Post Race!

[dday9]

That is a very true statement.

[Shaggy Hiker]

William Howard Taft was 5 ft 11 1⁄2 in 182 cm.

Yeah, but what was his weight? I'm saying that his was not an optimal weight to height ratio by any measure.

I doubt there's one ideal height/weight for humans. Most of us don't go out and fight others for survival, so any health problems that come from being bigger would offset any potential gains in the short term. Well, not from an ecological perspective, perhaps, but socially that would be the case. I'm not too keen on those BMI indeces and other such things. After a couple decades of weight lifting, I count as borderline obese (not morbidly so, because I'm rarely morbid). The BMI wants me to weigh down around 190. I got to that weight after backpacking for three months, but it wasn't a good weight. I lose a LOT of strength to get down that far, which I didn't regain until I got back around 220. The BMI wants a bunch of beanpoles.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Steak seems an unlikely culprit, unless you didn't cook it. I was feeling pretty bad all of yesterday afternoon, and I'm pretty sure it was due to some bad strawberries. Uncooked things, like fruit and raw veggies, can harbor some bad stuff more easily than cooked meat.

[szlamany]

My wife takes her steak black and blue - she never gets sick from that.

[dday9]

My meal was: steak(medium), mashed potatoes and gravy, and French style green beans with a lot of tabasco and red peppers.

[szlamany]

Did 4,000 other people touch that bottle of tabasco at the steak chain prior to you? Or did you poison yourself at home?

[dday9]

It was an in-home thing.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Well, sometimes steaks don't get cooked quite enough.

I had a guy working for me who was all fired up about the superiority of Buffalo over cows. He found a place selling Buffalo steaks and went out and got a couple (along with talking about how superior it was, which we had all heard before). When he didn't show up at a meeting the next day, I knew something was up, so I called him in the afternoon. He told me that the farthest he had made it from bed all day was the toilet.

It's a bit rare, but if the steak is equally rare...you might get a little extra. Nothing else in your meal sounds like a likely source, except that I have recently heard from a friend that he was pretty sure he got something from ground pepper.

[dday9]

I did use pepper, but the same pepper I've been using.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I guess it was a bug in the meat that was bugging you.

[Witis]

There's no such thing as bad steak. Steak is always good. Must be Psychosematic.

What is your rational for chowing down on the herbivorous milk machines Dec?
Do you view them as too weak and therefore deserving of a place on your plate, or is there some other reason driving your digestive juices?

[Witis]

Steak seems an unlikely culprit, unless you didn't cook it. I was feeling pretty bad all of yesterday afternoon, and I'm pretty sure it was due to some bad strawberries. Uncooked things, like fruit and raw veggies, can harbor some bad stuff more easily than cooked meat.

But you can only eat fish raw. =)

[Witis]

My wife takes her steak black and blue - she never gets sick from that.

That reads really strange szlamany as I have never seen a black and blue steak before.

[Witis]

Sometimes the cows fight back, posthumously. =D

[Shaggy Hiker]

What is your rational for chowing down on the herbivorous milk machines Dec?
Do you view them as too weak and therefore deserving of a place on your plate, or is there some other reason driving your digestive juices?

I view them as tasty and a blight on the landscape.

Of course, beef cattle are not the same as dairy cows, so he probably isn't eating milk machines.

[Witis]

I view them as tasty and a blight on the landscape.

Are you saying that you eat cows because they are ugly?

Of course, beef cattle are not the same as dairy cows, so he probably isn't eating milk machines.

I bet you would eat either wouldn't you Sharky?

[szlamany]

That reads really strange szlamany as I have never seen a black and blue steak before.

Pittsburg rare for those not in the knowing...

[TnTinMN]

It's a bit rare, but if the steak is equally rare...you might get a little extra. Nothing else in your meal sounds like a likely source, except that I have recently heard from a friend that he was pretty sure he got something from ground pepper.

Costco Black Pepper Recalled for Possible Salmonella Contamination

[Witis]

Yeah, but what was his weight? I'm saying that his was not an optimal weight to height ratio by any measure.

Don't know, I just found a site with multiple calculations for determining his optimal weight given his height and used it as a proxy.

I doubt there's one ideal height/weight for humans. Most of us don't go out and fight others for survival, so any health problems that come from being bigger would offset any potential gains in the short term. Well, not from an ecological perspective, perhaps, but socially that would be the case. I'm not too keen on those BMI indeces and other such things. After a couple decades of weight lifting, I count as borderline obese (not morbidly so, because I'm rarely morbid). The BMI wants me to weigh down around 190. I got to that weight after backpacking for three months, but it wasn't a good weight. I lose a LOT of strength to get down that far, which I didn't regain until I got back around 220. The BMI wants a bunch of beanpoles.

You can probably add in more specificity including body type, percentage of body fat, and whether they do a physically demanding job but the figures I provided likely cover most humans and don't require you to visit a doctor to get a rough idea of the right weight for your height. I don't imagine the charts are designed for those cycling 50 miles a day and going to the gym to lift weights five times a week. They probably have charts that differ for athletes in each different sport at the various sporting institutes around the world. I prefer a toned rather than muscular physique and the body weight indices that provide a weight range usually allow for a toned rather than muscular physique.

From my research so far it seems to me that the average heights of humans in the west are the opposite of Vatican city, they are too tall rather than too short.
Wiki states that "According to a study by Economist John Komlos and Francesco Cinnirella, in the first half of 18th century, the average height of English male was 165 cm (5 ft 5 in), the average height of Irish male was 168 cm (5 ft 6 in). The estimated mean height of English, German, and Scottish soldiers are 163.6 cm – 165.9 cm (5 ft 4.4 in – 5 ft 5.3 in) for the period as a whole, while that of Irish was 167.9 cm (5 ft 6.1 in)." Those numbers are only estimates so I am not sure if they are true but it provides a good basis for comparison.

