Contrast this with the unfounded and barely theoretical "Trump will eliminate Social Security" that the "sleep your way to the top" campaign kept spouting.
Wow, you must have your rake deep in the muck to dig up a conspiracy theory like that one.
I don't think Trump will touch Social Security. The people around him would most certainly like to. That has been a goal for decades...well, it's actually been a goal since Social Security was established. The last one to seriously try was W Bush, but it's so massively unpopular that nobody succeeds. That's also why I don't think Trump will do it. He doesn't care, but he does know that would destroy the one thing he does care about: His name.
It's not barely theoretical, though. There's this from one article fact checking project 2025 (which does not call for cuts to Social Security)
Trump said about a half-dozen times that he’s open to major overhauls of Social Security, including cuts and privatization. More recently, in a March 2024 CNBC interview, Trump said of entitlement programs such as Social Security, “There’s a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting.” However, he quickly walked that statement back, and his CNBC comment stands at odds with essentially everything else Trump has said during the 2024 presidential campaign.
So, yes, he's said he might cut it, but then he backtracked, and has been fairly consistent that he won't. That fits him perfectly. The people around him would love to cut it, as they have for so long, and he sways towards them...but then he realizes how unpopular it would be and he sways the other way. He's a ship without a keel.
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Of course now the establishment duopoly is doing as much damage as it can before they get ousted.
Look at the ludicrous repealing of Social Security GPO and WEP provisions. Nothing like handing back a benefit intended for low-wage earners to douches who didn't pay into the system. Just for good measure it undermines the solvency of the system even more.
But even if it passes and the Dodderer In Chief signs off on it, this attempt to buy future votes of greedy scum will most likely be rolled back come 2025.
I guess we know who doesn't give a damn about the working poor or the Social Security system. These idiots, their clients, and their "Unfairness Act."
Contrast this with the unfounded and barely theoretical "Trump will eliminate Social Security" that the "sleep your way to the top" campaign kept spouting.
A lot of name calling going on here but I can't figure out who those names apply to. That was a bipartisan bill and was approved by the large majority of both Rep and Dems.
A lot of name calling going on here but I can't figure out who those names apply to. That was a bipartisan bill and was approved by the large majority of both Rep and Dems.
Come on. You know who has been doddering so hard that the establishment replaced him with the only person they could remotely claim to be legitimate. If you don't know the difference between the Parties and the establishment then you simply haven't been paying attention: the coterie around the Cheneys, Clintons, and Obamas.
Trump's biggest challenge will be to unwind Bidenomics while the economy collapses around us as those policies play out. It is hard to turn the Titanic very quickly this late in the game.
Come on. You know who has been doddering so hard that the establishment replaced him with the only person they could remotely claim to be legitimate. If you don't know the difference between the Parties and the establishment then you simply haven't been paying attention: the coterie around the Cheneys, Clintons, and Obamas.
Ohh. Kennedy the anti vaccine fakevid crazy person in health department? Ohh what a world!
Also I would be happy to report any Woke posts here to Musk .
Fun times indeed.
Just a heads up , all of Greece is rooting for Trump. Even the born out of a amelanchier bottom fed eater traitor politicians are deleting anti Trump posts scarred sritless.
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Of course now the establishment duopoly is doing as much damage as it can before they get ousted.
Look at the ludicrous repealing of Social Security GPO and WEP provisions. Nothing like handing back a benefit intended for low-wage earners to douches who didn't pay into the system. Just for good measure it undermines the solvency of the system even more.
But even if it passes and the Dodderer In Chief signs off on it, this attempt to buy future votes of greedy scum will most likely be rolled back come 2025.
I guess we know who doesn't give a damn about the working poor or the Social Security system. These idiots, their clients, and their "Unfairness Act."
Contrast this with the unfounded and barely theoretical "Trump will eliminate Social Security" that the "sleep your way to the top" campaign kept spouting.
Yeah! Screw those freeloading firefighters and their families! What contribution have they ever made, eh?
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Yeah! Screw those freeloading firefighters and their families! What contribution have they ever made, eh?
Actually they have a great retirement package, at least in CA. I believe it differs from state to state. Put in 20 or 30 years and retire at 50 to 80% pay. They max out at 90% pay. Many retire earlier than that because of something like back problems and are eligible for full retirement. It has become a serious financial problem for the state here in CA.
