Wossy, it may be denied... wasn't there a previous snake incarnation that used SandPaper(tm)?

@Warlock - Piffle... we've all been there. I've been doing development for the last 30+ years, first 10 as a novice/learner, then professionally for the last 20 some odd years. I've been burned, torched, and beat up more times than I care to count. I'm sure most of us have a similar story. And as for a folder half-full of half-finished projects... it's half-empty... you'll create more and more over the years. I'm sure that if I could get to all of the projects I've abandoned over the years, I'd run out of space. I've got projects on old 3.25" disks, 5" floppies, there's a couple of zip drives I know that has some archaic stuff on it, and a stack of unlabeled CDs with tons of code on them.

A couple things: 1 - not everyone is cut out for programming. 2 - even those that are, for some it takes some work, so hang in there, 3 - I can't count, as soon as I added a third item, it went from a couple to a few, and possibly on to several, 4 - You'll need a sense of humor, 5 - the programming world is HUGE, the trick is finding the niche you're good at naturally. I couldn't use GDI to program my way out of a light cycle grid, but when it comes to business problems (and especially financials) I'm pretty good at it. So that's why I work for a company that builds an enterprise level CRM application and not working on the latest Call of Duty. What I got out of your post is that you suck at bots. That's fine, so do I. find somethign else. Experiment. 5- never stop learning.

-tg