Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[Eduardo-]

That's a silly question. Niya sasid, "Self interest governs every facet of human behavior." So what does "ruling the world" have to do with anything. There are 8 billion people on this world. Are they all evil selfish bastards? Are you?

Ah, sorry, I was not following the conversation, just answered to that message thinking that was related to the far context we were discussing in earlier messages.

About your question, if you really want me to enter this topic... it is somewhat hard to explain without going into really deep stuff (biblical).

But it is more or less like this: people, or at least most people, are not inherently bad. Most people want to be good and do good, and there are lot of people that care for others and so (like you said).
But nature is ruined, and environment (mostly "the world", things we are also talking about here) have also a negative impact on people. So, let's say that in general people have a lot of problems.

That's more or less an approximation to what I think.

But I don't want to interrupt.

[Eduardo-]

YOU are shaping the world, so long as you lean into it.

Are you a solipsist?

[Eduardo-]

Are you also shaping us?
Why don't you make us to leave all these "conspiracy theories" if you can shape the reality to whatever you want?

And this "stuff" is already happening without the Metaverse, so just imagine what that's gonna be.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm sloppy, does that count?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Are you also shaping us?

Yes, but I'm one of many. My contribution is pretty minor, but hopefully not utterly insignificant.

Why don't you make us to leave all these "conspiracy theories" if you can shape the reality to whatever you want?

It's not some magic, snap your fingers and make it so, kind of shaping. It's just that the world we live in is shaped by the actions of all the people in it. If enough people feel it is selfish, then it will become selfish. If enough people fear and distrust, then that will be the world we live in. It doesn't happen over night, but it does happen over time. We can tear down faster than we can build up, so we need to work more on the building up unless you prefer to live in the rubble.

And this "stuff" is already happening without the Metaverse, so just imagine what that's gonna be.

Don't need to. The Metaverse was largely a construct popularized in a book by Neal Stephenson called Snow Crash. I read that several years ago. As some people in the media have pointed out, the book is a dystopian novel, but people like Zuckerberg saw that and said, "yeah, that sounds cool, let's do that." Technically, the Metaverse part of the book isn't the dystopian part of the book. The Metaverse is kind of the place where people went to escape from the real world. It would be more like if we made The Matrix as a way to escape from the misery that we were experiencing in the real world.

One thing to note about the dystopian parts that people want to escape from, whether it is the real world of Snow Crash, or the real world of The Matrix, is that they are all very urban and industrial. We pretty much know what we do NOT like.

[Niya]

No it seems you just prefer to believe people are ugly.

Most of the people I've met are not consumed by selfishness. Most people to some degree genuinely care others. They do make a meaning difference.

If you get a flat tire, most people you meet will be willing to help you rather than rob you. If you ask a stranger for directions, he is more likely to help you than to ignore you. If you're a dollar short while at the cashier, most likely one of the other people in the line will contribute that dollar.

However, don't let any of this fool you into thinking that people are not self serving at their core. The reason you tend to receive kind gestures from others in common situations is because it costs nothing to do them but has the potential to pay off far more than it costs. It doesn't cost much to help a dude change a tire but if that dude turns out to be the owner of a business you're going to apply to for a job then that no cost act could bear enormous fruit. So even altruism is self-serving on some level. You watch someone else's back because you want them to watch your back, you don't watch their back simply because it's the right thing to do. Humans are not this selfless.

If you want a good idea of how I view human beings, check out a movie called Circle. This movie perfectly shows exactly how I see most people. They are good until being good becomes too costly.

[Eduardo-]

Yes, but I'm one of many. My contribution is pretty minor, but hopefully not utterly insignificant.

It seems to me that you don't realize the different between changing the world (shaping) and discovering first how it is now.

We are also "shaping the world", but first we need to find out how it is now (the raw material).

So, in that sense that you said now, we are doing the same thing.
The difference seems to be that you seems to think that you can also shape the "raw material" (the current reality) with your mind.

I think you are a bit deranged (*), BTW.

(*) or whatever is the right word in English for a person not mentally sound.

Don't need to. The Metaverse was largely a construct popularized in a book by Neal Stephenson

I think you are disinformed (like with everything else).
Metaverse is a real plan now. They are just using that name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gElfIo6uw4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49t0SEOVvyI

(I didn't watch those videos, I hope they are similar to other ones I already watched).

