Post election prediction

[sapator]

Until proven otherwise when he has to fight again, he is a male. Like it or not and don't play it a geneticist cuz you ain't one. I root for all the woman he was punching wrongfully. Do you also root for that given the circumstances that he is probably male?

[PlausiblyDamp]

Until proven otherwise when he has to fight again, he is a male. Like it or not and don't play it a geneticist cuz you ain't one. I root for all the woman he was punching wrongfully. Do you also root for that given the circumstances that he is probably male?

I might not be a geneticist, but neither are you. Swyer syndrome is documented well enough for anyone who can spend a few minutes looking can find what it is and that people who suffer from it are genetically female.

She is a woman, your refusal to accepts well understood biology either makes you wilfully ignorant or a troll. Your failure to understand genetics doesn't make genetics wrong.

[sapator]

So you say but the test proven he is a man. You wilfully ignorant or a troll telling the same thing that you are willing to believe without proof, the latest proof is that he is a man.

Let me ask something else.

How many genders in Human?

[PlausiblyDamp]

So you say but the test proven he is a man. You wilfully ignorant or a troll telling the same thing that you are willing to believe without proof, the latest proof is that he is a man.

No it hasn't - it has proven she has the XY chromosome typically associated with being male, but it isn't exclusively so. This has been explained to you repeatedly on here, links have been provided that also explain this.

I will say this once more. Swyers syndrome.

Let me ask something else.

How many genders in Human?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5824932/
https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are...rs/article.htm

[sapator]

I asked a direct question, I don't need to look at the links.

How many genders in Human?

[PlausiblyDamp]

I asked a direct question, I don't need to look at the links.

How many genders in Human?

72 genders

[sapator]

Cool.
Nothing more to talk about woke boy. And it's not meant as insult this is the exact WOKE agenda.

[TysonLPrice]

72 genders

I always thought the answer was 42...so I asked ChatGPT

Gender refers to identity, roles, and expression, not just anatomy. In this context, there are more than just two genders.

Common examples include:

Cisgender male/female (gender matches biological sex)

Transgender male/female

Non-binary

Genderqueer

Agender (no gender)

Bigender, Two-Spirit (in some Indigenous cultures), and more

[PlausiblyDamp]

Cool.
Nothing more to talk about woke boy. And it's not meant as insult this is the exact WOKE agenda.

Your inability to understand things does not deny the existence of them. Your refusal to understand biology does not mean the people who do are Woke - it means you do not understand and they do.

If you say gender when you mean biological sex then say what you mean. If you refuse to read links that actually explain things but then refer to the daily mail you are choosing to be ignorant.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
https://www.simplypsychology.org/sex-gender.html


If the "WOKE agenda" means understanding things and basing your choices on knowledge then I am definitely woke.

[TysonLPrice]

Trump orders investigation into alleged cover-up of Biden’s decline...

Typical, look over here, not at what I am doing to the economy.

[sapator]

Your inability to understand things does not deny the existence of them. Your refusal to understand biology does not mean the people who do are Woke - it means you do not understand and they do.

If you say gender when you mean biological sex then say what you mean. If you refuse to read links that actually explain things but then refer to the daily mail you are choosing to be ignorant.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1
https://www.simplypsychology.org/sex-gender.html


If the "WOKE agenda" means understanding things and basing your choices on knowledge then I am definitely woke.

WOKE and Bigender, Two-Spirit I should say.

[Shaggy Hiker]

So you say but the test proven he is a man. ?

Not really. The test showed that they had an XY chromosome. To say that makes them a man is moving the goal posts. In the legal fights over gender identity in the US, the right is saying that your gender is whatever was on your birth certificate. Since that doesn't take into account chromosomes, but only physical characteristics, she would have been labeled a female by the right wing. Only later was it found that she had a Y chromosome, but according to the laws they are passing, she is a woman.

So, the right (who are the only ones really fighting about this, because the progressive position is to allow more fluidity) is attempting to say, "it is what we say it is until we say it isn't, then it isn't what we said it was, and the laws we pass don't apply in this case because those laws were passed in ignorance of the facts except when the facts don't agree with our opinions."

