VB6 is DEAD!

[FunkyDexter]

Was that intentional?

Oh yes. I take my dislike of fish way more personally than modding. Shellfish in particular, are basically the insects of the sea. What with all those pointy antenna bits and too many legs. And you're not telling me that a lobster's anything more than an oversized cockroach. And... AND... they spend the whole time swiming in their own excrement. I mean, at least we have the decency to pump ours out to sea. You'd think that they'd get organised and pump there's off somewhere else, wouldn't you? Filthy Blighters!

[Fatina]

You must be a particular unattractive one if you have nothing better to do than come here and troll us. What's the matter ? Can't get dates ?

Niya, let the Visual Basic 6.0 envy aside. Yes, I can't get dates and I am particular unattractive ! luckily I was inspired enough to not put my entire face in my avatar, it will have been very disappointing !

This is for all of you:



happy posts !

[dclamp]

Bach is bach?

[FunkyDexter]

I'm reminded of Sir Mixalot.

Baby got Bach!

[dclamp]

Did he come Bach from the dead?

[dclamp]

I'll take that squirrel burger dclamp.

One squirrel burger, drag it through the garden.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Is this an invite to your house for Bison burgers?

I wouldn't trust any bison around here. A buddy of mine was very much into the belief that bison are in every way (including morally) superior to cows, so when a local place sold some bison steaks, he picked up a couple. He was then supposed to show up at a meeting the next day, but didn't make an appearance or even call in. I was able to get in touch with him that evening, at which point he informed me that the only time he'd been able to leave his bed all day was to crawl to the toilet. I didn't want anymore details than that.

Bison is great....you just don't want to get anything extra with it, as he did.

[dclamp]

I will bring good 'ol california Bison

[Shaggy Hiker]

Loster is cheap these days but I tend to be wary though it tastes good enough.

I just suspect the lobster population boom is due to the increase in near-shore garbage and sewage in the oceans.

You are probably pretty safe with lobster. We are VERY inefficient about trapping them, and generally only eat relatively young lobster. They do have a tendency to eat all kinds of things, but they aren't filter feeders, and tend to eat relatively low on the food chain, so they may be safer than filter feeders like clams and oysters.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Just a gentle reminder to play nice. This was always going to be an emotive issue but some of the comments, on both sides of the debate, are getting a little personal.

Yeah! Those comments dissing sushi just makes my blood boil. A little wasabi, a bit of ginger....those philistines don't know what they are missing. Phools!

[Shaggy Hiker]

Most bison is not pure bison anyways. I've been told by folks who work with them that they've interbred with cows enough that there is some percentage of bovine DNA in most bison.

[techgnome]

One squirrel burger, drag it through the garden.

Road Kill Cafe - You kill 'em, we grill 'em!


-tg

[3com]

Definitely vb6 died.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Well....it doesn't appear on the menu.

[Niya]

Niya, let the Visual Basic 6.0 envy aside.

...luckily I was inspired enough to not put my entire face in my avatar...

Like you could fool anyone with that. At least use an original picture. Anca Mitroi at DeviantArt uses that same avatar. I'm more willing to believe the person in that pic is her and not you. You're some dude that is amusing himself by trolling us.

[Gruff]

Not long ago I took a very attractive young lady out for dinner for sushi.
The smell reminded me of rotten fish eggs used for bait.
(My folks did a lot of rowboat fishing on lakes.)

Long story short She wolfed down high priced sushi like it was candy.

I gave her a hug goodnight instead of a kiss. I couldn't imagine going there.

[SJWhiteley]

Did he come Bach from the dead?

Just in time to throw it on the barbie...for baby bach ribs.

[dclamp]

Just in time to throw it on the barbie...for baby bach ribs.

*Coming over for ribs*

[Shaggy Hiker]

He's just ribbing you.

[dclamp]

Thats ribbery!

[Shaggy Hiker]

Just had some excellent sushi.

[Witis]

Not long ago I took a very attractive young lady out for dinner for sushi.
The smell reminded me of rotten fish eggs used for bait.
(My folks did a lot of rowboat fishing on lakes.)

