VAERS DOESN'T SAY ANYONE HAS DIED FROM THE VACCINE.
This is what they say,
When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.
"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.
A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
Everyone who got the vaccine will die some time afterwards. Everyone who didn't get vaccinated will die some time in the future.
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It's not my conclusion and the article says "likely".
Just take it on with your doctors not me but I believe even if it is true you will still be in denial as you cleverly ignored any other link. So be it.
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That's all pretty much anti-math. Even if we take that "possible that 50,000 Americans have been killed by the vaccine" as being true, we also have somewhere over 500,000 who have been killed by COVID, regardless of how badly you count. So, even in the worst case scenario that the report is actually true, we'd STILL be better off vaccinating.
However, that article is nonsense anyways, and I have no hope for the others, either. It's a case of having a result you want to reach and massaging some data to show that. I remember a similar campaign regarding the stock market....but I suppose the analogy is too US-specific to be worth repeating, as the argument was based on the DOW, which is a US stock market metric that may not mean anything to anybody else. Had I actually listened to that, I would be a whole lot poorer, but fortunately, I knew enough about math to realize that the advice was based on seriously specious interpretation of the data.
One thing that I found amusing from the first link was the bit about 4,000 people have already died after receiving the vaccine. There have been several hundred million doses of the vaccines administered in the US alone. I've got some bad news, in case you haven't heard it: ALL of those people will die in the next 80-100 years, almost certainly. Of course, most of the unvaccinated people will also die in the next 80-100 years, but as it turns out, there will be more unvaccinated people who will NOT die in that time than vaccinated people.
I hope I don't have to explain that there's a reason for that which has nothing to do with the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
That's all pretty much anti-math. Even if we take that "possible that 50,000 Americans have been killed by the vaccine" as being true, we also have somewhere over 500,000 who have been killed by COVID, regardless of how badly you count. So, even in the worst case scenario that the report is actually true, we'd STILL be better off vaccinating.
An you are OK with that?! You really are OK with that?
500,000 is also nonsense , they where counting even a bike accident to covid. But still better off vaccinating, wow... OK no problem, I'm in Athens for 2 days will be going to the sea soon, the sun the sea the food the girls the parties. CU.
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Originally Posted by sapator
500,000 is also nonsense , they where counting even a bike accident to covid. But still better off vaccinating, wow... OK no problem, I'm in Athens for 2 days will be going to the sea soon, the sun the sea the food the girls the parties. CU.
No, they were not. One could argue about the 500,000, since it is now June of 2021, but if you look at the total number of deaths in the US according to the CDC for 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020, you see the death rate going up by roughly 20,000 each year...until 2020, when it went up by nearly 400,000. The increase in the total deaths in the preceding years is understandable, since the US population is aging as the baby boom generation is getting kind of long of tooth, these days. We also have a declining life expectancy, probably due to our collective weight, but possibly also due to increasing stress. However, it's hard to explain away that jump from 20,000 to 400,000 by any means other than COVID. Oddly, the death count due to COVID by the CDC for 2020 matches the change in total deaths for the year. It's almost as if they weren't lying.
As for being OK with that, what in the world are you talking about??? Are you suggesting that 500,000 is less than 50,000?
Sure, you don't believe the 500,000 and you do believe the 50,000. If you look into the data, the 500,000 stands up because it explains the sudden jump in total deaths (or at least for 2020, it does, since the total deaths aren't reported for 2021 for obvious reasons). If you look at the 50,000, it's an extrapolation off of a laughably coincidental number (people die after vaccinations...cause people die, the number killed by the vaccines is pretty much zero, aside from allergic reactions). Still, if you feel that the 500,000 should be 0, and the 50,000 is correct, then you'd be right: I wouldn't be okay with that. If you recognize that the 500,000 figure is supported by multiple lines of calculation, and also believe the 50,000 is correct, then you'd be wrong: I would still support something that saved 90% of people who would otherwise die. If you recognize that the 500,000 figure is supported, and also believe, as I do, that the 50,000 figure should be far below 1,000, and possible below 100, then you'd also be wrong: Why would I NOT support that?