Government workers (teachers, firemen, police...) don't pay into Social Security, last I saw it's 15.3% of gross income. So I can why there is resistance against them receiving SS. My uncle worked for the federal government for @ 30yrs, after retiring from there he worked a non government job for 10yrs and now he gets both retirement payments. Pretty sweet deal.
I don't know how the current bill would affect government workers so I don't have an opinion on that.
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I think we should all "embrace change". Along those lines I am expanding my vocabulary. There is a saying that goes "use a word three times and it is yours". Today I came across a new word and I want to own it. The word is "Kakistocracy". The definition is a "government by the worst and most unscrupulous people among us". We are in the progress of building a Kakistocracy. Some might argue Trump is not building a Kakistocracy, I think we are . That is three times I used "Kakistocracy". Its mine now...
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The kleptocrats are working very hard to dole out pork and set IEDs everywhere as they leave office. Buying votes with retirement double-dipping at the expense of low-income retirees is just one example.
If we're lucky, in two years we'll jettison some additional toxic elements from Congress. But in the meantime people are jubilant at the return to normalcy ahead.
But in the meantime people are jubilant at the return to normalcy ahead.
I would urge all Americans that hold such desires to not just coast along and expect it to come easy. You have a vicious fight ahead of you to bring about this return to normalcy. Do not for a second think that the far-left Marxists are done with your country.
I just watched a 30-minute post-mortem on CNN on why they lost and instead of honest introspection, I found 30 minutes of more propaganda and utter stupidity. I could only make it half way through, it was so stupid. Point is, they are not done. Don't stop fighting!
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Just a heads up , all of Greece is rooting for Trump.
That wont last long. The EU is Greece's largest export market, accounting for around 50-60% of total exports. Greece exports to the US is 5 to 10%. If Trump imposes high tariffs on EU manufactored goods, the EU will manufacture less for the US market. EU manufacturing companies will import less from Greece then (machinery, chemicals, fuels) if their revenue drop is steep, and some might halt imports altogether, specially if they close factories. Some of their factories in the US might even be impacted if they relied on imports from EU countries. Consumers in Europe will tighten their belts and buy less Greek products. Greece's olive oil exports of €2.5 billion and €3 billion might get slashed by more then 50%. Less demand for EU products will cause unemployment everywhere. Tourism will also be affected in Greece and other European countries. The whole world will be affected by this tariff ripple effect, meaning the EU, including Greece, will have trouble attracting tourists and exporting products everywhere.
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That wont last long. The EU is Greece's largest export market, accounting for around 50-60% of total exports. Greece exports to the US is 5 to 10%. If Trump imposes high tariffs on EU manufactored goods, the EU will manufacture less for the US market. EU manufacturing companies will import less from Greece then (machinery, chemicals, fuels) if their revenue drop is steep, and some might halt imports altogether, specially if they close factories. Some of their factories in the US might even be impacted if they relied on imports from EU countries. Consumers in Europe will tighten their belts and buy less Greek products. Greece's olive oil exports of €2.5 billion and €3 billion might get slashed by more then 50%. Less demand for EU products will cause unemployment everywhere. Tourism will also be affected in Greece and other European countries. The whole world will be affected by this tariff ripple effect, meaning the EU, including Greece, will have trouble attracting tourists and exporting products everywhere.
OH I wish!
We are exporting olive oil and our internal market has a 300% increase of price, so it would be good if we can keep it for ourself.Same for feta cheese. Also machinery, chemicals, fuels...No the traitors made sure we don't export that much of it. Well ,maybe chemicals.
Also the latest trend on tourists is eat, piss, go. Meaning eat something cheap and not supporting the economy, also (as seen in Barcelona) we are overtouristated , we have a water surplus but every summer it's increasing dangerously .
Also with a Greek patriotic government and Trump we might be finally able to drill for oil. But that is if we get rid of the traitors.
Edit : we have a water surplus but every summer it's decreasing dangerously .
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Every tourist destination I have ever encountered has some version of the complaint, "tourists these days are so cheap that they show up with one pair of underwear and a $20 bill, stay for a week, and don't change either."
Sounds reasonable. I would think that lots of places do that, so long as they feel they can get away with it. There was a certain amount of that in the Florida Keys.
I think the worst is Mykonos. Tourists start boycott the island because the prices are insane.
But at least there , you can't get away with a salad. They will skin you for everything you got.
Every tourist destination I have ever encountered has some version of the complaint, "tourists these days are so cheap that they show up with one pair of underwear and a $20 bill, stay for a week, and don't change either."
