Post election prediction

[dilettante]

As far as I can tell the biggest gripe is that things are now being done as the system was designed to do them, instead of by large numbers of faceless bloated Politburos spending vast appropriations with no oversight or transparency. Maybe even worse, the revelations as to what the funds were being spent on.

[wes4dbt]

As far as I can tell the biggest gripe is that things are now being done as the system was designed to do them, instead of by large numbers of faceless bloated Politburos spending vast appropriations with no oversight or transparency. Maybe even worse, the revelations as to what the funds were being spent on.

Do you mean the $50 million for condoms for Gaza and 10 million dead people receiving social security and Ukraine starting the war?

No, the peoples "gripe" is the lies. Plus Trump eliminating multiple oversight agencies, eliminating aid to truly desperate people in impoverished nations and abandoning our allies.

[Niya]

Equality is a nice goal

It always amazes me that white liberals can't see how patronizing, dehumanizing, and insulting modern DEI ideologues really are. It makes me sick to my stomach. They are the most racist people I have ever seen. DEI was the thing that first opened my eyes to how warped progressives have become, though it wasn't always called DEI.

Don't get me wrong, eliminating discrimination is a worthy goal but somewhere along the line, it became somewhat religious, a thing to be used as a signal to others that they are a good person. It's no longer about actually being a good person. It's just a performance that progressives put on.

You really want to help? You can start by not referring to us as "minorities" or Latinx or whatever other silly labels you feel like inventing. We are just people, no different from you. And stop this implicit assumption that only the benevolent hand of the white man can save us from our squalor and it's your job to do so. It's not. We make bad choices just like any other group of people and like any other group of people, we also have to live with the consequences of our bad choices. Not every so called "minority" is suffering because "the white man is keeping him down". These nonsense ideas are actually very harmful as it encourages us to avoid personal responsibility. You all need to stop that. Really.

[dilettante]

What it takes is for enough people to be courageous, and then the culture recovers.

[dilettante]

It always amazes me that white liberals can't see how patronizing, dehumanizing, and insulting modern DEI ideologues really are.

Are we so sure that the intent was not to breed resentment in order to keep people from coming together for their common good?

[Niya]

Are we so sure that the intent was not to breed resentment in order to keep people from coming together for their common good?

Oh yea. The people who do this are race hustlers who stoke resentment to profit from it. The division it creates prevents us from seeing that the true divide is about class, not race but that is a whole different conversation. The election of Trump has shown that people are starting to open their eyes to this. Hopefully thing would continue to trend in this direction and real healing can begin.

[FunkyDexter]

It always amazes me that white liberals can't see how patronizing, dehumanizing, and insulting modern DEI ideologues really are. It makes me sick to my stomach. They are the most racist people I have ever seen. DEI was the thing that first opened my eyes to how warped progressives have become, though it wasn't always called DEI.

You clearly don't understand what DEI actually is. DEI does not call for you or anyone like you to be privileged or "saved". It simply calls for nobody, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion to be excluded.

Contrary to the right wing narrative, it does not call for e.g. a Black, Muslim, Trans Female, Lesbian to be hired in place of a more qualified White, Straight Dude. What it does call for is for White, Straight Dudes to not be hired in preference to more qualified Black, Muslim, Trans, Lesbians. It does not call for you to be privileged or excused. It calls for everyone to be given equal opportunities. And, yes, that means if you make dumbass decisions (possibly because you've sunk into cult based, rather than data based, thinking) then you get to own the consequences of those mistakes. If you do not want that protection, fine, good for you, but you do not get to deny it to anyone else.

It's also not about minorities, it's about anyone who is being actively disadvantaged. So, unless you meet that descriptor, it's not about you. My advice: stop being a snowflake.

[FunkyDexter]

As far as I can tell the biggest gripe is that things are now being done as the system was designed to do them

I know I've had to educate you as to your own history in the past but I wasn't expecting to have to educate you as to your own constitution. You guys are supposed to be big into that.

[Shaggy Hiker]

DEI recognizes that the US is still a pretty racist country. Folks who want to discriminate would much prefer that nobody pointed it out. It makes them uncomfortable.