I will also add that you have shown that Greece didn't have the death rate that the US had. For you, doubting mortality numbers does make sense. You had no increase in total mortality. That's not the case in the US. You've just been lucky in that way, but it doesn't mean that other countries were equally lucky.
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I misplaced a zero. Thought you wrote 5mil and copy pasted the rate.
Even worse.What I asked is that in a theoretic scenario it is OK to vaccinate and accept 50,000 vaccine deaths for a flu virus.
I am bored to death to search the same VAERS source to find the "fake" vaccine death of other vaccines in accordance to the "fake" covid deaths but if I remember correctly the "fake" other vaccines deaths added all 15 or 30 years of cases are lower than the "fake" covid deaths. So even if the numbers are fake, they are fake for both cases.
So the scenario is total covid "fake" vaccine deaths are all the previous 15 or 30 years "fake" deaths of other vaccines. I hope now the VAERS numbers are not correct for the non covid and fake for the covid vaccines but I'm prepared to read that also.
Fake * fake = true
I think I'm covered.
Ah, also view the other links of your doctor on drugs if you like.
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I am bored to death to search the same VAERS source to find the "fake" vaccine death of other vaccines in accordance to the "fake" covid deaths but if I remember correctly the "fake" other vaccines deaths added all 15 or 30 years of cases are lower than the "fake" covid deaths.
The VAERS numbers CAN'T be fake because the VAERS system make no judgement on the reported deaths. They don't say anything.
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Same. The don't say anything non covid vaccines vs the don't say anything covid vaccines.
Just say you don't trust VAERS on anything. That should cover it.
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Originally Posted by sapator
Same. The don't say anything non covid vaccines vs the don't say anything covid vaccines.
Just say you don't trust VAERS on anything. That should cover it.
Yeah I honestly don't know what the purpose of VAERS is. Anyone can just enter information. There is no data verification. The data seems meaningless.
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Yeah I honestly don't know what the purpose of VAERS is
It's a useful data source but needs to be seen for what it is. It's a big bucket that anyone can lob a pebble into that says "I've had a vaccine recently and I've now got some symptom". It doesn't validate that the report is true. It doesn't validate that the report is not being submitted times. It doesn't validate that the symptom is in any way a result of the vaccine.
It's useful because researchers can look for patterns that might require further empirical research to examine whether there's a causative link - that's a VERY useful function. The problem is that those with an agenda want to use the data as a proof of a causative link before that research is done.
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A sieve working off a data dredge. I've written one of those, but decided not to release it. While it was useful for finding things worth studying further, I knew people would try to use it's results as if they had meaning. It's not true, but you can't convince people of that, even if they are reasonably familiar with statistics.
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Yes but if you accept it as a anonymous study guide , you either accept the fact that this study shows that 30 years of vaccination led to less death that covid vaccines or that the results on both cases are crumbled , it's one or the other.
I just show that after astra they are thinking of pushing out of the market pfizer but I'm not sure if that is valid, as I have very limited internet here and I get tons of lag, so I tent to use it as little as possible.
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Originally Posted by sapator
Yes but if you accept it as a anonymous study guide , you either accept the fact that this study shows that 30 years of vaccination led to less death that covid vaccines or that the results on both cases are crumbled , it's one or the other.
I just show that after astra they are thinking of pushing out of the market pfizer but I'm not sure if that is valid, as I have very limited internet here and I get tons of lag, so I tent to use it as little as possible.
Actually, that result is not what you get from that data. The only thing that you can take from the data is a correlation, but there is fair reason to believe the correlation is an auto-correlation, which would be just short of meaningless. After all, for the 30 years of vaccinations, it stands to reason that there have been millions of deaths, it's just that they weren't reported to VAERS for a couple different reasons. The simplest, and most amusing, reason is that people who die tend not to report their cause of death, but more seriously, you might say:
1) VAERS hasn't been well known...EVER, though it also hasn't been around in this form for 30 years. This means that reporting on past cases will be far less, or even absent entirely.
