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[Niya]

I think most men would agree that an unsubstantiated belief that Jews control the world's banking system and misuse their power and wealth to directly or indirectly cause genocides qualifies as anti-Semitism!!!

Its always a wonder how most people could be so dense as to not see this simple truth. Every big banking institution on Earth has a Jewish name behind it. Yes the Jews do control the world's banking system. Make no mistake though, its not about world domination or nonsensical mystic gibberish about a new world order or the mark of the beast or any of that. The truth is much much simpler. They are only doing what we all do...we're playing a game. Call it the game of life if you will. They just play the game on a much larger scale. The game really is about getting more than our neighbor.

What do you think street gangs are about ? Profit. Making money from acts deemed illegal to get ahead. The Jews are no different from a gang like MS-13, the Bloods or the Crips. They can just play the game better. I promise you, that you can draw any parallel between a street gang and the powerful Jewish oligarchy, which to me is the Illuminati.

Membership rituals

Gang membership rituals: Beat your ass for 30 minutes, commit a violent crime etc

Illuminati: Harvard, Yale, MIT, Skull and Bones

Punishment for betrayal

Gang: Best case scenario, get labelled a snitch and lose all respect among your peers. Worst case, you get murdered.

Illumanati: Fire you and dishonor your name so no one "respectable" will ever hire you again. They could also jail you for a long time. Think Bernie Madoff and Alan Stanford. These guys aren't really criminals, they simply lost the game to their peers and got "murdered".


General commonalities between members

Illuminati: Mostly Jews.

Gangs: Mostly along racial lines. Eg. The Italian mob are made up of mostly Italians. The Crips, mostly African-Americans. The Latin Kings are mostly Latin-Americans like Mexicans.

Wars

Gangs: They war with each other over turfs which are related to their ability to turn a profit. They use guns, knives, death-threats, drive-bys.

Illuminati: There are cliques internally that are at war with each other just like any street gang but they do it with business acquisitions, corporate espionage, law suits, inside trading, underwriting.

Do you have any sense of what I'm telling you now ? This is the real world. We can draw many such parallels, not just with gangs but with your families or maybe a small group of your friends. Their stage is just bigger than ours and with it, every thing else is big. A gang war might kill a few dozen people, a war between members of the oligarchy will kill millions and this is what gets labelled as genocide. Remember that. "Genocide", "antisemitism" are just terms. One gang killing another for a more profitable turf is no different than the invasions that occur among powerful nations like the USA. Don't let the word "genocide" mask this fact. The reasons are the same, just the numbers are different.

[Niya]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are anti semitic (it's certainly not an impression I've got from you in the past)

I like the Jews just fine. In fact, I think they're worthy of emulation. I can only hope to learn how the play the game about as 1/10 as well as they can and get my share of the pie. I don't really want much. Just enough to be a little more than comfortable

[Witis]

Niya: now, in addition to your original anti-Semitic comments, you seem to be saying that Judaïsm is actually a criminal gang rather than a legitimate religion!!!

[TysonLPrice]

I hate everyone that argues endlessly about religion.

Socrates, Plato...morons

[Niya]

Niya: now, in addition to your original anti-Semitic comments, you seem to be saying that Judaïsm is actually a criminal gang rather than a legitimate religion!!!

Did you actually read anything I wrote ?

[dunfiddlin]

Did you actually read anything I wrote ?

Only enough to distort it out of all recognition as usual. Only Witis could pillory someone for conspiracy theories, prejudice, and declaiming against the true nature of a religion in the same thread in which he does all of those things and more in paranoid nonsense about the Pope and the Roman church! What you gonna do with someone whose white is black and black is white?

[Jacob Roman]

I am the Roman church

[Niya]

Only enough to distort it out of all recognition as usual. Only Witis could pillory someone for conspiracy theories, prejudice, and declaiming against the true nature of a religion in the same thread in which he does all of those things and more in paranoid nonsense about the Pope and the Roman church! What you gonna do with someone whose white is black and black is white?

In other words, he is an expert troll. Well this is chit-chat so I suppose that its expected.

I am the Roman church

lol...Romans. Don't even get me started on them.

[Witis]

Socrates, Plato...morons

There was definitely something wrong with one of those two!!!!!

[Witis]

Did you actually read anything I wrote ?

Sure the entire post was about comparing Judaïsm and criminal gangs, what else did the post convey except unfounded racial hatred????

[Witis]

Only enough to distort it out of all recognition as usual.

No distortion whatsoever, I merely summarised his post and pointed out its true meaning!!!!