[wes4dbt]

It doesn't cost much to help a dude change a tire but if that dude turns out to be the owner of a business you're going to apply to for a job then that no cost act could bear enormous fruit. So even altruism is self-serving on some level.

So the reason someone helps you change a tire is they hope to benefit from it. There's no such thing of helping someone just because they need help. Must suck to be you.

I was just at the grocery store, I wanted a dozen eggs but could reach them. I asked a lady standing next to me if she would grab the eggs for me. She smiled and said sure, grabbed the eggs and even opened the pact to make sure none were cracked. I said thank and then we proceeded to talk about eggs and chickens for a couple of minutes. I doubt she thought she would benefit from helping me, she was just a nice and friendly person.

This is a very common type of encounter for me. I don't think she would take a bullet for me nor would I expect her to.

[baka]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7tBpLFnO11xx/

watching this series now. at ep3 the one I linked is about that big caravan with people from mexico walking toward USA.
it was all fake. and its shown in this video.
its not covid, but it show how much can we trust media?

[Eduardo-]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7tBpLFnO11xx/

watching this series now. at ep3 the one I linked is about that big caravan with people from mexico walking toward USA.
it was all fake. and its shown in this video.
its not covid, but it show how much can we trust media?

I found those videos some time ago.

Alien invasion?

Where are we going baka?

[Niya]

Let me address this too:-

They do make a meaning difference.

Famine:-


Wars:-


Child Soldiers:-


ISIS sex slaves:-


More famine:-






More wars:-




Tell the millions of people around the world who's daily lives are represented in one of more of these images about how much difference good people are making. It doesn't amount to a flea on a dog's ass.

[Eduardo-]

I think you are a bit deranged (*), BTW.

(*) or whatever is the right word in English for a person not mentally sound.

It is not to insult you. I really think that someone that is not able to differentiate reality from a mental construct have big issues.

IDK how to help, and IDK if you want any help either.
Most crazy people think they are OK.

I am OK...

[baka]

"alien" is immigrants. not really space aliens.

[Eduardo-]

"alien" is immigrants. not really space aliens.

OK, I'll have to give it another look, but I think when I did a couple of months ago I saw something about aliens or reptilian conspiracy or something like that and I quit watching (not sure now).

[baka]

yeah. first ep was a bit odd
but ep 2 made sense. and ep 3 was about manipulating with "pre planned" situations to control people. create polarization.
I think it will be one of those series that will mess with you.
this can not be real, most be fake, another conspiracy. and sometimes, well this is interesting, omg what is this?

but I will give it a try anyway, since there where some interesting things she said.
will of course not just believe in everything, I will do my own judgment about it.

ep 1 is at the bottom of the list
its a 10 part series, after that its the sequel, a 20 part series, also found in stopworldcontrol (that is why Im watching it, since I saw it there, but I wanted to watch the first 10 episodes first before watching the sequel)

[wes4dbt]

Tell the millions of people around the world who's daily lives are represented in one of more of these images about how much difference good people are making. It doesn't amount to a flea on a dog's ass.

Certainly you know of the UN World Food Program, Red Cross, Doctors without Border and on and on. I don't know the exact number of people these humanitarian organizations help but the WFP alone helps close to 100million. Add in local charities, food banks, churches... it has to add up 100's of millions of people lives are made better. There are a lot more that need help. We have so much more that needs to be achieved as humans. But for some reason you want to claim they don't make a difference. I disagree.

[Eduardo-]

yeah. first ep was a bit odd
but ep 2 made sense. and ep 3 was about manipulating with "pre planned" situations to control people. create polarization.
I think it will be one of those series that will mess with you.
this can not be real, most be fake, another conspiracy. and sometimes, well this is interesting, omg what is this?

but I will give it a try anyway, since there where some interesting things she said.
will of course not just believe in everything, I will do my own judgment about it.

ep 1 is at the bottom of the list
its a 10 part series, after that its the sequel, a 20 part series, also found in stopworldcontrol (that is why Im watching it, since I saw it there, but I wanted to watch the first 10 episodes first before watching the sequel)

OK, I bookmarket it, thanks. I'm not sure if I'll have time to watch it in the next days, but I'll do when I can.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I think you are a bit deranged (*), BTW.