[sapator]

Here the government called every patriotic party racists.
Now that Trump elected they split up to the "patriotic parliamentarian" and "WOKE parliamentarian" , they don't know what to do so the "patriotic parliamentarian" oppose the WOKE and the "WOKE parliamentarian" oppose patriots. And that is on the same party!
If I thought they are a bunch of idiots before, now they are double the price.

[dilettante]

You clearly don't understand what DEI actually is. DEI does not call for you or anyone like you to be privileged or "saved". It simply calls for nobody, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion to be excluded.

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I've been there, hiring people and managing their training up from no skills, aptitude, education, or experience. There was a specific dictate as to who could be hired, and it was entirely based on race and gender. The only reason we brought others in to interview was to whitewash the process and stave off lawsuits over the blatant discrimination and malfeasance. We couldn't interview anyone at all until after the candidate pool had been "enriched" by H.R. scratching up more names, literally from 100 miles away who had never applied in many cases.

This is the core problem with the left. They work hard, eyes closed and ears plugged, desperate to believe what they know to be false.

[dilettante]

I know I've had to educate you as to your own history in the past but I wasn't expecting to have to educate you as to your own constitution. You guys are supposed to be big into that.

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean or how it is relevant.

The Constitution does not grant any authority to a Deep State, much less prevent the President from cleaning house when waste, fraud, abuse, and general corruption are found in his organization.

[wes4dbt]

much less prevent the President from cleaning house when waste, fraud, abuse, and general corruption are found in his organization.

The right, left and middle, all want those things eliminated. But that's not what's happening.

If you want to keep repeating that claim then it's easy to repeat my response.

Do you mean the $50 million for condoms for Gaza and 10 million dead people receiving social security and Ukraine starting the war?

No, the peoples "gripe" is the lies. Plus Trump eliminating multiple oversight agencies, eliminating aid to truly desperate people in impoverished nations and abandoning our allies.

[wes4dbt]

You can start by not referring to us as "minorities" or Latinx or whatever other silly labels you feel like inventing. We are just people, no different from you

"us"??? Are you considered a minority in your country. Is the population predominately white??

[wes4dbt]

I've been there, hiring people and managing their training up from no skills, aptitude, education, or experience. There was a specific dictate as to who could be hired, and it was entirely based on race and gender. The only reason we brought others in to interview was to whitewash the process and stave off lawsuits over the blatant discrimination and malfeasance. We couldn't interview anyone at all until after the candidate pool had been "enriched" by H.R. scratching up more names, literally from 100 miles away who had never applied in many cases.

I've heard this horror story since the 70's. Whether it's true or not I don't know. Back then it was called affirmative action. DEI doesn't mandate preferential treatment. If the law isn't being applied correctly then fix it. Don't just remove something that helps prevent discrimination.

[sapator]

Isn't about that time that dil must be targeted as racist because he wrote "and it was entirely based on race and gender" and " been "enriched" " ?

[wes4dbt]

Isn't about that time that dil must be targeted as racist because he wrote "and it was entirely based on race and gender" and " been "enriched" " ?

If you think that makes him a racist then do your own name calling.

[sapator]

I don't know. Must I spell sarcasm?
And I was not actually referring to you, I don't recall racist remarks by you. But of course you had the answer itch again.

[wes4dbt]

I don't know. Must I spell sarcasm?
And I was not actually referring to you, I don't recall racist remarks by you. But of course you had the answer itch again.

I tend to itch when I find something abrasive.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Here the government called every patriotic party racists.

You don't have quite the history with racial issues that the US has had. Our bloodiest war was fought over that issue, and it's still being fought in some places.

[TysonLPrice]

U.S. votes against a U.N. resolution urging Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/g-s1-...olution-russia

The US has aligned with Russia, North Korea, and the current list of world bad actors. In just over a a month

[wes4dbt]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/g-s1-...olution-russia

The US has aligned with Russia, North Korea, and the current list of world bad actors. In just over a a month

Nothing new, he did the same thing his first term.

[TysonLPrice]

Nothing new, he did the same thing his first term.

Even China abstained...The US has realigned around an orange headed fool!

[FunkyDexter]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean

You don't know what the separation of powers is? Surprising but I guess the clues were there.

[sapator]

voting against a Europe-backed Ukrainian resolution.
Trump reads sapator etc.

