Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[Shaggy Hiker]

What they did, turned you into vaxbies they will pay for it dearly.

Not a chance. You only have two parties that have a realistic chance of winning an election, so you tend to just swap from one to the other. I haven't seen any suggestion that you will do anything other than that. All you're going to do is stop hitting yourself with your right hand and start hitting yourself with your left.

Besides, it wouldn't be Greece if you liked your government.

[sapator]

We talked about this before. Only US has 2 parties.
Currently we have 6 parties in the parliament. Allegedly only 2 parties can win the elections and one coming very close to the first 2, let's see what will happen, the max they can hold glued to their chairs is September.
And I'm not talking only for Greece.
We will fight for what they did to you till the end even if you don't want us to!Justice for vaxbism! (where is that frikin freedom emoticon.....ererreadsacac anyway)

And we adore the government....Where is that decapitation video hmmm...

[Shaggy Hiker]

I need to answer that as well.
it can not go back to normal.
the trust it broken completely. at least for the people that "believe" in the "agenda".
it is impossible to trust government, health care system, pharmacies, media, big companies, UN, WHO etc.

to restore trust, if that is even possible. something big need to happen.
a cleansing of everything corrupted.

if instead they are able to get away with this, excuses or try to bury evidences etc,
it will only mean the retribution will happen later. and it will grow in volume.

so, right now, at least for me, I can not see any solution. I don't know how we can go back and forget. and I can't see how we gonna fix this without causing war and destruction as I dont think the people behind all this will just capitulate.

Hard to say what normal would be in the US. Normal for us would probably mean fighting over the 2020 election. Frankly, COVID didn't really do anything different in this country. We haven't been this polarized since the Civil War, and that has nothing to do with COVID.

Of course, COVID made little difference in this state. People followed mask wearing for a time, then stopped. At this point, it depends on the organization/office, and as I've noted before, it's just a matter of what clothing you are required to wear. You've always been required to wear some things, now some places add a mask, others don't. Makes no real difference....except in one area. The percentage of roadside trash that is masks is much greater than the near zero it was prior to 2020.

[sapator]

Covid vaxbed you. We will fight!
See links 1 through 155...
Nap time... Nap, nap nap nap napp napp. Yep really need to sleep....

P.S. Where is the Canadian Prime Minister?
P.S.2 . Trucker where late..
P.S.3 That's how it's done, not 3 posts one after the other. Take lessons yall.
P.S.4 Flat is earth! This is called a quarter back reply. I said take lessoooons.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Now when it comes to ideas that are not outright outlandish, this is the slow process. It can become a back-and-forth that may go on for years. These are the real fruitful discussions that need to be allowed to happen.

This thread has made me less likely to agree with that. I'd like to know whether or not any flat earther has ever changed their mind. I have no idea whether or not anybody has ever looked at this, or whether it would even be possible, but my guess is that the answer would be no.

[Shaggy Hiker]

We talked about this before. Only US has 2 parties.
Currently we have 6 parties in the parliament. Allegedly only 2 parties can win the elections and one coming very close to the first 2, let's see what will happen, the max they can hold glued to their chairs is September.
And I'm not talking only for Greece.
We will fight for what they did to you till the end even if you don't want us to!Justice for vaxbism! (where is that frikin freedom emoticon.....ererreadsacac anyway)

And we adore the government....Where is that decapitation video hmmm...

Doesn't matter how many actual parties you have (though I do rather envy your having more than two...and technically, we have at least three, currently), only two seem capable of forming governments.

[sapator]

Nop. 2 does not cope it this time. We will talk again when elections come.

[TysonLPrice]

Well, this post is over 2yrs old and has over 5,000 posts. Which ideas have merit and which are nonsense still depends on who you ask.

Wow...you have such a keen sense of the obvious...are you a manager?

[Shaggy Hiker]

xkcd will supply:

[Niya]

This thread has made me less likely to agree with that. I'd like to know whether or not any flat earther has ever changed their mind. I have no idea whether or not anybody has ever looked at this, or whether it would even be possible, but my guess is that the answer would be no.