This is the point I tried to make to Niya a few years ago: This whole discussion of gender is based on having only a superficial understanding of biology and genetics. The more you know about it, the more it becomes obvious that gender can't possibly be anything other than a bimodal distribution curve. The chemistry says it's not binary. Genetics says it can't be binary. Reality supports both points (hermaphrodites were known even before genes were known). The rest is just ideology.

[wes4dbt]

Once again, anti-woke turns out to be just another term for ignorant.

We've just been shown that it's much worse than ignorance for some anti-woke people. We are all ignorant about a vast number of things. But someone that actively works at remaining ignorant when knowledge is presented to them has a much worse problem. That type of mentality has no honesty guiding it.

[wes4dbt]

Wrong and wrong
You can read if you are interested in the truth.

"'Imane Khelif may not participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup, 5-10 June 2025 and any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes genetic sex screening in accordance with World Boxing’s rules and testing procedures,' the letter read."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ne-Khelif.html

So it is ongoing and if he does not pass he must give back the medals. Will see.

This is not what you claimed.

You said,

Well the analysis said male.

That's wrong. The analysis said she has XY chromosomes.

Then you said,

Now he must give all the medals back and apologies to every women athlete that hurt and possible created psychological issues by cheating.

That's also clearly wrong. There has been not such ruling and has not been directed to give back any medals.

[Niya]

He was a man pretending to be a woman.

I don't get what you say on any of the other stuff.

Don't waste your time with this. I've engaged with these gender people quite a bit on Twitter, trying to understand this stuff to no avail. I've read all I could stand on this subject the only thing I learned is that it's absolutely nuts. It's almost cult-like. Don't try to understand it. It doesn't make any sense. It relies on circular definitions, wild subjective speculations, pseudoscience, and linguistic gymnastics. I have NEVER read anything substantive about this topic, nothing that could be considered a solid foundation for this belief system. It's all smoke and mirrors.

No one I know takes this stuff seriously, not even people I meet who live abroad. It seems to be confined to the political and intellectual upper classes of Anglosphere nations(US, UK, Austrailier, Canada) and their allies as well as the entertainment industry. Before Trump and Elon got their divorce, one of the things they did was to dismantle USAID so we don't have to worry about them pushing that stuff in our countries for the foreseeable future.

My advice to you is to not engage with this at all. Don't try to understand it. Don't try to debate it. Just leave it alone. Treat it like Flat Earth theory. When people start droning on about it, just nod in approval and try to change the subject or exit the conversation. This will die out eventually. Just give it time.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Don't waste your time with this. I've engaged with these gender people quite a bit on Twitter, trying to understand this stuff to no avail. I've read all I could stand on this subject the only thing I learned is that it's absolutely nuts. It's almost cult-like. Don't try to understand it. It doesn't make any sense. It relies on circular definitions, wild subjective speculations, pseudoscience, and linguistic gymnastics. I have NEVER read anything substantive about this topic, nothing that could be considered a solid foundation for this belief system. It's all smoke and mirrors.

No one I know takes this stuff seriously, not even people I meet who live abroad. It seems to be confined to the political and intellectual upper classes of Anglosphere nations(US, UK, Austrailier, Canada) and their allies as well as the entertainment industry. Before Trump and Elon got their divorce, one of the things they did was to dismantle USAID so we don't have to worry about them pushing that stuff in our countries for the foreseeable future.

My advice to you is to not engage with this at all. Don't try to understand it. Don't try to debate it. Just leave it alone. Treat it like Flat Earth theory. When people start droning on about it, just nod in approval and try to change the subject or exit the conversation. This will die out eventually. Just give it time.

You replied to a post of Sapator's claiming she was a man pretending to be a woman, then claimed you can't convince people they are wrong.

She is a woman, that is a biological, legal, and scientific fact. Just because you don't seem to believe this doesn't mean science is wrong. Females can be XY, not common but it happens. To be denying the science and then claiming that people who believe the science is the same as flat-earthers is absolute insanity. Science proves the earth isn't flat, science proves that females can be XY.

[Niya]

Females can be XY

Right....


Anyways, I meant what I said. This stuff shouldn't be engaged with. Let's talk about something else.