Only Witis could pillory someone for conspiracy theories, prejudice, and declaiming against the true nature of a religion in the same thread in which he does all of those things and more in paranoid nonsense about the Pope and the Roman church! What you gonna do with someone whose white is black and black is white?

Ah, there is, however, a critical difference: I have provided logic and facts to support my arguments, Niya has provided neither and is merely spouting baseless racial hatred!

[Witis]

I am the Roman church

Are you a Roman Catholic?

[Witis]

In other words, he is an expert troll. Well this is chit-chat so I suppose that its expected.

Without providing any facts to support your arguments you sir are the Troll not me!

Some well known trolls include politicians such as Joseph McCarthy:
"Joseph McCarthy was a U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 to 1957. Though a poor orator, McCarthy rose to national prominence during the early 1950s by proclaiming that high places in the United States federal government and military were "infested" with communists, contributing to the second "Red Scare". Ultimately his inability to provide proof for his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate in 1954, and to fall from popularity."

[Witis]

Oh God. Twice in one thread I find myself agreeing with Witis.

Ah there could be some hope for you yet!

[Niya]

Sure the entire post was about comparing Judaism and criminal gangs, what else did the post convey except unfounded racial hatred????

You have a severe lack of comprehension my friend. You make me think of a well-trained dog that barks “anti-Semitism” whenever someone mentions Jews. And it’s funny too because you don’t even know what an anti-Semite is. Semites are an ethnic group and Jews are people who practice some form of Judaism. In other words there is such a thing as a non-Semite Jew.

You didn’t read a thing I wrote. I did not make a connection between Judaism itself and the success of the Jews nor did I make any mention of hating either Jews or Judaism. I did not compare Judaism to a gang, rather I compared the mainly Jewish oligarchy to a gang and I drew parallels between them. I also later stated that this oligarchy is worthy of emulation because they know how to win playing big games. How could you possibly classify that as hate? Stop trolling.

[Witis]

You have a severe lack of comprehension my friend.

I don't agree with either of those two comments whatsoever!

You make me think of a well-trained dog that barks “anti-Semitism” whenever someone mentions Jews.

I prefer to purr, although I meow on occasion!!!!!

And it’s funny too because you don’t even know what an anti-Semite is. Semites are an ethnic group and Jews are people who practice some form of Judaism. In other words there is such a thing as a non-Semite Jew.

anti-Semitism
"From the German Antisemitismus, which was coined in 1879 by German political agitator Wilhelm Marr to replace Judenhass ("Jew-hatred") to make hatred of the Jews seem rational and sanctioned by scientific knowledge."
source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism
I think I used it very accurately!

You didn’t read a thing I wrote. I did not make a connection between Judaism itself and the success of the Jews nor did I make any mention of hating either Jews or Judaism.

Your baseless hatred for the jews is very clear in all of your recent post!!!

I did not compare Judaism to a gang,

Sure you did!!!

rather I compared the mainly Jewish oligarchy to a gang and I drew parallels between them.

Nup, to quote you directly: "The Jews are no different from a gang like MS-13, the Bloods or the Crips."

I also later stated that this oligarchy is worthy of emulation because they know how to win playing big games. How could you possibly classify that as hate? Stop trolling.

You actually said that you believe they are gangs of criminals e.g Bernie Madoff and Alan Stanford, and then, once you had done so, pretended to worship their success as criminals!!!
Without any logic or facts to back up your position, I have to reiterate that you are the classic definition of a troll!

[Niya]

You know what, you're a troll, **** off.

[Witis]

You know what, you're a troll, **** off.

You should be aware that your troll science arguments sound a lot like that:

Video removed...

Although I did enjoy reading about Bernie Madoff!!
Also you suffer from verbal pyorrhoea; you should get that checked out!!!

[Niya]

OMG. I offer my sincerest apologies to you Witis from my previous outburst. I was drunk out of my wits and angry when I came in last night and for some reason I chose to refresh this thread before going to bed. I saw your response and felt that you were deliberately provoking me and in that mental state I said what was on my mind without thinking.

As for the topic itself, either I'm not using the right words or the concept I'm trying to get you to recognize is simply too difficult for you understand so I'm not saying anymore on the topic.

Again, sorry for my previous attack on you.

[Witis]

I have to admit that I did not expect to receive any sort of apology Niya, so you have surprised me!

[TysonLPrice]

There was definitely something wrong with one of those two!!!!!

That was a misquote from "Princess Bride"


Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and I'm far smarter than you.

Westley: You're that smart?

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?

Westley: Yes.

Vizzini: Idiots.

http://slangcity.com/movie_quote/princess_bride.htm

[Niya]

I have to admit that I did not expect to receive any sort of apology Niya, so you have surprised me!

