Quote Originally Posted by MarMan View Post

I don't know where you live Honeybee, but if that's your belief, you must have some strange living conditions. Every country I've been to puts people in jail (at the minimum) for killing for money, fun or power. Any I never gave you my definition of civilized, so how can you comment on it? I find the more you post the less sense you make. Are you sure you are not getting emotional over this issue and mot making wise statements?
I think you yourself have posted the criteria you use for deciding if a society is civilized or not. Or perhaps they aren't criteria and something random?

How many US presidents have gone to jail over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How many over Vietnam? How many over the Iraqi civilians?

In duels, a tough opponent tends to bring out the best in you, it's said. So if you find I am making less sense, you should probably examine how much sense your own posts are making. So far I have tried to not take this personally, but your persistent assumptions about you knowing things better and your viewpoint being right are just going too far.

About killing, can you please once and for all set down all YOUR rules about what killings are justified and what are not? It seems to me that with every counter argument, you have been reshaping your own rules about killing of others. So please pause for a moment (or a few minutes as the case may be) and set down all your rules regarding killing of others.

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