Elon and Trump's divorce is trending as well as Kash Patel's appearance on Joe Rogan. What do youu guys think about those things?

[dilettante]

I'm not sure anyone even accepts or believes this gender-multiplicity stuff. It's just a vain attempt to try to reinforce the Culture Bubble that they stubbornly insist on living within.

The "crazy" is ramping up again now as the health impacts of the mRNA "vaccines" and other COVID vaccine formulations are investigated further.

I expect another round of tub-thumping on the "January 6th" mythology soon as well.

James Carville continues to amuse. His severe case of political heartburn combined with constipation has led to even more hilarious cud-chewing and sputtering than normal. He's convinced that policies aren't the problem, and instead pushes changes in marketing to hoodwink sheep back into the DNC Corral. There is so much moral bankruptcy on exhibit that it is shocking.

Facts will not change minds.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Right....

And that is the same level of denial as a flat-earther. Swyers Syndrome, simple as that - a scientific and biological condition in which a female has XY chromosomes. If you do not believe that, then that is on you - but the science isn't bothered by your belief system.


Anyways, I meant what I said. This stuff shouldn't be engaged with. Let's talk about something else.

Elon and Trump's divorce is trending as well as Kash Patel's appearance on Joe Rogan. What do youu guys think about those things?[/QUOTE]

[Niya]

I'm not sure anyone even accepts or believes this gender-multiplicity stuff. It's just a vain attempt to try to reinforce the Culture Bubble that they stubbornly insist on living within.

Precisely.

And that is the same level of denial as a flat-earther. Swyers Syndrome, simple as that - a scientific and biological condition in which a female has XY chromosomes. If you do not believe that, then that is on you - but the science isn't bothered by your belief system.

You'd have an easier time convincing me to eat glass. Let it go man.

[Niya]

Trump and Elon. I'm surprise this thread isn't flooded with thoughts on this by now. What's going on guys? Get cracking!

[PlausiblyDamp]

Precisely.



You'd have an easier time convincing me to eat glass. Let it go man.

So you believe science when you agree with it, but not when twitter disagrees with it.

You are a lost cause.

[Niya]

You are a lost cause.

[dilettante]

Th good news is that much of America never ran afoul of cultural recto-cranial inversion.

Young people are showing a lot of hope:

[wes4dbt]

You'd have an easier time convincing me to eat glass.

That would be easy. Just post on social media that liberals claim it's harmful to eat glass.

[sapator]

Don't waste your time with this. I've engaged with these gender people quite a bit on Twitter, trying to understand this stuff to no avail. I've read all I could stand on this subject the only thing I learned is that it's absolutely nuts. It's almost cult-like. Don't try to understand it. It doesn't make any sense. It relies on circular definitions, wild subjective speculations, pseudoscience, and linguistic gymnastics. I have NEVER read anything substantive about this topic, nothing that could be considered a solid foundation for this belief system. It's all smoke and mirrors.

No one I know takes this stuff seriously, not even people I meet who live abroad. It seems to be confined to the political and intellectual upper classes of Anglosphere nations(US, UK, Austrailier, Canada) and their allies as well as the entertainment industry. Before Trump and Elon got their divorce, one of the things they did was to dismantle USAID so we don't have to worry about them pushing that stuff in our countries for the foreseeable future.

My advice to you is to not engage with this at all. Don't try to understand it. Don't try to debate it. Just leave it alone. Treat it like Flat Earth theory. When people start droning on about it, just nod in approval and try to change the subject or exit the conversation. This will die out eventually. Just give it time.

Don't worry the serious conversation ended with the number 72.
And idiotic reproductions if it.
Although I did enjoy Bigender, Two-Spirit .

If someone wants to be a mermaid I will not deny the right same if someone believe earth is flat.
Also woke boys screaming reaaaddd the docummeeennttt! reaaaaddd eeemmm! Someone must inform them we don't read woke documents.
After that it was as case of never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
So I got better thing to do like getting ready for the vacations. Today it was my first swim the sea was dead cold I felt like woke 65.

[Niya]

That would be easy. Just post on social media that liberals claim it's harmful to eat glass.