Well once upon a time the majority of humanity probably believed that the Earth was flat or something equally outlandish. However, today most people know it's round. It took a lot of time and was costly to a lot of individual people with them being shunned, mocked and even executed in some cases, but we still managed to arrive at doors of reason. Now this particular thread may never be resolved but we cannot assume it won't contribute to the eventual resolution of the differing views presented in it. Who knows what effect this discussion would have on the future. We don't even know if there are lurkers reading this thread right now who's minds have been changed by the conversation and who knows what they will go off to do. For all we know it could be inspiring someone right now who will take some kind of action in the future that will have a massive impact, or at the very least drives the conversation forward in a big way.

[Eduardo-]

In the past, it was "obvious" to most people that the Earth was flat.
They could see and check by their own experience: the Earth was obviously flat, just look at the horizon and see the flatness for yourself.

There were a few nutcases out there saying otherwise, but who would believe them, if every major institution and almost all people already knew that the Earth was flat?

The ones that contradict authorities must be silenced because they are a threat.

We are in the middle age of information, and everybody knows (OK, most do) that the Erath is flat.

You can see that on TV, and every authority say that: the WHO, FDA, CDC, and publications like The Lancet, etc.
Then, of course the Earth is flat. Who say otherwise is a nutcase. But a dangerous one...
They must be all silenced because they are a threat.

Yeah, the flat-earth believers are a good example of what is happening (of course I mean the flat-earth believers of the past).

[Eduardo-]

There are two kind of people:

1) The ones seeking the truth.

2) The ones that already know the truth and will use any argument to justify what they already think is true.

Which one are you?

[digitalShaman]

How to make people wake up

There are two strategies that i am currently following in conversations. It's not that they are 100% working but i think they could in the long run.
First is what Olaf did a few posts before: put things into the right perspective: How many people die from cancer each year, heart problems and on a global scale starvation, age of covid dead etc, olaf pointed it out quite well including the right question: why is there so much focus on covid when we have much larger problems that could be solved with the huge amout of money that was spent and burnt in covid? realizing it is not the "we will all die!!" scenario makes many arguments fall apart like "we have to get back to normal" -> what prevents us from going back to normal? it is not the virus, it's the government.

The second strategy is a to ask people to think about where their "red line" would be. Are they fine with unvaxxed having to pay extra tax? unvaxxed paying for hospital care? unvaxxed not beeing treated? unvaxxed not being allowed to use public transport? not getting unemployment paying? vax mandates in schools? in kindergarten? etc. you get the point.
Some of these are already in place in some countries and they are put in effect step by step. if people dont think about their red line beforehand, they will go along much longer and accept measures they today would not accept. it's like the frog being slowly boiled.

[FunkyDexter]

I'm pretty sure genocide was seriously discussed in China recently, the 1800's in the US west, and aboriginals in Australia.

The difference is in this bit: "to debate genocide as a good public policy" It's the difference between discussing and advocating for genocide. The latter would be straight up hate speech.

I agree with you that there's a good case to be made that advocating for an anti-vax position is dangerous and should therefore be banned but, for me at least, it doesn't rise to the same bar as genocide or domestic violence.

I've been busy for the last couple of days so am only getting to dip into this thread but I'd encourage anyone who thinks any content crosses the line to use the report function or pm the mods. We're actively discussing the situation.

[baka]

There are two kind of people:

1) The ones seeking the truth.

2) The ones that already know the truth and will use any argument to justify what they already think is true.

Which one are you?

its called a paradigm.
this is not new and each time we are "inside" a paradigm, they will do anything to protect it.
usually its about power structures that need the paradigm to work.
scientist and people with knowledge are the same, they are also protecting the paradigm.
the paradigm shift was not something easy, usually it involved with years of killing and oppression and tyranny.
only when the people that also had power saw "opportunities" the shift was made.

the #2 will fight until the end. no matter how much you try to convince them.
there need to be a paradigm shift that wakes them up. they are unable to make this change on their own,
they need a "leader" to do that first. it has always been like that. and Im sure it will always be like that.

you could say, but how? how can people be like that? why do they need something like that to change?
well, I think we need to look into the human behavior, our history, the herd mentality, the tribal mentality etc.
I think theres a % of the population that has that dna profile that define them as followers.
could be evolution, because if we have too many critical thinkers that always challenged the leaders we would not be able to create a stable group
and Im sure that homo sapiens would not been the one prospered. so I think, the reason why homo sapiens was the victorious was his strength to
be in a big group, working together and fight off all other humanoids in our 300.000+ past. nothing stand a chance.

eventually we would fight each other. but thats another story.

