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Nov 24th, 2010, 11:14 AM
#22
Re: OMG - Ignorance or Stupidity
The important thing to remember is that the Tories 'won' the last election in so far as they had the highest vote count. The Lib Dems really didn't some anywhere at all and they actually went backwards on previous results
Well some people would dispute the idea that they won, and say really they were just first amongst losers, but yes they did have the most votes out of the 3 main parties.
With that in mind I have to accept that this parliament will be driven primarily by the Tory agenda, that's what the public voted for
Did they ? the majority of people actually did not vote conservative so to say there agenda was what people voted for is not quite true. Of course they are the larger party in the coalition but you would have thought that when they couldn't win outright against a virtually unelectable Gordon Brown, they may have a little more humility and compromise maybe a little more.
It seems to me that the Tories are getting rather the better end of the deal in this coalition, and it is the Lib Dem's that are having to break rather more of there principles then the other way round.
What I'm looking for the Lib Dems to do (and I believe they have done, reasonably well) is limit the extent to which that agenda is applied. So, for example, we've got an immigration cap because that's the Tory agenda, but it's been set at the highest level that the independent consultations were recommending. The burden of the debt recovery is being shouldered primarily by service cuts rather than tax rises because, again, that's the Tories agenda. But the balance swung back toward tax by 2 or 3 percent* as a result of the Lib Dems pulling in the other direction.
The immigration cap is a bit of a red herring for me, and a load of nonsense policy, everyone with any sense knows that the vast majority of immigration comes through the EU about which we have no control, and the only reason the Tories are pursuing it is after there talk of being tough on immigration in the election they need to be seen to be doing something however ineffective and counter-productive.
As for the burden of the debt recovery, to me it seems that the less well off are going to be paying quite a bit more proportionally, and most of that is through service cuts.
I have to say the one policy that the Libs Dem's have got through that is a really big one of their's is the raising of the Income Tax limit, which i think is a really good policy (even though it has very little effect on me personally).
The tuition fees issue is an interesting one. The Libs really did set their stall up on that and do appear to have U-Turned. I'm not sure that U-Turn is really real though. I'm willing to bet none of the Libs wanted the rise and were arguing against it behind closed doors.
There is lot of the anger here is due to there being a large number of Lib Dems who campaigned in university towns & campuses and won partly on the basis of signing pledges to abolish tuition fees never mind freeze them.
Yes i know that there is a lot of opposition to it in the Lib Dems ranks, but Clegg has been positively creaming himself over the Tory policy.
Although not really a Lib Dem, i have always liked a lot of there politicians (edit - as much as you can like any Politician) and i have to say most of them have acted in a reasonable way since coming in to office, but to me Nick Clegg has been acting like he is a member of the conservative party since he has come to power rather then the leader of the Lib Dems.
Do you not feel slightly embarrassed about him ?
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