We'd be sharing a plate if Trump said the same thing.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Don't worry the serious conversation ended with the number 72.
And idiotic reproductions if it.
Although I did enjoy Bigender, Two-Spirit .

If someone wants to be a mermaid I will not deny the right same if someone believe earth is flat.
Also woke boys screaming reaaaddd the docummeeennttt! reaaaaddd eeemmm! Someone must inform them we don't read woke documents.

You had already refused to believe that a female could be XY (despite factual scientific evidence to the contrary), so you had effectively abandoned the conversation before the topic of how many genders was raised anyway.

So scientific articles and facts are now "woke documents"? Wow, good to see both you and Niya are now openly admitting to being science deniers if the science doesn't agree with your own personal beliefs and agendas.

[wes4dbt]

We'd be sharing a plate if Trump said the same thing.

No. Not because I believe Trump but because I'd research the facts to make my decision.

[wes4dbt]

So scientific articles and facts are now "woke documents"?

Don't you wonder how a person knows a scientific document is "woke" if they don't read it???

Someone must inform them we don't read woke documents.

[wes4dbt]

Trump and Elon. I'm surprise this thread isn't flooded with thoughts on this by now. What's going on guys? Get cracking!

No real thoughts on it but watching them trash each other is a win win for people like me that don't like either one.

[Niya]

Also woke boys screaming reaaaddd the docummeeennttt! reaaaaddd eeemmm! Someone must inform them we don't read woke documents.

Yea, when people start screaming about science, then you really have to be skepical of this because it's usually nonsense dressed up in the language of academics. Also, you should know that woke leftist lunatics aren't the first to do this. Science has historically been co-opted many times to serve the prevailing ideological beliefs of the day. It was used to justify slavery, Nazism, segragation etc.

As a matter of fact, just last week someone hit me with this! I stumbled into a thread of Twitter filled far right morons, David Duke/Andrew Anglin neo-Nazi types. They were all jerking each other off about how superior they are on account of being white. I poked at them a bit. It didn't take long for....well see for yourself:-


I'm the one with the X in the orange circle.

They are very quick to jump to science to prop up their racist nonsense. Notice where he said "biological differences between the races". Whenever you see that phrase, it's actually a white supremacist dog whistle. It typically refers to a large body of "scientific" literature, written by various people throughout history. These works include Mein Kampf, Types of Mankind and various contributions written by respected scientists, philosophers and academics such as Charles Darwin, Thomas Jefferson, Mahatma Gandhi and some lesser known names like Robert Boyle and Charles White.

As great as some of these men were, they also wrote a lot of racist garbage and called it science and to this day that nonsense is used to prop up Nazi ideology. Out of this "science" was born garbage like the Great Replacement Theory, a rabid dogmatic hatred about "race mixing" and a whole lot of other far-right rubbish.

So yea, when people start using science to justify some bizarre belief that has nothing to do with science, be VERY VERY skeptical. They might be a woke leftist trying to sell some radical new gender theory, or it might be some far right lunatic trying to convince you that you're destroying the genetic purity of the white race by race mixing.

[Niya]

watching them trash each other is a win win for people like me

So wait, you want your country to fail that badly? I don't know about you, but when my party loses an election, I hope and pray that the winning party succeeds because I am the one who suffers if they don't. You have to be a special brand of person to cheer for the failure of your own government just because you don't like the guy leading it.

[wes4dbt]

So wait, you want your country to fail that badly? I don't know about you, but when my party loses an election, I hope and pray that the winning party succeeds because I am the one who suffers if they don't. You have to be a special brand of person to cheer for the failure of your own government just because you don't like the guy leading it.

Your dishonesty about my post is true to form. I never said anything about wanting anyone to fail. Typical Niya.

[Niya]

Your dishonesty about my post is true to form. I never said anything about wanting anyone to fail. Typical Niya.

You're accusing me of dishonesty? What in God's name are you even talking about? Are you trolling or something? How is it possible to misunderstand something this simple?

Let us examine this matter step by step. You described the situation as a "win-win," specifically in reference to the ongoing conflict between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. However, it is important to consider the broader implications of such a dispute.