(*) or whatever is the right word in English for a person not mentally sound.

That's fine, I feel the same of you.

I think you are disinformed (like with everything else).
Metaverse is a real plan now. They are just using that name.

Nope, it's on you. Those videos are about current stuff. Snow Crash was published in 1992. If you can find some evidence that the book is NOT what Zuckerberg (and others) based the Metaverse concept on, I'd be interested in seeing that, since it has been reported that the book IS the inspiration for the Metaverse.

[Eduardo-]

That's fine, I feel the same of you.

As I said, that was not to insult you.

Someone that is not able to differentiate reality from a mental construct is in trouble. You should seek for help IMO.

[Eduardo-]

It is harder "to shape the world" to whatever you want with us, because we are writing here and can write things that are not according to what you want to shape, but it is very easy to do it regarding billionaires, because if you want "to shape" that they are all very nice people, they do nothing but good to humanity, none of them will come here to say anything. In first place because they don't know about this discussion, in second place because even if they knew, they don't care, and in third place, because if they came here to say something, they would say: you are right, we are all very nice people.

So, you are not really shaping anything, you are simply fooling yourself.

[Eduardo-]

I don't know what to say Shaggy Hiker, but no, it is not possible to shape reality.
Reality is what it is, independently of what anybody thinks. Nobody can "shape" reality.

That's is something... not normal way of thinking.
It is important to know what is real and what is not real.

[Niya]

Certainly you know of the UN World Food Program, Red Cross, Doctors without Border and on and on. I don't know the exact number of people these humanitarian organizations help but the WFP alone helps close to 100million. Add in local charities, food banks, churches... it has to add up 100's of millions of people lives are made better. There are a lot more that need help. We have so much more that needs to be achieved as humans. But for some reason you want to claim they don't make a difference. I disagree.

Wow. I see the problem now. You drank the Kool Aid

Charities and organizations like the Red Cross are not new things. They pretty much have always existed, even if called different things. You would think that famines, wars, sex trafficking etc would all be solved by now with the amount of time they have invested in fighting the problem, but it's not. There are still famines, wars etc.

These organizations are not making a difference. Picture a sinking ship. These organizations, assuming they are completely altruistic and not corrupt, are the equivalent to a bunch of people with buckets bailing out water. They don't make much of a difference, they just make the ship go down slower. The real solution is to fix the ship. If people really cared as much as you believe, they would fix the ship instead of committing themselves to perpetually bailing out water.

Let's look at famine for a moment. There are more than enough resources on the planet to solve this yet it hasn't been solved. This is because not enough people care and also because not enough people that matter care. Do you honestly believe that the powerful elite of the world can't solve famine? They can but they won't. They are driven primarily by self interest. This is the truth of the world.

[wes4dbt]

Wow. I see the problem now. You drank the Kool Aid

Charities and organizations like the Red Cross are not new things. They pretty much have always existed, even if called different things. You would think that famines, wars, sex trafficking etc would all be solved by now with the amount of time they have invested in fighting the problem, but it's not. There are still famines, wars etc.

These organizations are not making a difference. Picture a sinking ship. These organizations, assuming they are completely altruistic and not corrupt, are the equivalent to a bunch of people with buckets bailing out water. They don't make much of a difference, they just make the ship go down slower. The real solution is to fix the ship. If people really cared as much as you believe, they would fix the ship instead of committing themselves to perpetually bailing out water.

Let's look at famine for a moment. There are more than enough resources on the planet to solve this yet it hasn't been solved. This is because not enough people care and also because not enough people that matter care. Do you honestly believe that the powerful elite of the world can't solve famine? They can but they won't. They are driven primarily by self interest. This is the truth of the world.

What a bizarre reply.

Who said charities were new. Who said charities are the solution. I didn't state any opinion on what causes the problems of the world. It was a simple statement of I think there are people that care and try to help others and their efforts make a difference. If you don't think providing food, clothes, medical treatments for 100's of million of people makes a difference then I'll say no more to you about it.

