Well, it looks like anyone who questions Marman's assumptions automatically goes into the 10%. Hell, I might even accept his assumption that Gaddafi is bad. But I think it's impossible to discuss anything with a person who assumes you are a child killer and know and sympathize with child killers, just because you happen to present a different point of view.
Honeybee, that wasn't his point whether you agree with it or not. MarMan was talking about Morals.

There are some very basic shared values that not all but most of the countries and people in those countries in the world agree on. Virtually all countries have a law against Murder, have a law against rape e.t.c.

What (i believe - correct me if i am wrong) MarMan rather blunt point was do you agree that those thing are wrong.

If so then these thing are happening in Libya and are being perpetrated by gaddafi's troops against his own people, so is what is happening in Libya not also wrong ?

or along those lines, it is a moralistic argument, it is a bit black and white but there is some truth to it.

MarMan, what Honeybee is trying to get at is who decides what is right and wrong ??

If most of America thinks something is right, does that make it right ? what about if most people in India think it is wrong who has the moral authority ?

In Libya, the UN is backing one side over the other, but the UN only covers a small portion of the world countries, so does that in fact mean that it is those who have the military power to back it up that get to decided what is right or wrong? which is really what has been the case through out history.

I suppose we like to believe that we live in more enlightened times were might does not rule, but in reality we would be wrong.