncertain and some people struggle with the fact that somethings are not written in stone but change with our level of understanding.

Also Science allow us to challenge its theories and concepts and refine them and even debunk them and replace them with new theories as our knowledge expands.

Religion does not allow this, its beliefs and concept are not up for discussion they have been written therefore they are.

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Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers

I would have said the opposite, those who believe in God are often looking for some kind of Certainty, as Religion is has been fairly unchanging in its core beliefs for 2000 odd years.

Science is uncertain and some people struggle with the fact that somethings are not written in stone but change with our level of understanding.

Also Science allow us to challenge its theories and concepts and refine them and even debunk them and replace them with new theories as our knowledge expands.

Religion does not allow this, its beliefs and concept are not up for discussion they have been written therefore they are.

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Well said

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Originally Posted by Maven

I personally believe in God.

I think some people who don't believe in God are looking for some kind of certainty, but it does not exist anywhere. Science is uncertain, mathematics is uncertain, religion is uncertain, and life is uncertain. Uncertainty is a fact of life, but many people struggle to deal with it.

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It's good to know that Doctor Evil believes in God.

the catholic diefication and sainthood stuff particularly annoys me. Is it up to humans to determine who gets in heaven? Excommunication is another fun topic. "don't let him in heaven god. we don't want him there"

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

Is it up to humans to determine who gets in heaven? Excommunication is another fun topic. "don't let him in heaven god. we don't want him there"

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I'm a saint, but I don't want to be there. :down:

god:duck: annoys me. :down:

PeteD AND Maven? What is it with this thread that brings back the lost?

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

the catholic diefication and sainthood stuff particularly annoys me. Is it up to humans to determine who gets in heaven? Excommunication is another fun topic. "don't let him in heaven god. we don't want him there"

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Those are not based on the Bible so I don't believe in those things also.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

My mum died, I was told, god wonted her with him.
When someone doesn't die, they say god isn't ready for them.
Babies/ children, You did not create those, god did.

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So what you are saying, babies don't have mothers and fathers? Because i am fairly certain that if i never have sex, i won't have a child.

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I would have said the opposite, those who believe in God are often looking for some kind of Certainty, as Religion is has been fairly unchanging in its core beliefs for 2000 odd years.

Science allow us to challenge its theories and concepts and refine them and even debunk them and replace them with new theories as our knowledge expands.

Religion does not allow this, its beliefs and concept are not up for discussion they have been written therefore they are.

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The church used to swear we are the center of creation. It no longer does that as Galileo proved different (he was excommunicated by the way).

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Originally Posted by dee-u

Those are not based on the Bible so I don't believe in those things also.

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most catholic doctorines are made up. That doesn't stop them being enforced every sunday.
I would also add, that if someone were to read a catholic bible, they would find books that aren't in the other versions. There is a lot of teachings from the years of jesus, and a whole lot of them just never made entry into the bible. The King James version left out books that God wasn't mentioned in, lowering the book count by 4. There are also other gospels that were never included because they differed too much from the view the church wanted people to have of christianity and Jesus in general. And the book they left in: Romans, is really telling of how they did it. "we don't want the religion to be inaccessible by non-hebrews, so we'll leave out this and this. A smaller tithe will help, etc." Original teaching? Give EVERYTHING to the church and work for it. If you really think about that though, if every single person in the world did this, they would all starve to death because no one would actualy be working and no one would be left to mooch off of. It was exactly like a pyramid scheme when it first started.

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The church used to swear we are the center of creation. It no longer does that as Galileo proved different (he was excommunicated by the way).

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At the time Galileo came out with his theories he was denounced by the church and told to recant his views.

When he then wrote another book further expanding on the Heliocentric view of universe he was handed over to the inquisition, found suspect of heresy and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. During that time the church also banned his book on the subject.

It was only much later that the church dropped its opposition to the Heliocentric view of the universe.

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Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers

I would have said the opposite, those who believe in God are often looking for some kind of Certainty, as Religion is has been fairly unchanging in its core beliefs for 2000 odd years.

Science is uncertain and some people struggle with the fact that somethings are not written in stone but change with our level of understanding.

Also Science allow us to challenge its theories and concepts and refine them and even debunk them and replace them with new theories as our knowledge expands.

Religion does not allow this, its beliefs and concept are not up for discussion they have been written therefore they are.

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Well I disagree because most nonreligious people continuously rattle on about proof of God, but most religious people take God upon faith. Without absolute certainty, some people cannot believe in God.

As for religion, I find religion to be very dangerous.