[baka]

this topics u have now, about organizations, omg, you need to watch: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ws4fMTn6yNc7/
that I linked last page.
it is exactly about that. it show (real footage) of people in organizations that are all about "helping" that instead are used to do the opposite.

it is not uncommon that you get a "new virus outbreak", when help organizations encamp in a region. like recent Haiti, after the disaster.
the help organization did have a research tent, with dangerous virus and bacteria that leaked to a river and infected people.
a sane person would ask. why do put a research tent in a disaster zone, and with viruses/bacteria, for what? to do research? was not the reason they got there to help the people?

another one, in episode 3/4 was about sex trafficking, and especially about kids, that the organization that should help kids, instead kidnapped them.
unbelievable, but you can see in the footage, many people got arrested, and it seems its vast, connecting many people on high positions. terrifying.

what Im trying to say is that not everything is what it seems to be.
if media is creating fake news, without any problem everywhere in the world, you need to be aware that you can not just believe in everything it says.

[wes4dbt]

what Im trying to say is that not everything is what it seems to be.
if media is creating fake news, without any problem everywhere in the world, you need to be aware that you can not just believe in everything it says.

I don't know anyone who believe everything is what is seems to be. I don't know anyone that believes everything the media say. But I do know a lot of people that choose to believe the things that fit their view of the world.

I know that charities aren't all good people but I also know millions of peoples lives are better because of them. Probably million of lives are saved because of them. I don't want to debate the numbers, I'm just glad for any help they provide for people in need. I'm grateful for the kindness I see in people on a daily basis.

[baka]

of course, humans are not just rotten people. there are a lot of good people doing a lot of good.

the question is not that. to claim that humans are all evil.
but that theres an entity, organisation, group, u name it, that are doing evil things behind our backs.
creating fake news, controlling media, controlling politicians, companies etc.

thats the important thing. to be aware of that, so you have that "critical mind" to not just "believe" in the narrative from the media tells you. to be open minded.

this is the whole reason why we are not united. some people choose to believe and some choose to not believe.
and actually I dont want that, I want to believe in the media. that we all get the same information, only truth and nothing else.
but unfortunately they have showed to not be trusted.
the same with politicians, telling lies after lies after lies until theres no more trust. and why should I believe in them during the corona crisis? they have been lying the whole time and now suddenly they are honest?

so, I want to use the same "critical thinking" with the corona crisis. I don't want to swallow what the government is telling me. because if theres corruption behind it, I want to be sure.
and after research, looking around, talking to people, experience it myself, and more research, looking at data etc, Im now here, in this position that the whole thing is dirty. really dirty. and its scary.

[Eduardo-]

There is literally a sea of conspiracy theories.
There is "another internet" out there.

When you realize that Google and all mayor media is hiding all this content from us, what is easy to discover and prove, it opens the door to all this.

One portal to that underground content seems to be https://www.bitchute.com/
But there are any kind of things, like https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

You don't know what to believe any more.

Because if our society is so much in hands of these criminal organizations, any of this may be true.
I'm a bit overwhelmed with all this stuff (and with little time right now).

The world seems to be working in another level that normal people like us have no idea.
The problem is that now there is a contact, a close contact, because we are seeing some things they are doing, like enforcing vaccination, that are affecting to us.
And now people like us, that otherwise would have stayed "sleeping well", is starting to ask questions and researching.

[baka]

most be the equivalent law.
it says that everything need to even out.
so there can not be one energy without the counter part.

so if this apply here. if theres an evil organization, there need to be a counter part for that.
that gives me hope. that is not just darkness, theres also light.

that is why its important to wake up, to look around, to be curious, to not accept the narrative, but to question it, to look at all sides, to dare to change perspective, to read something uncomfortable.

to always seek after the truth, no matter what.

[TysonLPrice]

A nice fever can be quite entertaining.

Are you really "pitching" that?

[Niya]

What a bizarre reply.

Who said charities were new. Who said charities are the solution. I didn't state any opinion on what causes the problems of the world. It was a simple statement of I think there are people that care and try to help others and their efforts make a difference. If you don't think providing food, clothes, medical treatments for 100's of million of people makes a difference then I'll say no more to you about it.

