i wasn't referring to vb6 being a pioneer, i was referring to visual basic in general (starting with 1.0 which ran in dos) being a pioneer. Although other languages precede it, none were near as widespread due to the fact that it's pretty darn hard to write anything object oriented in dos. VB did it with a fake (ascii-art) GUI you could put your apps in complete with buttons. And to make the transition easy from qbasic (which every windows install had up until winme) it was backwards compatible and could compile qbasic apps into .exe. But that's neither here nor there.

I have serious doubts to any ibm coders programming anything in vb6. Cobol seems to be their preferred language, and if you are programming specifically for business use, it is actually easier to use than vb due to the focused design. And cobol is far from dead and it is still being taught an my local university, whereas vb6 is NOT.

And DEANMC, opinions are like butts. Everyone has one and they all stink. That's fine if you wish to criticize (for example) my website, but where do you come off doing a rant like that when it wasn't even the thread topic? This thread is so far off topic now it wouldn't amaze me if it got closed. This is not a chit-chat thread, it's general developer, and i can't believe it hasn't been edited for content by a moderator already with a stern warning all around for everyone.