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Well I disagree because most nonreligious people continuously rattle on about proof of God, but most religious people take God upon faith.

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That doesn't really make sense, you seem to be saying that because non religious people want evidence before making a decision that means that they need things to be certain and stay the same, and in effect not change.

One of the big things about Science is that it embraces change, not change for changes sake, but where evidence can be produced or debunked.

You seem to be saying because this way of thinking requires evidence then it needs certainty, where as if you were to speak to most scientists i would bet that they would say that in reality what they are certain about today they may not be tomorrow.

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Without absolute certainty, some people cannot believe in God.

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But Faith implies that you believe in God with absolute certainty and without questioning.

Not believing in god does not require absolute certainty it just requires you to have doubts about religion which makes you question them and ask for some evidence as to why you should believe these things.

It always difficult to disprove something like the existence of God which has no physical presence, but equally if i asked you to disprove that the Universe was created by Aliens and is in fact a giant science experiment you would also have difficulty.

Lord Orwell, NeedSomeAnswers, PeteD AND Maven, What is it with this thread that brings back the lost?

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

So what you are saying, babies don't have mothers and fathers? Because i am fairly certain that if i never have sex, i won't have a child.

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The answer to your question,
And jesus?
god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............

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Originally Posted by dee-u

How about everything that surrounds you? How about your breath? Are these things not convincing enough that someone great has made all of them?

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god created every thing, and everyone (everything that surrounds you)
gods creation Thus, gods will.
When life begins, that tree, that child, that dog, this is gods will.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

Thus If!!!! it's gods will, when life begins, or when the state that follows life ends(Death),
god created it, god terminated it,
Then it can not be your will, it's gods will!!!

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A Absolute Certainty

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

The answer to your question,

god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............
And jesus.

god created every thing, and everyone (everything that surrounds you)
gods creation Thus, gods will.
When life begins, that tree, that child, that dog, this is gods will.

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If You believe in God, You Have Absolute Certainty

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

A Absolute Certainty




If You believe in God, You Have Absolute Certainty

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Don't confuse belief with knowledge.

belief:
a state of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some think, especially when based on examination of evidence.
something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group.


knowledge:
the fact or condition of being aware of something
the range of one's information or understanding.
the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association.
the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning.


How is Knowing,
god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............
And jesus,
confusing belief with knowledge.?

It is interesting to see that 5ms has learned how to use formatting over the course of this discussion. First it was just text. Then it was BOLD text, then it was RED text. What will be next?

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Originally Posted by penagate

Don't confuse belief with knowledge.

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Do you believe your knowledge?

From Wikipedia,
Belief propagation

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Belief propagation is a message passing algorithm for performing inference on graphical models, such as Bayesian networks and Markov random fields. It is an inherently Bayesian procedure, which calculates the marginal distribution for each unobserved node, conditional on any observed nodes. Belief propagation is commonly used in artificial intelligence and information theory and has demonstrated empirical success in numerous applications including low-density parity-check codes, turbo codes, free energy approximation, and satisfiability.

The algorithm was first proposed by Judea Pearl in 1982,[1] who formulated this algorithm on trees, and was later extended to polytrees.[2] It has since been shown to be a useful approximate algorithm on general graphs.[3]

If X=(Xv) is a set of discrete random variables with a joint mass function p, the marginal distribution of a single Xi is simply the summation of p over all other variables:http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/c...c3d0cdfb87.png

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It is interesting to see that 5ms has learned how to use formatting over the course of this discussion. First it was just text. Then it was BOLD text, then it was RED text. What will be next?

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Italics, it should be next. And next is the Underline.

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How is Knowing,
god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............
And jesus,
confusing belief with knowledge.?

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Mainly because to really know that god created everything you would practically have to be God otherwise how can you know !

...were as to just believe that God created everything, well humans have shown that they are certainly capable of belief !

Are you claiming to be a God or the God ?

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Originally Posted by dee-u

Italics, it should be next. And next is the Underline.

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Been there dun that.

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Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers

Mainly because to really know that god created everything you would practically have to be God otherwise how can you know !

...were as to just believe that God created everything, well humans have shown that they are certainly capable of belief !

Are you claiming to be a God or the God ?

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I'm not claiming to be a God or the God.
I am GOD !

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Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers

Mainly because to really know that god created everything you would practically have to be God otherwise how can you know !

...were as to just believe that God created everything, well humans have shown that they are certainly capable of belief !

Are you claiming to be a God or the God ?