Ok let me simplify it. The world was built and is governed by the self interest of a few very powerful people. A charity here and a kind act there doesn't change that. The people that win in the world are the people that put themselves first. The wars, famines etc are a direct result of this. Anecdotal evidence of kindness doesn't change the fact that people in general only care about themselves. And kindness certainly doesn't drive the people that run the world.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's a very negative view. In the arc of history, we have become less tribal, less brutal, and so on. Sure, there are people who can gain great advantage by using the rules to their advantage, or breaking the rules, and usually a bit of both. But most countries have gotten better when you look over hundreds of years. That isn't happening due to the sum of all the people doing bad things, it's due to the sum of all the people doing things that are on average a bit better than their parents. There's plenty of evidence over the centuries, that the belief in a dark force pulling the strings, is nothing new...and yet the arc of history is still bending towards good.

That arc can only exist is people are trying to make the world a better place, since we all know that there are people pushing in the opposite direction.

[wes4dbt]

That arc can only exist is people are trying to make the world a better place, since we all know that there are people pushing in the opposite direction.

So it's an "arc". All this time I thought it was the "Force". lol

I do enjoy reading your views. You have a unique way of explaining them.

[Niya]

That's a very negative view. In the arc of history, we have become less tribal, less brutal, and so on. Sure, there are people who can gain great advantage by using the rules to their advantage, or breaking the rules, and usually a bit of both. But most countries have gotten better when you look over hundreds of years. That isn't happening due to the sum of all the people doing bad things, it's due to the sum of all the people doing things that are on average a bit better than their parents. There's plenty of evidence over the centuries, that the belief in a dark force pulling the strings, is nothing new...and yet the arc of history is still bending towards good.

That arc can only exist is people are trying to make the world a better place, since we all know that there are people pushing in the opposite direction.

Ok look. I like you guys and know that what I'm about to say is nothing personal. It is not intended as an attack or anything like that. However, what I'm going to talk about will be a bit personal to me. My hand are literally shaking while writing this because I simply cannot believe how blind some of you are to reality.

You guys are overly naive about how the world really functions and just how treacherous the world really is. I live in a 3rd world country. I don't live in some nice utopia like some of you where you believe in things like the rule of law and the general good of humanity. Now don't get me wrong, I'm happy to live where I live and my life and my environment is not perfect but it's home. I don't think I'd want to live anywhere else. That being said, the level of naivety you guys seem to have just won't fly over here. Now I could talk about the numerous problems we have in our own country but what I really want to talk about is what your countries are really doing in the world.

You guys have no idea how treacherous your countries(US, China, other first world nations really are). An entire novel could be written on this alone. I'll give one example. The USA is in some kind of economic cold war with one of our neighbors. Now we are an ally of the United States. We have an extradition treaty with them. We do trade with them. But make no mistake, they have no problem pushing their weight around for their own selfish reasons. The most recent I could think of was being ordered by the US not to enter into an oil deal with this neighbor that would could have alleviated a lot of economic problems for us. We have nothing to do with their problems but because the US has a problem with them, we are forced to tow the line, even to our own detriment. You think the US is going to compensate us for any potential losses? Hell no. And what do you think will happen to us if our government chose to defy the US for our own benefit? At best, we end up like Cuba or at worst, they send warships down here and make up some garbage to justify military action to the American public and the world at large. Anyone remember Iraq? Where were the WMDs?

To touch on the present briefly, right now we are being flooded with refugees thanks to economic interference by the United State's Cental Intelligence Agency in the region that destroyed our neighbor economically and socially. Our economy is now suffering because of something we have nothing to do with. Do you think our so-called ally, the US is helping us with the situation? Hell no. They could care less. They come here, do what they want and then leave. They don't care about the damage they cause. So don't you guys dare tell me about my negative views. We are living a reality you guys only see in movies and 5 minute clips on CNN.

I could go on and on about all the **** we have been forced to eat down here because we are too small a country to fight back against the big powers of the world that have interests in the region. This is why when I read what you and west4dbt write, all I could think is you guys really do not have a clue. You guys are incredibly naive. I don't blame you. How could you possibly know what your countries are really doing half way around the world. CNN would have you believe that the US is the shining beacon of freedom and justice in the world......GARBAGE. JUST PURE RUBBISH!!!

I'm honestly happy that you guys live in a society that shelters you enough to have such an optimistic outlook. I really am and I hope you guys know how lucky you are to have that. Do not take it for granted.