At 5 feet 6 inches, the suggested target weight according to this site http://www.calculator.net/ideal-weight-calculator.html? is:
114.6 lbs - 154.9 lbs (52kg -70kg) i.e centring around 60kg.

White males 20–39 in the U.S. currently average 5'10.5 inches, at that height the target weight is suggested to be:
Based on the Robinson formula (1983), your ideal weight is 158.6 lbs (71.94 kg)
Based on the Miller formula (1983), your ideal weight is 156.5 lbs (70.98 kg)
Based on the Devine formula (1974), your ideal weight is 163.5 lbs (74.16 kg)
Based on the Hamwi formula (1964), your ideal weight is 168.3 lbs (76.34 kg)
Based on the healthy BMI recommendation, your recommended weight is 130.8 lbs - 176.7 lbs (59.34 kg - 80.149 kg) i.e. centring just around 70kg

So the difference between 5'6 and 5'10.5 is about 22 pounds - 35 pounds (10-16 kg).

At 5 feet 6 inches and around 133 pounds (60 kg), i.e. the current average weight of humans world wide, the West would begin to resemble medium to large cheetahs, medium leopards, small cougars, small jaguars, or spotted hyenas rather than small bears and perhaps prevent its slide into silver.

At 5 feet 0 inches, the suggested target weight is 94.7 lbs - 128.0 lbs (42kg - 58kg) The size of a small to medium cheetah, smallish leopard, or large wolves e.g. the gray wolf.
At 4 feet 6 inches, the suggested target weight is 76.7 lbs - 103.7 lbs (34kg - 47kg) The size of a small cheetah, small leopard, large lynx, or small wolves.
At 4 feet 0 inches, the suggested target weight is 60.6 lbs - 81.9 lbs (27.48kg - 37kg) The size of a lynx or large serval, large ocelot, large caracal, or African wild dogs.

Thus the optimal human height for males might just be 5 rather than 6 feet with a six inch variation each way.

[FunkyDexter]

What is your rational for chowing down on the herbivorous milk machines Dec?

They taste good and I can buy handy pre-cut bits of them in Sainsbrys. That's all the rational I need.

[Witis]

They taste good and I can buy handy pre-cut bits of them in Sainsbrys. That's all the rational I need.

Being less fortunate creatures than yourself do you not feel any duty of care towards the gentle natured and relatively harmless herbivores?

[FunkyDexter]

Nah, you can't trust cows. They hang around in gangs wearing leather jackets.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Are you saying that you eat cows because they are ugly?

No, Bambi, I'm saying exactly what I said. I didn't mention anything about how a cow looks.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Don't know, I just found a site with multiple calculations for determining his optimal weight given his height and used it as a proxy.

Taft was notoriously rotund. I don't know whether or not it is true, but I have heard that he had to have a special bathtub installed in the White House to handle his girth.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Being less fortunate creatures than yourself do you not feel any duty of care towards the gentle natured and relatively harmless herbivores?

Cows are found on every continent other than Antarctica, and found in very large numbers. By any objective measure, they have proliferated far and wide because humans make use of them for so many things (I have heard that there is no part of a cow that is not used for something). Individually....life is longer than a mayfly, but not all that long and often not all that good. As a species....it's been a terrific success.

[dday9]

Nah, you can't trust cows. They hang around in gangs wearing leather jackets.

I think I'm going to frame this in my office.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I think I'm going to frame it in terms of a question.

[FunkyDexter]

You can't trust cows? They hang around in gangs wearing leather jackets?

There, beat you to it.

[szlamany]

Don't any of you have jobs?

Sorry for getting all serious - backs away from the room...

[dday9]

What's a job.

[szlamany]

I've been writing a natural language name processing algorithm all day long - had to use a SortedDictionary for like the second time in my VB.Net experience.

I'm not getting paid for this work today - but it's still a job. I like to call it an investment...

I am expecting a "paying" couple of hours doing a jQuery "create and process" Anthem-health-insurance-cards screen - delivery promised for tomorrow. Got all the SQL written just have to wire some buttons to "create" SPROCS and make a grid for showing who is getting printed this week. Little side screen for adding ADHOC people with a "card print count" option (so dad can get cards for the kids off at college).

[dday9]

I got completely loss with that statement.

[szlamany]

Nah, you can't trust cows. They hang around in gangs wearing leather jackets.

I remember 30 years ago flying a kite with some friends in a big field - and the little "cow" 300 feet away turned out to be a young bull and he didn't want to stop once he decided we were his destination.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That makes it more exciting.

I just got back from a cookout at work. Now I'm half asleep and working on the other half.

[dday9]

Here you are Shaggy:

Public Class Body

    Public Sub Abort()
        Me.Finalize()
    End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Puts the body to sleep.
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="increment">Time, measured in minutes, that the body sleeps for.</param>
    ''' <remarks>Be sure not to call Body.Abort during this method.</remarks>
    Public Sub Sleep(ByVal increment As Double)
        Console.WriteLine("Zzz")
    End Sub

End Class

[Shaggy Hiker]

Body.Abort...classic.

[Gruff]

Cows are great! I love watching them standing in the field wearing nothing but a muu muu.

Attachment 116497

Dang! There I go objectifying cows again.

[Gruff]

And who could forget Disney's Clarabell cow?

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[dday9]

http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.p...9&d=1405548547

[dday9]

That is a funny attachment.