Have you ever known me to act that way ? I was really drunk when I wrote that post. I tend to slip from reason when I'm drunk.

Make no mistake though, I'm not apologizing for my ideas which for some reason you think is anti-Semitic, I am apologizing for that crass response I gave you.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm finding it terribly ironic that a person who argued in favor of playing the troll managed to complain that somebody else was just a troll.

What was the group that held that you should always consider sober every decision made while drunk and vice versa?

[Witis]

Make no mistake though, I'm not apologizing for my ideas which for some reason you think is anti-Semitic, I am apologizing for that crass response I gave you.

What part of spouting baseless racial hatred against the Jews makes you think your views are not anti-Semitic????

[Niya]

I'm finding it terribly ironic that a person who argued in favor of playing the troll managed to complain that somebody else was just a troll.

Irony is one of those things that make life interesting.

What part of spouting baseless racial hatred against the Jews makes you think your views are not anti-Semitic????

Quote one hateful thing I said about Jews.

[Niya]

I'm finding it terribly ironic that a person who argued in favor of playing the troll managed to complain that somebody else was just a troll.

Irony is one of those things that make life interesting.

What part of spouting baseless racial hatred against the Jews makes you think your views are not anti-Semitic????

Quote one hateful thing I said about Jews.

[Witis]

Quote one hateful thing I said about Jews.

So far your racial vilification of the Jews includes:
1. Jews control the world's banking system. from post #96:

"Every big banking institution on Earth has a Jewish name behind it. Yes the Jews do control the world's banking system."

2. Jews are a criminal gang and not a legitimate religion. from post #96:

"The Jews are no different from a gang like MS-13, the Bloods or the Crips."

3. Jews misuse their wealth and power to directly or indirectly cause genocides. from post #71 and from post #86:

"My idea of the Illuminati is a bunch of rich old Jews who get hard for profits and have no problem facilitating genocides to further the goal of more profits."

"Every thing I've come across on the topic strongly indicates that these people really have no limits. Its been said they have the power to decide the winners and losers in wars between nations and its been implied that their primary motivation is money. Its not a stretch in my mind to believe that they are capable of allowing or even encouraging genocides towards that end. They don't have to do it themselves, they just have to facilitate it. If all they care about is wealth, why should anyone assume they wouldn't go that far if they haven't already."

[Niya]

So far your racial vilification of the Jews includes:
1. Jews control the world's banking system. from post #96:

How is owning the world's banking system a mark of villainy ?

2. Jews are a criminal gang and not a legitimate religion. from post #96:

This is why my drunken self was so harsh. Your Jew worshiping is blinding you so much that it muddies your comprehension.

The meaning behind what I said was that the oligarchy which is comprised mostly of Jews operate much like a gang. The have recruitment mechanisms just like a gang. They have punishment and reward systems just like a gang. They co-operate in order gain advantages for their group just like a gang. I also said that a gang isn't the only thing you can draw parallels with.

3. Jews misuse their wealth and power to directly or indirectly cause genocides. from post #71 and from post #86:

Misuse ? There is no such thing as misuse of wealth. You use it, there are consequences. Certain people can accept certain consequences and certain people cannot. That's why some people make it and some don't. They along with many people throughout history have been able to amass great wealth because they had the stomach to do what was necessary. Markus Crassus for instance, who was a wealthy Roman made his fortune on the suffering of others and guess what ? Though history has judged him a villain, in his time what he did was perfectly legitimate. We aren't talking about good or evil here. Just actions and consequences. I'll say it again, I admire the Jews for what they can do. I do not hate them.

[Witis]

Dude, you cannot make up a bunch of baseless allegations about a global Jewish criminal conspiracy which controls the world and facilitates genocides and not be accurately called a anti-Semite and compared with other people sharing similar views such as Adolf Hitler!!! Pretending that you admire Jews after you have gone out of your way to demonise them does not obviate your obvious racial hatred!!!!!

[Niya]

Dude, you cannot make up a bunch of baseless allegations about a global Jewish criminal conspiracy which controls the world and facilitates genocides and not be accurately called a anti-Semite and compared with other people sharing similar views such as Adolf Hitler!!! Pretending that you admire Jews after you have gone out of your way to demonise them does not obviate your obvious racial hatred!!!!!

lol.....who said anything about a global conspiracy ? They control most of the world's banks, that's not a conspiracy, that's a fact. Who said what they were doing is criminal ? Where did I say it was criminal ?. And Jews aren't a race, only stupid people believe that. The fact is anyone can be a Jew. A white man, a negro man, or a Latino man can be also be a Jewish man. And dominating financial matters all over the world is not inherently a Jewish thing. It just so happens that a lot of the people at the top are also Jews. Jews that tend to invite other Jews to play the game. Its no different from what any other group does.