[sapator]

You don't have quite the history with racial issues that the US has had. Our bloodiest war was fought over that issue, and it's still being fought in some places.

OH you are in for a treat here!

Racism come from Ancient Greek it's a Doria dialect of "Ras - Ratsa" and Achaian of "Ris - Risos" meaning root of plant , your roots, Romans adopter the Achaian Chalches writing and the used C instead of S so Ras was written Rac and Ratsa was written Raca but the pronunciation was like racha

But to extend your note. It does not have to be black or white as I suppose you are referring to for racism, if you remove the Woke loons that even to sneeze strangely is racist , we got other field of racism here.
Also in ancient Greece it was what it meant. Meaning a racist was someone that upholded his roots, even other city states that had different accent could be considered barbarian that get "racist" against.
But yes, clearly US was the champion back then.

[TysonLPrice]

Yesterday at a news conference Trump was reminded he called Zelensky and Dictator and did he think Putin was a Dictator. Trump's answer/non-answer was "I don't use that word lightly". Whatever that means...to me it means he just can't bring himself to criticize a murdering thug. Now that Trump has immunity he can be one too.

[FunkyDexter]

Actually, I'll back Sapator on that one. Greece, like the other Balkan states, sits on the cusp of Europe, Asia and Africa... and on the cusp of the Christian and Muslim worlds... and on the cusp of NATO and the former Soviet Union. The whole region is one big melting pot of people who've spent a lot of history trying to kill each other.

The flavour of racism is very different to the US but they do have their fair share of it. Honestly, given the history it's kinda surprising they don't have more than they do.

[sapator]

The Roman empire years where a true comparison to US but with a switch, except from romans and very few exceptions, you could gladly be killed without discrimination.

[FunkyDexter]

Yesterday at a news conference Trump was reminded he called Zelensky and Dictator and did he think Putin was a Dictator. Trump's answer/non-answer was "I don't use that word lightly". Whatever that means...to me it means he just can't bring himself to criticize a murdering thug. Now that Trump has immunity he can be one too.

I saw that. I also liked the moment when Macron just straight up called him out in his lies. Europe has given more money to Ukraine than the US (roughly 60%) and no, it wasn't a loan.

[sapator]

We have given, I mean our traitors, probably the most ammo in all of Europe.
Of course, it was not a loan, we where not asked, the tracks have been recorder to secretly pass the borders, day in day out.
Our prime traitor is making such announcements but not inside Greece, to forums and such and in English so stupid inhabitants Uga Uga here do not take notice. And of course the sold out media do not report anything about it.
Friday...

[Shaggy Hiker]

OH you are in for a treat here!

Racism come from Ancient Greek it's a Doria dialect of "Ras - Ratsa" and Achaian of "Ris - Risos" meaning root of plant , your roots, Romans adopter the Achaian Chalches writing and the used C instead of S so Ras was written Rac and Ratsa was written Raca but the pronunciation was like racha

But to extend your note. It does not have to be black or white as I suppose you are referring to for racism, if you remove the Woke loons that even to sneeze strangely is racist , we got other field of racism here.
Also in ancient Greece it was what it meant. Meaning a racist was someone that upholded his roots, even other city states that had different accent could be considered barbarian that get "racist" against.
But yes, clearly US was the champion back then.

Is that also the root for Rastafarians? I could probably look that up, but I don't feel like it.

Humans are tribal, so dividing ourselves up into us vs them comes pretty naturally. Some are really weird, some are not so weird. If we can't find any good dividing lines, we seem willing to make them up. Still, the US may be somewhat special because of our relatively recent history of economic power based on slavery, which may be coupled with the weird "western myth". The rest of the world had slavery. It may have been almost everywhere at one time or another. It just isn't all that far back, for us, and had some weird roots. When you're talking about "all men are created equal", while enslaving people, you end up getting into some contortions that might have had some distorting results.

If you're wondering about the western myth, it's the idea that the US west was colonized by rugged, independent, individuals. It's the whole, "we don't need no stinkin' government (but build those roads, electric utilities, schools, rule of law, an economy where we can buy and sell things, and so forth...just pretend they were always there)."

[Shaggy Hiker]

the tracks have been recorder to secretly pass the borders, day in day out.

What??

[sapator]

Trucks.
Sorry.