Donald Trump was elected to the office of the President to serve the American people. In turn, he appointed Elon Musk to contribute to that mission. Any deterioration in their professional relationship is likely to hinder the President’s ability to carry out his responsibilities—responsibilities that are ultimately intended to benefit you, the American citizen.

Whether one agrees with their policies or actions is not the central issue. The fact remains that both individuals currently hold positions of significant influence. A conflict between them cannot reasonably be considered a “win-win.” Time and energy spent on personal disputes inevitably detract from their capacity to serve the public interest.

You may not support Donald Trump. You may not support Elon Musk. That is entirely within your rights. However, the reality is that Donald Trump will serve as President for the next four years. In that context, it is in the best interest of every American that those in leadership succeed in fulfilling their duties, regardless of one's personal views or political preferences.

Therefore, when you characterize this situation as a "win-win," the only reasonable inference is that you would prefer to see Trump fail. But a failure in leadership does not occur in a vacuum—it has real consequences for the American people. That suggests a willingness to see your fellow citizens suffer simply so that you may claim vindication. It gives the impression that being proven right about Donald Trump matters more to you than the well-being of your own country. Frankly, I find that mindset very disturbing.

[wes4dbt]

You're accusing me of dishonesty? What in God's name are you even talking about? Are you trolling or something? How is it possible to misunderstand something this simple?

Let us examine this matter step by step. You described the situation as a "win-win," specifically in reference to the ongoing conflict between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. However, it is important to consider the broader implications of such a dispute.

Donald Trump was elected to the office of the President to serve the American people. In turn, he appointed Elon Musk to contribute to that mission. Any deterioration in their professional relationship is likely to hinder the President’s ability to carry out his responsibilities—responsibilities that are ultimately intended to benefit you, the American citizen.

Whether one agrees with their policies or actions is not the central issue. The fact remains that both individuals currently hold positions of significant influence. A conflict between them cannot reasonably be considered a “win-win.” Time and energy spent on personal disputes inevitably detract from their capacity to serve the public interest.

You may not support Donald Trump. You may not support Elon Musk. That is entirely within your rights. However, the reality is that Donald Trump will serve as President for the next four years. In that context, it is in the best interest of every American that those in leadership succeed in fulfilling their duties, regardless of one's personal views or political preferences.

Therefore, when you characterize this situation as a "win-win," the only reasonable inference is that you would prefer to see Trump fail. But a failure in leadership does not occur in a vacuum—it has real consequences for the American people. That suggests a willingness to see your fellow citizens suffer simply so that you may claim vindication. It gives the impression that being proven right about Donald Trump matters more to you than the well-being of your own country. Frankly, I find that mindset very disturbing.

Again true to form. A long song and dance in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for his dishonesty. The fact remains, I didn't say I wanted either of them to fail. I never inferred it, that's all on you. Typical Niya.

[dilettante]

Congress needs to address the matter of revoking Statehood. Then once the California Territory is reorganized they can consider gradually admitting parts of it as separate States.

Between the rampant lawlessness and abuse of Federal funding the place is obviously unfit to continue this way any longer. Maybe the Red Cross can send in teams of mental health workers to address the dire need?

[wes4dbt]

Congress needs to address the matter of revoking Statehood. Then once the California Territory is reorganized they can consider gradually admitting parts of it as separate States.

Between the rampant lawlessness and abuse of Federal funding the place is obviously unfit to continue this way any longer. Maybe the Red Cross can send in teams of mental health workers to address the dire need?

What makes you think we would want to rejoin???

The nation of California has a nice ring to it.

[Niya]

Again true to form. A long song and dance in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for his dishonesty.

Bla bla bla....

The fact remains, I didn't say I wanted either of them to fail. I never inferred it, that's all on you. Typical Niya.

You hate Trump more than you love your own country. That much is clear. There's no wiggle room for any other interpretation of your words.

[wes4dbt]

Bla bla bla....



You hate Trump more than you love your own country. That much is clear. There's no wiggle room for any other interpretation of your words.

You've decided to switch to claiming your projections are facts. Now my dislike of Trump has to be hate. Not surprising to see you continuing your misrepresentation of what I've said. Considering you've never bothered to even ask what I meant by "win win". Obviously you were never interested in a honest interpretation. Also, not surprising. Just more typical Niya.