Strange, I can't remember the smell of rotting fish in any sushi place I have ever been to.

Long story short She wolfed down high priced sushi like it was candy.

Now that sounds promising.

I gave her a hug goodnight instead of a kiss. I couldn't imagine going there.

You definitely missed out. :L

[DataMiser]

I don't know what they serve as sushi, I do know that some salt water fish have a very strong smell even when fresh. I remember packing some several years ago and several hours later and after washing my hands several times the smell was still noticeable.

Not sure how this thread got twisted into advocating sushi, or any other food for that matter but I guess it is time to unsubscribe as the thread is being to smell like raw fish

[Shaggy Hiker]

Mackerel is pretty strong smelling. Too strong for lots of people. It's not my favorite, certainly.

[Witis]

I don't know what they serve as sushi,

Just about anything from prawns to eel but it usually it centres on salmon and tuna.

I do know that some salt water fish have a very strong smell even when fresh. I remember packing some several years ago and several hours later and after washing my hands several times the smell was still noticeable.

I guess some fish are a bit smelly although I have never been put off by the smell of any raw sushi or any cooked fish either.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

I guess some fish are a bit smelly although I have never been put off by the smell of any raw sushi or any cooked fish either.

Sushi is the Vinigered Rice stuff, which May or May not have fish in it !

Sashimi is the tasty raw fish morsels which almost everyone confuses for Sushi !

[dee-u]

Just had some excellent sushi.

That's good news, Gruff will not kiss you now.

[Witis]

Sushi is the Vinigered Rice stuff, which May or May not have fish in it !

Sashimi is the tasty raw fish morsels which almost everyone confuses for Sushi !

Yep everyone starts with sushi and if they like it then they will almost certainly progress to sashimi later on.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's good news, Gruff will not kiss you now.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it IS good news.

Sashimi is often more expensive. After all, the fish is the expensive part. The place I go has a most pleasing fish/rice ratio in their nigiri.

[RobDog888]

Microsoft beating VB6 to death -->

[Shaggy Hiker]

I see that they have now started a new petition. This one has only 700 votes, or so, thus far. Even an explicit statement doesn't put an end to it. Which leads me to wonder: What is the horse, and who is doing the beating?

[Carlos Rocha]

I see that they have now started a new petition. This one has only 700 votes, or so, thus far. Even an explicit statement doesn't put an end to it. Which leads me to wonder: What is the horse, and who is doing the beating?

Where is that petition?

[Niya]

And here we go again.

[Carlos Rocha]

And here we go again.

Yup, I like when it's difficult. Easy things are already done by people like you

[RobDog888]

VB6 is ALIVE just because someone made a new petition!


Um yea right

[Shaggy Hiker]

Here you go:

http://visualstudio.uservoice.com/fo...improved-versi

It's kind of silly, actually. They start off by invoking, "the silent majority of VB6 users." Of course, the silent majority won't be voting because they are....wait for it....silent. The one who started the petition, all who comment on it, and all who vote for it, are not silent by definition. Whether or not they are a majority is debatable, but silent they are not.

None too flexible, either.

[Shaggy Hiker]

In the first comment on the new petition, sten stated:

Microsoft has sent a clear message to developers throughout the world "Do not use Microsoft developer tools. You simply cannot trust Microsoft to protect your investment."

The message that should have been sent is: Don't get into programming if you don't like change.

The hardware changes, the languages change, open source projects come and go as interest waxes and wanes, companies grow and fold, and all of this happens within the timespan of our careers. Coding isn't like ranching where people can say, "my daddy did it this way, and his daddy before him, and his daddy before him." In coding, the last decade is for old folks. I started in the 80s. There was no VB, of course, because there was no V to B. I then wandered off until the mid-90s, at which point there was a VB, there was ANSI C, no ANSI C++, GUI OS were just starting to appear (unless you were a mac fan), and Java was just a drink. I went through PDA's, too. I even had one, and wrote a few programs for them. That tech lasted only a few years before being replaced by smartphones.