[Witis]

lol.....who said anything about a global conspiracy ?

You did, you said the Jews "control the world's banking system", that "they have the power to decide the winners and losers in wars between nations", and that they have "no problem facilitating genocides to further the goal of more profits." !!!

They control most of the world's banks, that's not a conspiracy, that's a fact.

You have no facts to support any part of your illusory anti-Jewish conspiracy!!!

Who said what they were doing is criminal ?

You did!!!

Where did I say it was criminal ?

I just provided that evidence!!!

And Jews aren't a race, only stupid people believe that.

"Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity, a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used." "in modern secular usage, Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion, those who have some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), and people without any Jewish ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of the religion."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

And dominating financial matters all over the world is not inherently a Jewish thing. It just so happens that a lot of the people at the top are also Jews. Jews that tend to invite other Jews to play the game. Its no different from what any other group does.

Nevertheless, according to you (and without any factual basis), the Jews control the world's banking system!!!

[Niya]

You did, you said the Jews "control the world's banking system", that "they have the power to decide the winners and losers in wars between nations", and that they have "no problem facilitating genocides to further the goal of more profits." !!!

They do, but to say its a global conspiracy is a bit much. They, like any other organization take advantage of opportunities to make money and act in the moment. And don't think for a moment they wouldn't screw each other over to gain advantages.

You have no facts to support any part of your illusory anti-Jewish conspiracy!!!

anti-Jewish ? So I take it I should be quick to get on my knees and blow anything that's Jewish ? Is that how you are trained ? It's funny, that we may discuss all facets of any group, ethnicity or religion but when its Jews, all of a sudden we must all sing their praises and say nothing contrary lest we be considered "anti-Jewish". Get real Witis. They are not the angels you so wish them to be.

Nevertheless, according to you (and without any factual basis), the Jews control the world's banking system!!!

You have Google, use it. Although I suspect confirmation bias will decide what you ultimately find. If you search with an open mind, you're going to come across a lot of nonsense primarily from Hitler worshipers but there are also more sensible articles and documentaries out there that examine these things with an objective tone, and many don't actually point out anything inherently Jewish but if you cross reference some of the information across different sources, you'd see a pattern. There are certain Jewish families that seem to wield a terrible amount of power.

[Witis]

They do, but to say its a global conspiracy is a bit much.

I don't think you will be able to get out of that given your statements!!!

They, like any other organization take advantage of opportunities to make money and act in the moment. And don't think for a moment they wouldn't screw each other over to gain advantages.

In your view would Jews go as far as cannibalism???

anti-Jewish ?

That is exactly what you have presented to the world!!!

So I take it I should be quick to get on my knees and blow anything that's Jewish ?

If you have a Jewish partner, why not?

It's funny, that we may discuss all facets of any group, ethnicity or religion but when its Jews, all of a sudden we must all sing their praises and say nothing contrary lest we be considered "anti-Jewish". Get real Witis. They are not the angels you so wish them to be.

You are deliberately mis-promoting synagogues as criminal gatherings in order to demonise their faith!!! Criticism is fine as long as you have logic and facts to support your argument otherwise you are merely an ephemeral hate fueled ochlagogue!

You have Google, use it.

In post #72 I asked you if you were talking about this -> http://archive.adl.org/special_repor...rothschild.asp , and in post #86 you replied "yep".
So you have already confessed that you have no basis for your views whatsoever!!!
All of your views are the same: vituperous anti-Jewish rhetoric without any factual foundation!!!

Although I suspect confirmation bias will decide what you ultimately find.

Nup, you are going to have to support your views with your sources!!!

If you search with an open mind, you're going to come across a lot of nonsense primarily from Hitler worshipers but there are also more sensible articles and documentaries out there that examine these things with an objective tone, and many don't actually point out anything inherently Jewish but if you cross reference some of the information across different sources, you'd see a pattern.

You only spout nonsense!!!

[Witis]

Talk about being on the way to destruction!

[Niya]

You are deliberately mis-promoting synagogues as criminal gatherings in order to demonise their faith!!!

No matter how I try to explain, you seem fixated on your own views. You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. You said you read everything I wrote yet you are still not getting what I'm saying. There are only two conclusions I can draw, either you're trolling or you're a moron. Either way, I'm done with this. Believe whatever you want to believe my friend.