2) VAERS is correlational by nature. This means that there is no cause and effect between the vaccine and the symptom, only the assumption of one. This has a perverse impact, because if people are more alarmed about a vaccine, they are more likely to attribute ANY following event to the vaccine, related or not.
3) The COVID vaccine is VERY well known, with lots of passions on all sides. This means that people are far more likely to report symptoms to VAERS than they would have for vaccines that have been around for a very long time.
You might be able to get at some of those by looking at the reporting by year for different vaccines. For example, I would be surprised if the tetanus shot showed much of anything. I would expect it to have zero reports before VAERS was a thing, a low number of reports as the VAERS system went online, with that group slowly rising due to the rising awareness of VAERS (as opposed to a change in the symptoms resulting from the tetanus shot), and then I would expect that level to plateau. If a similar pattern were shown for other common childhood vaccines, then that might be the baseline. You might then compare that baseline against other common childhood vaccines to see whether there was some issue with them. Those that plateaued at a higher level might be ones that warranted further investigation. That would mean nothing for the COVID vaccines, though, because of the far greater publicity and emotion surrounding them.
Another interesting one to look at for a baseline would be rabies. Considering that the untreated fatality rate is so close to 100% as makes no difference, I would expect that the VAERS system might have no reports at all. Considering that you are more likely to survive shooting yourself in the head than not treating rabies (that's true, as you have SOME chance of surviving shooting yourself in the head), people may well dismiss any side effects as being irrelevant.
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VAERS started in 1990 and is used from both FDA and CDC so I would think data from 1990 vs 1 year of data to be higher. But if you say that it was not used, well, OK, I'm willing to think that you have valid sources for that but I would think that FDA ad CDC would much rather prefer to conceal cases rather than putting them on VAERS on the other hand, I'm might be thinking the Greek Government mentality, that they actually doing that.
Childhood vaccines have been tested for years before getting to the entire population, so there is minimal danger getting something serious, on the other had covid vaccines are conditional and are tested right now on you(plural), so there is no comparison.
Also you might want to take a look at the previous youtube video about drugs.
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Yeah, I had never even heard of VAERS until recently. No one I know was aware of it. If it was just the FDA or CDC that was entering data into VAERS then I would give it some merit, but now that the site has become so well known and is open to anyone, the data needs to be validated before it has any meaning. That hasn't been done.
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We've been warned about record setting heat for the last week. It begins tomorrow, and the forecast isn't getting any better. To be clear, the records would be for this early in the year. We're only going to see between 105 and 110, which I don't think is our all time high, just a high for June. Even Seattle is supposed to top 100, which is kind of funny. After all, they can't just go jump in the ocean...or at least not for long. The north Pacific NEVER gets warm. Their glacial-fed rivers tend to be kind of opaque, too.
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Well we've been getting a lot of rain and right now we're under a tornado watch through late tonight. Places have received 3, 4, even 5 inches of rain so we have flood watches too.
Those flooding conditions are more "water over roads in low spots" along with ponding in yards that might lead to water in basements. We rarely get "real" flooding though it has happened in my lifetime. I remember one instance where my house was surrounded by water and I was dealing with several inches of water in the basement.
Temps run around 75F with humidity at 85 to 95% right now. Not hot, but not that comfortable.
It sounds like time might be up for Australia. Fairly low vaccination rates so far, sneering at masking abounds, and Delta outbreaks are now leading to lockdowns. They and NZ are like dry brush just awaiting a spark. Sad, because they had taken steps to limit travel early which had kept them safe and that gave them plenty of time to get vaccinated.
Supply was probably a factor. They started brewing some Oxford-AZN vaccine but now they only give it to those over 60 because of the blood clot issue. Between its side effects and relative ineffectiveness... the Brits have a lot of egg on their faces.
The Delta Crud is nasty. So highly transmissible that it can readily spread outdoors.
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Delta might be more transmissible as they say but it's less dangerous and most of the populated planet is on summer so for now they cannot start terror spread.