I wrote a tablet app before Apple came out with the iPad. The app would have worked a whole lot better had there been any tablets at that time. Now, tablets are becoming ubiquitous. Dilettante feels that the MS OS is going to be replaced by Android, but that's nothing new. It was going to be replaced by Linux before that, and Apple even earlier (not to mention OS/2, since nobody probably thought THAT was going to replace anything). Still, he could just as easily be right as wrong. The only thing certain is that what is the standard today is not going to be around tomorrow.

So, don't abandon MS because VB6 was discontinued. Instead, abandon the entire career, because it's probably moving too fast for your comfort. I know the technology will change. I know that the language I know now will not last until my retirement. I just don't know where to move to, and when will not even be my decision.

[Carlos Rocha]

The message that should have been sent is: Don't get into programming if you don't like change.

The hardware changes, the languages change, open source projects come and go as interest waxes and wanes, companies grow and fold, and all of this happens within the timespan of our careers. Coding isn't like ranching where people can say, "my daddy did it this way, and his daddy before him, and his daddy before him." In coding, the last decade is for old folks. I started in the 80s. There was no VB, of course, because there was no V to B. I then wandered off until the mid-90s, at which point there was a VB, there was ANSI C, no ANSI C++, GUI OS were just starting to appear (unless you were a mac fan), and Java was just a drink. I went through PDA's, too. I even had one, and wrote a few programs for them. That tech lasted only a few years before being replaced by smartphones.

I wrote a tablet app before Apple came out with the iPad. The app would have worked a whole lot better had there been any tablets at that time. Now, tablets are becoming ubiquitous. Dilettante feels that the MS OS is going to be replaced by Android, but that's nothing new. It was going to be replaced by Linux before that, and Apple even earlier (not to mention OS/2, since nobody probably thought THAT was going to replace anything). Still, he could just as easily be right as wrong. The only thing certain is that what is the standard today is not going to be around tomorrow.

So, don't abandon MS because VB6 was discontinued. Instead, abandon the entire career, because it's probably moving too fast for your comfort. I know the technology will change. I know that the language I know now will not last until my retirement. I just don't know where to move to, and when will not even be my decision.

That's because things evolve that programming languages should evolve too, not killed w/o a true replacement, and please don't say again that VB.NET is a replacement or an evolution.

Thanks for the link.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Why not say it? It's true. The one gripe that seems valid to me is the objection that you can't simply open your VB6 app in .NET and have it work without changes. People would probably have been ok with that as long as there was a reasonably functional upgrade wizard, which there was not.

However, that's not the point. The transition from VB6 to .NET is trivial when you compare it to the major changes over the last few decades. Programs written in the 80s were largely using technology, and targeting hardware, that was purely legacy by 95. Platforms then shifted greatly, especially in PCs as we made all those changes in OS (memory models, processor modes, and the like). Another shift began around 2000 with PDA's, but they died and were replaced by smartphones. Now we may be seeing Android replace Windows (or not, we shall see). Such a change would really put the nail in the coffin for VB6, and might do the same for MS itself, which would also include .NET. It basically comes down to:

80s tech != 90s tech != mobile tech != future tech

Even the ANSI standard languages went through revisions during that time frame, and VB certainly isn't ANSI standard. Still, a program written in C/C++ isn't automatically future-proof simply because the language has an international standard, nor are they cross-platform. Things change in computers. Had Linux replaced Windows on 90% of desktops, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because VB6 would have been dead and abandoned once it didn't run on anybodies computer. Instead, one MS OS replaced another MS OS, so the apps written in VB6 still run. That will change, eventually. If the world moves to Android, then VB6 will go the way of COBOL. Eventually, that will happen, it's just a quirk of fate that it hasn't happened yet. The same is true of .NET, and to some extent, the same is true of C already, as it is much more a niche language than it used to be.

[techgnome]

FORTRAN, COBOL, punch cards, and green screens.

-tg