[Witis]

No matter how I try to explain, you seem fixated on your own views.

R.O.F.L! It was all over days ago, then you withdrew your apology in order to carry on with your already shot down troll science views about a worldwide Jewish conspiracy!!!

You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. You said you read everything I wrote yet you are still not getting what I'm saying.

I outlined each and every primary point you made and provided extensive supporting quotes, I clearly get everything you are saying!

There are only two conclusions I can draw, either you're trolling or you're a moron.

I am not a troll, I do not stupidly make baseless and overtly false claims that cannot be supported by logic and evidence, nor am I a moron as I quite clearly focus on science over all of the insane anti-Semitic nonsense you constantly spout!!!!!

Furthermore you are a self confessed troll, and proud of it!!!
To quote you, yet again:

"I've never understood why people get all bent up over trolls. They've never bothered me one iota. Then again, I may be biased since I'm one hell of a troll myself. I've trolled just about every site I've ever made an account on except for here and ZDoom.org. I've trolled 4chan, Facebook, Iccup.com, Yahoo Answers, Bible Chat City and my favorite, Teamliquid.net. I have like 20 banned accounts on Teamliquid alone. I wanted to make Stormfront my lastest victim but I hear that anti-terrorist organizations monitor such sites. I don't want my IP on anybody's "bad" list lol."

I'd say you can well and truly add here to that list, don't you???

Believe whatever you want to believe

I believe you are a troll!!!!!

[Shaggy Hiker]

You have Google, use it. Although I suspect confirmation bias will decide what you ultimately find. If you search with an open mind, you're going to come across a lot of nonsense primarily from Hitler worshipers but there are also more sensible articles and documentaries out there that examine these things with an objective tone, and many don't actually point out anything inherently Jewish but if you cross reference some of the information across different sources, you'd see a pattern. There are certain Jewish families that seem to wield a terrible amount of power.

Far be it from me to agree with Witis, but frankly, I think you've slipped a cog on this one. I'd like to see some evidence, as well, and I don't think saying "You have Google, use it." is really an option here. Forget about confirmation bias, there is also a Google bias, and no question is more likely to bring up the wrong results than this one (other than the gal who asked me to search for 'fillies', cause she was into horses). That particular belief is frequently the basis for various anti-semitic groups that will have lots of presence on the web, and will therefore have lots of Google search results. On the other hand, some kind of objective study that lists the percentage of various religions in banking is highly unlikely (what a weird and unpalatable study THAT would be). If it exists, I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere in the top million hits of any reasonable search. Therefore, I would expect that the use of Google would be counterproductive in this situation.

The history of Jews in banking is pretty long, but it really has more to do with their persecution than any affinity for the subject. Hitler wasn't anything new. Pretty nearly all the crusades, various monarchies, the Catholic Church, and others, took a whack at the Jews whenever it was convenient. They did have the advantage that they could trade with the muslims more effectively than the christians could, and their statelessness and persecution made them ideal tax collectors for those kings clever enough to make use of them (they were already being persecuted, why not make them tax collectors? They benefit from the protection of the king, while acting as a lightning rod at the same time). So, now there is a stereotype. Once that is established, the brain will make it true for those who believe in it. The only real antidote is to find some hard statistics. I don't believe they exist. Prove me wrong.

[Witis]

Far be it from me to agree with Witis, but frankly, I think you've slipped a cog on this one.

Only one???

[Shaggy Hiker]

It only takes one to throw the timing off. After that, it's just a matter of degree.

[Niya]

R.O.F.L! It was all over days ago, then you withdrew your apology in order to carry on with your already shot down troll science views about a worldwide Jewish conspiracy!!!

Again you're deliberately being an idiot. I said nothing of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, I said it was an oligarch that was comprised mainly of Jews. There is nothing inherently Jewish about this oligarchy, it just happens that there are a lot of very powerful Jews among these elite people.

I outlined each and every primary point you made and provided extensive supporting quotes, I clearly get everything you are saying!

You did nothing of the sort. All you did was constantly babble on about my apparent anti-Semitism and how much I apparently hate Jews.

Furthermore you are a self confessed troll, and proud of it!!!
To quote you, yet again:

I also said I don't bring those antics here.

Debating this with you is utterly pointless. The brainwashing is so deeply embedded in your soul that it is impossible for you to think objectively about any topic involving Jews. As far as you're concerned, they are poor innocent misunderstood souls that can do no wrong and anybody that dares to suggest otherwise is probably a fervent anti-Semite. Your brainwashing is causing you to see me as Adolf Hitler. Like I said my friend, go on believing whatever makes you happy.