Things may have changed but when I lived in the Tampa Bay FL area for about a decade Canadians had a reputation for not tipping. The joke was "What is the difference between a Canadian and a canoe, A canoe tips"
Ana Kasparian was a pretty hard-core booster for DNC candidates and policies, but following our Election she's turned hard against them.
But instead of just wringing her hands, she's been listing policy position after position that she now realizes people just do not like. When she raised these before the election she was shouted down.
Now she is done, from the local level to the top. She is still fully in the grip of her TDS, but the fog has now parted for her.
If such an extreme, noisy media activist can begin to see the light there is hope that others not as tightly swaddled in "the narrative" as she was can too.
A new day for peace, prosperity, tolerance, and the Bill of Rights may finally be dawning.
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but following our Election she's turned hard against them.
Ana Kasparian turned on the left months ago. Her journey out of the jaws of madness actually began long before that at the height of liberal insanity when they started referring to women as "birthing people", "people who menstruate" and other such ridiculous nonsense. That one struck her deep, as it should, and it awakened her. She has been slowly moving away from the far left ever since.
I suspect her journey will end somewhere in the centre similar to where Tim Pool and Joe Rogan are.
C++ programmers will dismiss you as a cretinous simpleton for your inability to keep track of pointers chained 6 levels deep and Java programmers will pillory you for buying into the evils of Microsoft. Meanwhile C# programmers will get paid just a little bit more than you for writing exactly the same code and VB6 programmers will continue to whitter on about "footprints". - FunkyDexter
There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. - jmcilhinney
The threads I start are Niya and Olaf free zones. No arguing about the benefits of VB6 over .NET here please. Happiness must reign. - yereverluvinuncleber
If such an extreme, noisy media activist can begin to see the light there is hope that others not as tightly swaddled in the narrative as she was can too.
She is not the only one. Bill Maher is also slowly coming to his senses. Jon Stewart and Van Jones are also showing a little potential and I must emphasize a little. They are still raging leftists.
C++ programmers will dismiss you as a cretinous simpleton for your inability to keep track of pointers chained 6 levels deep and Java programmers will pillory you for buying into the evils of Microsoft. Meanwhile C# programmers will get paid just a little bit more than you for writing exactly the same code and VB6 programmers will continue to whitter on about "footprints". - FunkyDexter
There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. - jmcilhinney
The threads I start are Niya and Olaf free zones. No arguing about the benefits of VB6 over .NET here please. Happiness must reign. - yereverluvinuncleber
So, now that the vote is counted, Trump got a bit more than two million more votes than he got in 2020. Had everybody who voted in 2020 voted again in 2024, he would have lost again. The issue was that Harris got more than seven million less than Biden got.
A few people swung to Trump, but a much larger group just didn't vote at all.
Had everybody who voted in 2020 voted again in 2024, he would have lost again.
Maybe but that's only if almost all the people that didn't vote were Harris voters.
From the data I've seen the major reasons Harris lost was the perception that the economy is bad and immigration issues. But it's fun to watch people use the Trump victory to justify their beliefs.
So, now that the vote is counted, Trump got a bit more than two million more votes than he got in 2020. Had everybody who voted in 2020 voted again in 2024, he would have lost again. The issue was that Harris got more than seven million less than Biden got.
A few people swung to Trump, but a much larger group just didn't vote at all.
Meh, we'll see what happens.
I had thought Trump wining the first election was an aberration and a temporary stain on our politics. Then I thought Biden being elected would return us to some sense of normalcy. I realize Biden was the aberration and that Trump and his ilk are the new normal politics.
When I was a hippie the "establishment" was old and didn't get it. The pendulum has swung. Now I'm old and I just don't get it.
Maybe but that's only if almost all the people that didn't vote were Harris voters.
From the data I've seen the major reasons Harris lost was the perception that the economy is bad and immigration issues. But it's fun to watch people use the Trump victory to justify their beliefs.
Well, that first part isn't quite right. A bunch of people who voted in 2020 didn't vote in 2024. Roughly the same number that voted for Trump in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024, while he brought in a portion who switched over, he also got more votes in places like Idaho, which was always bright red. So, the number that 'switched parties' is non-zero, but some switched right and some switched left, more might have switched right than switched left, but it wasn't all that many more, because some on the right got off the couch.