.....

PS. This is probably the most emotional post I've ever written online. Now I need to calm down. Talking about this got me so angry.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Umm, do you really think that is a surprise? Why bother writing a book about it, just read one. How about...what was the title....I think it was "Americas Savage Wars of Peace", or perhaps that was the subtitle. It was about all the little wars, invasions, overthrows, and the like that were conducted against central and south American countries by the US for decades from the vicinity of the Civil War (1800s) up into WW II. There was even a manual written as to how to conduct such wars. One of the points of the book was that the manual was lost in the 1940s, people were replaced, moved on, and so forth, and some of that was the reason for Vietnam.

One could go further back than the Civil War, as the Monroe Doctrine is older, and the Mexican-American War predated the Civil War by a bit, but the Monroe Doctrine was a toothless principle at the time it was stated. We didn't even HAVE a navy, at the time, so we could say whatever we wanted, but had no means to put it into practice. The only advantage we had was a shorter supply line. The Mexican-American War was a sketchier endeavor, as well, though what it really did was train a bunch of officers who then led both armies in the Civil War. It wasn't until after that war that we had a real army and navy, though even then, they weren't considered all that impressive.

Your neighbor, I would assume, is Venezuela. That country has an interesting impact on US politics, as well. It was fairly frequently suggested that fear of what happened in Venezuela was what caused Trump to win Florida in both 2016 and 2020 (though especially the latter).

So, yeah, we probably aren't as ignorant as you think. We're well aware that we talk a good line and don't live up to it. Liberals complain about that pretty constantly. Criticism of the failings of the US to live up to its purported standards is one of the things that conservatives get worked up about. When Trump said "Make America Great Again", it was partly "stop saying bad things about the US", and he wasn't talking about you. He doesn't care what you say.

It also has nothing much to do with the arc of history that I mentioned, because if you go back two hundred years, we were worse off than pretty nearly any nation in the world today.

I've stated several times on here that I'm well aware that I'm in about the least discriminated against segment of the population that has ever lived. You do realize that to recognize that I also have to acknowledge that anybody in the other categories get plenty of discrimination, right? I'm well aware of my good fortune. You even objected to me attributing that good fortune to those around me, and the people who know me rather than to my actions.

So, what do you want? Should we burn down the world till we're all at your level? Should I say that my life sucks just because somebody else has it worse? I'm not unaware of your situation. You've been crapped on, and you crap on other people. Guess what, not all lives are like yours. Those lives are just as real to the people living them as yours is to you. So what can we possibly DO about it?

[Niya]

This is a little too personal for me and as I said I like you guys. I've always liked you Shaggy and I do not want to have a falling out with you over this. You're one of the most reasonable people here and one of the nicest people I have ever met online. So before this gets out of hand, I would say one last thing on this. Reading about it and living it are two completely different things.

As for what I want you guys to do about it? Nothing. No one can do anything about it. What sticks in my craw is when you guys try to paint this rosy picture of the world and the nature of people that I know for a fact is pure fantasy.

So, yeah, we probably aren't as ignorant as you think. We're well aware that we talk a good line and don't live up to it

There are things CNN won't tell you and things you won't find on Wikipedia. You have no idea about the extent of things you don't know. But I'll leave it there.

[wes4dbt]

I've stated several times on here that I'm well aware that I'm in about the least discriminated against segment of the population that has ever lived. You do realize that to recognize that I also have to acknowledge that anybody in the other categories get plenty of discrimination, right? I'm well aware of my good fortune. You even objected to me attributing that good fortune to those around me, and the people who know me rather than to my actions.

I get the impression from several people that by acknowledging the good then your not capable of recognizing the bad or you don't know about the bad things. It's flawed logic.

Oh and one their favorites, your views are shaped by CNN and Wikipedia. lol

[dilettante]

I think it is a consequence of wealth concentration more than politics, though year by year the two have become more indistinguishable. You can go back to any era though and not find many differences except perhaps in degree.

Wealth is power and as we've known for ages power corrupts.

[Shaggy Hiker]

The problem is that it IS a rosy picture for a significant portion of the world. Everybody thinks their problems are bad, some people are objectively right. But for hundreds of millions out of the billions of people in the world, things aren't all that bad. A bunch of those people do try to make things better for the rest, they just aren't all that effective at it.