[Eduardo-]

Some of these are already in place in some countries and they are put in effect step by step. if people dont think about their red line beforehand, they will go along much longer and accept measures they today would not accept. it's like the frog being slowly boiled.

That's the whole point. Today there are happening things that they said before that would never happen (mandates). And are not happening things that they assured would happen (efficacy of the vaccines and back to normality).

How someone could not even doubt? Only if they are already bound to their narrative and have blind confidence on them.
How can someone trust them? Well, only being too naive and having no clue what kind of people they are.
Let's suppose they have no idea about how (evil) these people are, that's (more or less) fair, at least have some doubt.

Consider the possibility, even if you think it is small, that you could be wrong.

[Eduardo-]

its called a paradigm.
this is not new and each time we are "inside" a paradigm, they will do anything to protect it.
usually its about power structures that need the paradigm to work.
scientist and people with knowledge are the same, they are also protecting the paradigm.
the paradigm shift was not something easy, usually it involved with years of killing and oppression and tyranny.
only when the people that also had power saw "opportunities" the shift was made.

the #2 will fight until the end. no matter how much you try to convince them.
there need to be a paradigm shift that wakes them up. they are unable to make this change on their own,
they need a "leader" to do that first. it has always been like that. and Im sure it will always be like that.

you could say, but how? how can people be like that? why do they need something like that to change?
well, I think we need to look into the human behavior, our history, the herd mentality, the tribal mentality etc.
I think theres a % of the population that has that dna profile that define them as followers.
could be evolution, because if we have too many critical thinkers that always challenged the leaders we would not be able to create a stable group
and Im sure that homo sapiens would not been the one prospered. so I think, the reason why homo sapiens was the victorious was his strength to
be in a big group, working together and fight off all other humanoids in our 300.000+ past. nothing stand a chance.

eventually we would fight each other. but thats another story.

An example is what happened in the last decades and is still happening with Theory of Evolution.
Any scientist that dare to suggest that this theory might be wrong, or have any different idea or theory, is banned, disgraced, discredited, fired from his job, etc.
They are "burned", ridiculed, etc.

More or less the same is happening in later years with the gay and gender agenda. Anyone who dare to challenge it, must suffer the consequences.

I see that the same trend is starting to happen with the vegan agenda.

And I'll add, the climate-change agenda (most probably, if not certainly lie).
The same occured in the past with the death-penalty and "human right" that are 99% the rights of the criminals, to allow then to continue with their activities on society.

As the Evolution, also the Big-Bang theory.
I think with the agenda they are more interested in the normal people to believe that, than the scientists. All these ideas are targeted mostly to normal Joe.

All the same patterns.

And I could add the new feminism (because the old one was good).

Anyone that dare to challenge any of these "paradigms" is burned at the stake.

Now the antivaxes seems to be in the scaffold.

When people defending the "current paradigm" by these means were right in history?

And I'll tell you what I think about all the other I mentioned: they are all wrong (including evolution and big bang).
You may think otherwise. You didn't take the time I took to investigate them.

[TysonLPrice]

Let's use a contrived example. Let's say someone tells you the sky is red. You could respond:-
"Are you blind or are you just a braindead idiot?"

or you could respond with:-
"Why stop there? The sea is green and trees are black. Making up stuff sure is fun!"

The first response directly attacks the person which I think it is acceptable to moderate. The second response uses sarcasm to make a mockery of the idea of the sky being red. It does not focus upon person who put the idea forth.

You can "clean up in aisle seven" all you want. It was quite obvious, and backed up in your prior posts, what you really meant.

[FunkyDexter]

More or less the same is happening in later years with the gay and gender agenda

Be really careful where you're going with this.

[baka]

Julian Gillespie is a retired lawyer and former barrister who has come out of retirement to fight a new legal battle, aiming to put an immediate stop to the vaccines in Australia.
Julian gives us an update on the case in this interview, explaining the maladministration by the TGA and the core of the case, which seeks to suspend the vaccines for adults and children as soon as the hearing occurs.
They are expecting this will happen within the next week, at most two.

https://rumble.com/vtv5pe-julian-gil...-australi.html

source: https://avn.org.au/information/vacci...ll-our-rights/

[Eduardo-]

Be really careful where you're going with this.