[sapator]

Is that also the root for Rastafarians? I could probably look that up, but I don't feel like it.

Humans are tribal, so dividing ourselves up into us vs them comes pretty naturally. Some are really weird, some are not so weird. If we can't find any good dividing lines, we seem willing to make them up. Still, the US may be somewhat special because of our relatively recent history of economic power based on slavery, which may be coupled with the weird "western myth". The rest of the world had slavery. It may have been almost everywhere at one time or another. It just isn't all that far back, for us, and had some weird roots. When you're talking about "all men are created equal", while enslaving people, you end up getting into some contortions that might have had some distorting results.

If you're wondering about the western myth, it's the idea that the US west was colonized by rugged, independent, individuals. It's the whole, "we don't need no stinkin' government (but build those roads, electric utilities, schools, rule of law, an economy where we can buy and sell things, and so forth...just pretend they were always there)."

There was slavery but the amount differ. In ancient times some would willingly become slaves to get work and food. Modern times brought it to the max.
Another western myth was the US was initially was colonized by send prisoners from Europe. Now myth or not, I really haven't checked that.

[sapator]

Ukraine agrees on US minerals deal, seeking Trump support

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-a...211200513.html

Oh snappaty snap, I guess it was a loan after all.

Everyone will exploit Ukraine, except Euro idiots. They are doing it for king and country. Such philanthropists such good men (my frarss) .

[TysonLPrice]

Is that also the root for Rastafarians? I could probably look that up, but I don't feel like it.

Humans are tribal, so dividing ourselves up into us vs them comes pretty naturally. Some are really weird, some are not so weird. If we can't find any good dividing lines, we seem willing to make them up. Still, the US may be somewhat special because of our relatively recent history of economic power based on slavery, which may be coupled with the weird "western myth". The rest of the world had slavery. It may have been almost everywhere at one time or another. It just isn't all that far back, for us, and had some weird roots. When you're talking about "all men are created equal", while enslaving people, you end up getting into some contortions that might have had some distorting results.

If you're wondering about the western myth, it's the idea that the US west was colonized by rugged, independent, individuals. It's the whole, "we don't need no stinkin' government (but build those roads, electric utilities, schools, rule of law, an economy where we can buy and sell things, and so forth...just pretend they were always there)."

The "dividing lines " started at the very beginning:

According to current scientific understanding, Homo sapiens is believed to have "outlasted" and essentially "wiped out" at least eight other human-like species (including Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo floresiensis, and others), making them the only surviving species within the Homo genus today; meaning there were around nine different human species that once existed on Earth, with Homo sapiens being the only one remaining.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I always heard Australia was the one populated with English criminals

[Shaggy Hiker]

There was slavery but the amount differ. In ancient times some would willingly become slaves to get work and food. Modern times brought it to the max.
Another western myth was the US was initially was colonized by send prisoners from Europe. Now myth or not, I really haven't checked that.

I think some of the southern colonies might have started out as penal colonies. I haven't checked that, either, and it barely matters.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Ukraine agrees on US minerals deal, seeking Trump support

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-a...211200513.html

Oh snappaty snap, I guess it was a loan after all.

Everyone will exploit Ukraine, except Euro idiots. They are doing it for king and country. Such philanthropists such good men (my frarss) .

That article states that the $500 billion reference was removed, and "They removed all the clauses that did not suit us". So...what IS in this deal? It sounds like it is nothing more than a framework of a trade deal, considering that the details are stated to "remain to be worked out" and that the article makes it sound totally fuzzy.

Is this going to be another case where Trump gives away the house and claims it was a great deal?

Most likely, this will be written in such a mealy-mouthed way that both sides will claim that it does what they want, and it won't actually do anything because both sides have different understandings of what it does.

[Shaggy Hiker]

This has the text of the agreement:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/26/europ...ntl/index.html

As you can see, this would be a total win for Ukraine as written. Trump can weasel out of it, but all it is doing is setting up a fund for rebuilding Ukraine and securing it. Ukraine will contribute 50% of their resource revenue to the fund.

So, while the US is not guaranteeing Ukrainian security, it is certainly suggesting that it will support that, including in the context of EU negotiations, while Ukraine has to use government money to rebuild, which is clearly something they were going to have to do anyways.