Dandelions are a plant in the US that people try to eradicate from their lawns in the nicer suburbs. But dandelions have one notable characteristic: They green up VERY early in the spring. Opinions about the humble dandelion were a whole lot different perhaps only 100 years back in the US. The reason was that it was the first green food that a lot of people were able to get in the spring. They were an important source of essential nutrients and vitamins after a lean winter. Though I've had dandelions (they taste like a gritty spinach, to me), I tend to get those nutrients and vitamins from the store. That just shows that it isn't all that long ago that things weren't so good here, either. My grandmother used to club porcupines for the $0.25/head bounty.

The fact that hundreds of years ago was more brutal, and hundreds of years hence may be better, doesn't change a thing for anybody alive today.

[Schmidt]

I think it is a consequence of wealth concentration more than politics...

Yep, and the concentrations we see today, are what's causing "all the weird things" we encounter recently.

Capitalism as a system-approach only works well, when politics and "the law" -
can manage to limit such money-concentration...
(putting a cap on it, so that "a bunch of smaller and mid-sized companies" are basically "all there is" in the "money-hierarchy")

The same "caps and laws" being in place, when it comes to "the banking-system".

And sure, that was recognized - and "anti-monopoly"-institutions were put in place -
and it worked for a while (up into the late 50's, I guess) - and the approach died
basically at the point, where JFK was taken out...

So there seems to be a "rule" here, that capitalism due to its inherent nature,
will inevitably produce these "large enough concentrations", which will corrupt and twist
this approach (the one "most in line with human nature"), into an abomination at some point.

That's "old news" - and basically what the works of Marx -
(who was basically an economist, more than a philosopher or revolutionary) -
have pointed out (that "unlimited growth" will cause "unlimited concentration of money" -
and in the end "unlimited corruption" ... (it's systemic, and as said, inevitable).

And well, growing up in a "socialist country" (eastern germany),
the alternative "systemic approaches" do not seem to work that well either -
(mostly because also here, where basically everything is owned by - and in the responsibility of "the state",
we have "one big money-concentration" - usually along with "a single party", which sits on it.

<sigh>
So, along comes Mr Schwab and the "World-Economic-Forum" - offering "their solution".
- encouraging "the elite" (politicians included), to "embrace that concentration of money and power"
- to embrace the idea of the eradication of the entire middle-class
- along with a "media-bombarded, brainwashed MOB" who's weak, uneducated and "happy to own nothing"

I've looked at a few of the recorded "Zoom-sessions" on their site -
and am (after watching 2 or 3 of them) sick to my stomach, because the "global corps" -
(including the "global media-corps") seem to "eat it all up".

So, other than was stated here (by Shaggy, I think):
- "the lobbies" are definitely not "balancing themselves out" (drawing on strings in opposite directions)
- nope, they are "united behind the Schwab-banner"
- and there's an enormous amount of communication and coordination going on behind the scenes

Not sure, what can be done about all that (regarding: "splitting up these money-concentrations") -
because this seems a nearly impossible task, because they are that big, that a single government can do nothing about it...
(the "If you go through with that, then I'm outa here (of this country)"-card is in the meantime far too easy to play for the big corps).

Olaf

[digitalShaman]

Ahh, we are now entering interesting waters and this topic may well be the root cause for all this madness we are currently going through. The great reset. The current financial system is at the end of its lifespan. Does anybody really think that all the country debt can be paid back at some point in the future? The system was close to its collapse shortly before the pandemic and only by “printing” huge amounts of new money, allegedly to soften the impact of the pandemic, it was possible to buy some more time.
The fiat monetary system, implemented by Nixon unilaterally, is the reason for prospering 1st worlds and suffering 3rd worlds. If we, the 1st worlds, would pay other countries in fair money, we would, over time, lower our living standards and improving theirs.
Some theories also link the aforementioned JFK assassination with Executive Order 11110 which is about silver certificates.
At the time Nixon abandoned the gold standard, the US had probably printed a lot more dollars than they had gold in their reserves and thus cheating on every other nation that parted in Bretton Woods. The rest of the world accepted this with gritted teeth.