I believe by "outdoors" you mean on close people encounters. Flu viruses cannot "fly"
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Most of the populated planet, sure, but...those antipodean folks are heading into winter.
We won't hit 41 until mid-week from the sound of it. Humidity will probably be down around 15%, though. The electric company is suggesting people go out and have a BBQ...while turning off their TVs, computers, A/C, and oddly enough, their irrigation. I can't figure out that last one. I have one friend who uses a pump from a local canal-like thing for irrigation, so he directly uses electricity, but lots of people out here still have flood irrigation (totally gravity driven), pressurized irrigation (including me), or municipal water. For either of the latter two, there is electricity involved, but only at the municipal level to keep the water pressure up. If everybody stopped irrigating, would it really save all that much? I wouldn't think so, and it will save even less if compliance is only voluntary (and people are as baffled by that request as I am).
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Just went through some intense rain, and tornado warnings. Quite a string of rotation cells and a few funnels caught on camera but relatively low damage, mainly trees and power lines from wind plus some roads closed due to flooding. Whipped through fast so I've already come up from the basement and unpacked my bug-out bag. More rain coming later, and we'll see about severe weather.
Perhaps you've watched this already:
She mentions cases where the fungalitis was spread outdoors just by walking past other people.
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Yeah last week we were suppose to be 109 - 110 but we got to maybe 106. Starting to think the weather forecasters are starting to be just like all other reporters and purposefully over hype the situation. Doesn't matter to me if it gets 110. meh lol My house will be between 75 to 76, 24/7, from now till October. If my AC breaks my attitude would change quickly. Fill sorry for places like San Francisco or Seattle when they have a heat wave, lots of their houses don't have AC. They really suffer.
The pace at which the virus gained ground has caught the authorities by surprise. Sergey Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow, which has once again quickly become the country’s coronavirus hotspot, said that the situation is “rapidly deteriorating,” and that the sudden rise in cases was “quite unexpected” given previously estimated levels of immunity in the population.
Vaccine hesitancy has long been the Achilles’ heel of the country’s pandemic response. While many of its measures appeared to have contained the spread of the virus, Russia has some of the highest levels of skepticism about jabs of anywhere in the world. Data from research firm Morning Consult, based on 75,000 weekly interviews with people across the globe, found Russians were more cautious about vaccines than anywhere else surveyed, with more than half of respondents unwilling or uncertain about getting the jab.
Whether the tough new measures will work and whether they can be enforced in the long-term remains to be seen. However, things could once again be taking a turn for the worse before many of the rules even come into force. On Friday, Ministry of Health official Daria Danilenko confirmed that the country’s first case of the newly-evolved ‘Delta Plus’ variant had been detected.
Health officials appear to understand that beating the virus is only possible with mass-immunizations, and are now throwing everything at pushing people into signing up. The question is whether they can succeed before hospitals are overwhelmed.
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I've only been to California, mmm, 5 times. Mostly LA/OC, San Diego, and San Jose on business but I did take one pleasure trip coming in at Needles and then through the southern interior and down into Tijuana. So there's a vast portion I've never experienced in person. Saw my first cougar driving up Mt. Palomar to the observatory once.
It's a big country though and hard to get the chance to see even a large fraction unless you travel for a living. Throw in Canada and Mexico and there is so much you can just drive to. I don't think I've been aboard a plane in forever, maybe 2008?
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41.
Of course the weather is dry so we don't fell that muddy slug in our body but is still hot.
Greece has both earthquakes and fires every year but we are used to it.
Most of the fires last couple of years started from Government paid ruffians so they can next de-characterize the forest zone and install wind generators made in Germany.
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We have fires, and normally no earthquakes...though there was a 6.5 last year, which was the first one I have ever felt.
We had one fire started the classic way: A teenage fire fighter who wanted to spend more time with his fire fighter father. Seriously. Hollywood should make a movie out of it. Other than that, the local fires tend to be started by the most common cause: Stupidity. One guy decided that it was a good idea to set off fireworks, another decided to burn his toilet paper while on a bike ride. Considering the hills around here are now so brown they are like giant signs saying, "light me", anybody doing anything with fire isn't thinking. Another common source is people who get a flat on their trailers and don't notice until the rim is dragging on the pavement, at which point they can light numerous fires along the road, depending on how far they drive before they notice the problem.