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I personally believe that we are all gods. I also believe that we are all potentially God(The masters like Christ and Krishna are realized God). So if we keep on developing and expanding we can eventually realize our true nature. When we do we no longer will need to believe in God's existence. We will know for certain that God exists. We'll be more certain of that existence than we are now of our physical existence. If you asks me to elaborate I don't know if I will though. You could go on trying to argue your point forever and not make much headway trying to convince someone else of something. I think it's better to keep the bulk of your efforts trying to improve yourself and not waste too much effort trying to convert someone else to your own convictions.

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I personally believe that we are all gods. I also believe that we are all potentially God(The masters like Christ and Krishna are realized God). So if we keep on developing and expanding we can eventually realize our true nature. When we do we no longer will need to believe in God's existence. We will know for certain that God exists. We'll be more certain of that existence than we are now of our physical existence. If you asks me to elaborate I don't know if I will though. You could go on trying to argue your point forever and not make much headway trying to convince someone else of something. I think it's better to keep the bulk of your efforts trying to improve yourself and not waste too much effort trying to convert someone else to your own convictions.

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even if someone doesn't believe in a diety, this is a great way to live. I personally try to do right with people, and better myself. I don't think i'm heading to Nirvana or anything like that, but in general, people like me better than they used to.

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

Do you believe your knowledge?

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I believe there is no knowledge.

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Originally Posted by penagate

I believe there is no knowledge.

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¿Do you believe you have no knowledge?
I have knowledge.;)

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Originally Posted by 5ms?

Lord Orwell, NeedSomeAnswers, PeteD AND Maven, What is it with this thread that brings back the lost?

The answer to your question,
And jesus?
god created every thing, you, me, your child, that tree, that rock.............

god created every thing, and everyone (everything that surrounds you)
gods creation Thus, gods will.
When life begins, that tree, that child, that dog, this is gods will.

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I am not in the mood to pick apart a 2000 year old quote that's been translated multiple times from other translations and was originally penned down by men to start with. But let's just say Jesus didn't have a human father. He still had a human mother. That means she created him. Maybe not alone, but God didn't do it alone either.

and if god created everything, why did he create cigarettes? A good view of utopia is humanity one with nature. This is what eden was supposed to be, although if you notice carefully in genesis it mentions more than once there were other humans around already. So if God created Eden, and gave it to man, why did he put the tree there in the first place, and why were snakes blamed? Yeah yeah i know: (the snake is satan) but that is a stretch by christians to try to show that the devil is mentioned in the old testament. The word "Satan" originally wasn't the name for the beast. It actually means someone working against god, and can be anyone. Thus the argument in Job. Yes, i have read the bible, both new and old testament, and there are a bunch of problems with both of them, not the least of which the old testament is a booklet on genocide and the new testament is a book of contradictions. Frankly the way the church edited it down, i'm surprised the fig tree made it in there because it showed Jesus was vindictive and had a temper. There was also another incident which comes to mind: The way he rampaged through the church overturning the gambling areas (which are still in churches disguised as bingo).

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

I am not in the mood to pick apart a 2000 year old quote that's been translated multiple times from other translations and was originally penned down by men to start with. But let's just say Jesus didn't have a human father. He still had a human mother. That means she created him. Maybe not alone, but God didn't do it alone either.

and if god created everything, why did he create cigarettes? A good view of utopia is humanity one with nature. This is what eden was supposed to be, although if you notice carefully in genesis it mentions more than once there were other humans around already. So if God created Eden, and gave it to man, why did he put the tree there in the first place, and why were snakes blamed? Yeah yeah i know: (the snake is satan) but that is a stretch by christians to try to show that the devil is mentioned in the old testament. The word "Satan" originally wasn't the name for the beast. It actually means someone working against god, and can be anyone. Thus the argument in Job. Yes, i have read the bible, both new and old testament, and there are a bunch of problems with both of them, not the least of which the old testament is a booklet on genocide and the new testament is a book of contradictions. Frankly the way the church edited it down, i'm surprised the fig tree made it in there because it showed Jesus was vindictive and had a temper. There was also another incident which comes to mind: The way he rampaged through the church overturning the gambling areas (which are still in churches disguised as bingo).

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God did not create the cigarette, humans made them out of the creations of God, same thing as He did not create Nuclear bombs, etc. And reading the Bible doesn't necessarily mean we understand it.

the only real point i was trying to make above was all bibles are written by the hand of man, and that particular one, even if inspired by the hand of god, has since been rewritten numerous times. google king james shakespear. It's a really odd coincidence if it is a coincidence, especially considering shakespear wasn't supposed to be a real person.

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Originally Posted by Lord Orwell

why did he create cigarettes?

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he likes a Faag now and again.:D