I haven't looked state by state, and Idaho only accounts for an additional 100K, or so, Trump votes, but a hundred K here and a hundred K there, and pretty soon you are talking real numbers....that have no impact, because Trump was always going to win Idaho.
Take away those that got off the couch, and Trump in 2024 is roughly where Trump was in 2020, but Harris is FAR below where Biden was. I all those absent Biden voters moved to Trump, then Trump would have done FAR better than he did, yet he didn't do much better in 2024 than in 2020.
That suggests that Trump got a few people off the couch, and Harris sent a whole lot more back to the couch. Nobody need have shifted parties at all to get the numbers as they came out, all that would be required is that different sub-groups did or didn't vote.
That certainly isn't all of it, since a bunch of people did switch one way or the other, but the net shift isn't at all clear.
What IS clear is that people still don't do stats well. There was a whole lot of talk about Trump doing better in all demographics, but I don't know of any who are not talking about percentages. That's all the news shows seem to talk about. But percentages are misleading, because you can end up with fewer votes in some group and still improve your percentage. All it requires is that more people sit out. We know people sit out in every election (in the US, anyways). It's never about swaying people, it's about getting your people to vote OR keeping the other sides people from voting.
Well, that first part isn't quite right. A bunch of people who voted in 2020 didn't vote in 2024. Roughly the same number that voted for Trump in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024, while he brought in a portion who switched over, he also got more votes in places like Idaho, which was always bright red. So, the number that 'switched parties' is non-zero, but some switched right and some switched left, more might have switched right than switched left, but it wasn't all that many more, because some on the right got off the couch.
I haven't looked state by state, and Idaho only accounts for an additional 100K, or so, Trump votes, but a hundred K here and a hundred K there, and pretty soon you are talking real numbers....that have no impact, because Trump was always going to win Idaho.
Take away those that got off the couch, and Trump in 2024 is roughly where Trump was in 2020, but Harris is FAR below where Biden was. I all those absent Biden voters moved to Trump, then Trump would have done FAR better than he did, yet he didn't do much better in 2024 than in 2020.
That suggests that Trump got a few people off the couch, and Harris sent a whole lot more back to the couch. Nobody need have shifted parties at all to get the numbers as they came out, all that would be required is that different sub-groups did or didn't vote.
That certainly isn't all of it, since a bunch of people did switch one way or the other, but the net shift isn't at all clear.
What IS clear is that people still don't do stats well. There was a whole lot of talk about Trump doing better in all demographics, but I don't know of any who are not talking about percentages. That's all the news shows seem to talk about. But percentages are misleading, because you can end up with fewer votes in some group and still improve your percentage. All it requires is that more people sit out. We know people sit out in every election (in the US, anyways). It's never about swaying people, it's about getting your people to vote OR keeping the other sides people from voting.
I see your point. And when I mentioned the country shifted right a poster disagreed. I get all that that, but the bottom line is the right had a trifecta in congress and the supreme court majority is on the right. You can argue the country hasn't shifted to the right, but tell me the government, and the policies for the next few years, hasn't.
"To the right" just means that the center was heard this election.
If you want to see chaos and fret about the end times, just look at the fallout from Biden's mishandling of Ukraine. Much of Europe has its hair on fire now, seriously fretting about nuclear weapon exchanges and everything else downward.
Before the change in administration has even begun though, the world sees a ray of hope.
As for vote totals, there is a new case of proven or admitted election fraud every day. All of it favoring the same side. Who knows how much more has been covered well enough to escape notice?
Even crazy Cenk is now starting to get with the America program.
I don't know exactly what Biden is thinking or has been "suggested" but starting 3rd world war is not the way to end a carrier.
Fortunately Russia is a lot calmer on it's reaction (also knowing Trump is coming) till now.
I wouldn't really deal with Harris anymore. That ship has sailed a looong time ago as most of us not biased knew it will happen
I don't know exactly what Biden is thinking or has been "suggested" but starting 3rd world war is not the way to end a carrier.
This isn't about Biden, it's about sabotaging Trump. I don't think most people grasp how truly evil the left is. It means nothing for them to start WW3 just to give Trump a harder time.
If this action leads to WW3 and Trump fails to stop it, the Democrats can use this failure against him. They are hoping that WW3 starts and they are praying that Trump fails to get it under control because if this happens then will have all the ammo they need to hammer Trump for the next 4 years. This is a classic tactic of the left.
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There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. - jmcilhinney
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