And then there's dry lightning, but we haven't had any storms in a while.
On the other hand, we're overdue for a volcano, which would REALLY make the news, if it happened. Craters of the Moon is a rift that opens up and spews lava roughly every 10,000 years. It's overdue. Since it's a very gentle kind of volcano, it would be a serious tourist attraction. Much like Hawaiian volcanoes, if that started up, you'd be able to watch it from a reasonable distance.
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Originally Posted by dilettante
I've only been to California, mmm, 5 times. Mostly LA/OC, San Diego, and San Jose on business but I did take one pleasure trip coming in at Needles and then through the southern interior and down into Tijuana. So there's a vast portion I've never experienced in person. Saw my first cougar driving up Mt. Palomar to the observatory once.
It's a big country though and hard to get the chance to see even a large fraction unless you travel for a living. Throw in Canada and Mexico and there is so much you can just drive to. I don't think I've been aboard a plane in forever, maybe 2008?
Yeah California is a big state, very long. Sounds like you've mainly experienced the southern part. Central Ca is agriculture (lots and lots), though with a 10yr drought I worry about that. Plus CA is just a little behind Wisconsin in cheese production. Lots of mountains ranges in the east and north. From where I live it's an easy 2hr drive to the ocean or mountain camping or skiing. You'd think with 40m people the state would be packed like sardines but there is plenty of country/mountain/small town life available. Problem is most of the job market is in the crowded cities.
We have our share of people started fires but the major problem is lightening. And when lightening starts a fire in a remote area with no accessible road it's a nightmare. Last years the fires were so bad that the Ca central valley, was in a smoke fog. I'd never seen that before.
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I'd worry about the long term sustainability of much of that ag, but perhaps we get a distorted view dating back to even films like Chinatown and disasters like The Salton Sea. Water is a big issue and after anti-globalism comes keeping State resources home.
We've had the "Flint water" issue created and largely sustained by two Governors now, while not far away corporate bottling and shipment of ground water takes place at incredible volumes. Resentment is building, and fresh water is a plentiful resource here. Flint's issue has more to do with corporate incompetence and improper water supply additives than the pipes, which have been there a very long time.
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Reading these I really get furious at our previous and current governments.
We have huge water supplies and few of the best mineral water and not only 1or 2 brands but 10 - 20 , not that we need it as the water is perfectly drinkable, we have perfect food, the best olive oil in the world perfect environment, perfect whether, sea, mountain, volcanos (yep we got 2 big ones) and we also have those idiots. Selling everything cheap abroad (railroads,electricity,oil,water,airports), while we have one of the biggest supply of lignite in Europe we are selling it to the Germany and we go "Green" , we have trillions of oil and natural gas underwater but we don't extract it and act like it's not there, we have a huge unnecessary public domain where all the government party dogs are recruited and while we staid home due to covid and received bread crumbs they got their full salary.
I can go on but I shouldn't because if I do continue I would say that we (I didn't personally but...) voted for them and we are keep voting them even if we curse them afterwards. I think this is something I can't understand in Greeks. The only part are the party dogs voting, that I can understand but it's the 15-20-25% ?
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Oh,
They are giving 150 Euros for every person 18-25 that will vaccinate.
They are trying to buy them out.
They also say that this week they will expand the vaccination privileges and give benefits to owners that will implement vaccinated only restaurants, gyms, cinemas, football fields etc.
There is a problem though, these are all fall against the laws of our constitution. So how can one can characterize this government?
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Originally Posted by sapator
Mr.Nay vaccination causes mutations.
Well, we can throw THAT view out. All the most significant mutations came from countries before vaccination had gotten going, but even putting aside how absurd that statement is, we certainly know enough about the evolutionary process to know: Reproduction causes mutations.
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