What do you mean?

[FunkyDexter]

I mean that if you start posting anything that's anti gay, misogynist or similar, that is something we would act on. That includes linked content.

[Eduardo-]

I mean that if you start posting anything that anti gay, misogynist or similar, that is something we would act on.

I'll post what I believe is true, according to what I now.
It is not anti-anybody, it is anti-destroying our societies.

But individuals can do whatever they want, that's the free will everybody has.
For example they can take drugs (or whatever other example we could find), but it does not mean that I must be forced to think or say that drugs are good, or that they can't induce bad behaviors.

[TysonLPrice]

And the countdown begins

[Eduardo-]

And the countdown begins

That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

[baka]

Jordan Peterson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

A message to Premiers Jason Kenney, Scott Moe and Doug Ford, and Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition Erin O'Toole:
What are you waiting for? This is your moment. Seize the day.

[TysonLPrice]

That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it

[baka]

https://rumble.com/vtueni-dr.-robert...9-genetic.html

Dr. Robert Malone is a doctor and scientist. His mission is to ensure vaccine safety, make sure that children are protected, stop and/or limit vaccine mandates, identify and teach about lifesaving treatments for Covid-19 and other pandemics.

This is an edited segment from the weekly live General Assembly meeting on January 31, 2022.

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org

[Eduardo-]

If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it

What do you want to know?

[Steve R Jones]

NOTE - this thread is going to come to an end TODAY.... Say what you need to say and get it out of your system.

Other similar threads will not be allowed.

Posting links to other places where you can continue is suggested.

[Eduardo-]

OK, I will say: please don't delete it, just close it since there are lot of materials here that serves (at least for me) as a boomarks place.
If you decide to delete it, please allow some time to save the pages then.

Thank you.

Ps: and if you want to know what I think: it is censure and it is bad. But you are the chief, what can I say...
Bye.

[baka]

my last comment.

for people that are interested I suggest to follow:

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5

The Corona Committee was formed by four lawyers. It is conducting an evidence review of the Corona crisis and actions.

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org

The World Council for Health is a worldwide coalition of health-focused organizations and civil society groups that seek to broaden public health knowledge and sense-making through science and shared wisdom.

https://zeeemedia.com

Uncensored sources of information in Australia about Covid.

https://discord.gg/Zhx7aJZRMh

PandemicTalk: A place to continue the discussion and sharing of information, all are welcome and you can discuss anything, as long its not illegal and follow the rules of Discord

for the other:

this will be on your conscience, and you know who you are. right now you will not understand, but you will.

[Schmidt]

If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it

I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

[Eduardo-]

I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

Exactly Olaf 👌

[Eduardo-]

I created a Discord group for the ones that wish to keep talking about this subject.

[TysonLPrice]

Bye

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

You asked which of two types you were. In case anybody doubted, you have now clearly stated which camp you are in, which is the second one.

[Niya]

I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

I find it very interesting that this actually needs to be explained but I'm not surprised. Most people are completely oblivious to such agendas. I mean just look at the reaction I got when I suggested that Disney Star Wars had an agenda in this thread.

[Shaggy Hiker]

In the past, it was "obvious" to most people that the Earth was flat.
They could see and check by their own experience: the Earth was obviously flat, just look at the horizon and see the flatness for yourself.

That may have been the case at one time, but that time was before recorded history. The information may or may not have been lost a few times, but the Greeks calculated the circumference of the earth fairly accurately a few hundred years BC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

It's not clear whether he was the first to do so, or just the first recorded to do so. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Chinese did so, as well, or even the Egyptians. It's not totally clear that it was so difficult to figure out. Flat has problems. If the earth is round, then you have nothing to sphere but spheres themselves.

And so, I will leave it with a pun, but not an original one.

Sapator, I await your next election with considerable interest. We'll talk once it has passed. I believe you will be disappointed, but I'll be interested to hear your view on it, come what may.

[Niya]

NOTE - this thread is going to come to an end TODAY.... Say what you need to say and get it out of your system.

Other similar threads will not be allowed.

Posting links to other places where you can continue is suggested.

Sweet Jesus. How did we end up here?