AdWords Poison!!

[visualAd]

So when did JM decide to litter our posts with adwords?

VB Microsoft visual Studio VB.NET C#

[JPnyc]

Not sure when that was decided, exactly. Was implemented today.

[Milk]

boo hiss

Money talks I suppose.

[LaVolpe]

And what's it doing to some tags ?????

Edited: Different browsers may be displaying things differently. Look at post #11 below for a screenshot of what I'm seeing.

Example 1 & 4 are identical, but displayed differently. Something is broke I think. This just started with the ad words addition. I have referenced this link from vbAccelerator several times and never before seen the behavior exhibited.

Example 1: The same URL using the Insert Link button in the editor

Example 2: This is same link using the noparse tag
http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/code/Libraries/Subclassing/Tile_a_Bitmap_Into_a_TextBox/article.asp

Example 3: This is the same link simply allowing option to "Automatically parse links in text"
http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb...ox/article.asp

Example 4: The same URL using the Insert Link button in the editor

Is it just me or did I do something wrong? For those that know this stuff inside and out, simply hit the quote and look at the tags I used.

[Nightwalker83]

I haven't seen anything on the forum such as Adam posted (apart from his post).

Example 1 & 4 are identical, but displayed differently. Something is broke I think. This just started with the ad words addition. I have reference this link from vbAccelerator several times and never before seen the behavior exhibited.

The only thing I noticed that was different was with the first link, when you hover over it that ad for "Visual Studios 2010" appears.

[JPnyc]

asp.net

[LaVolpe]

The only thing I noticed that was different was with the first link, when you hover over it that ad for "Visual Studios 2010" appears.

Yep, its as if the code behind the ad words is attempting to do this within some tags; thus messing it up.

[JPnyc]

I don't see it doing anything. I'm afraid I'm not seeing your point. What is it doing exactly?

[RobDog888]

You may want to post up what browser and version you are using just in case

[Nightwalker83]

asp.net

Damn you beat me to it! I posted this in Brad's Test Area thread:

Although, it seems to me as long as you don't name the link you wont have problems with the pop ups.

Edit:

I don't see it doing anything. I'm afraid I'm not seeing your point. What is it doing exactly?

As the above quote suggests the pictures only appear if you name the link but don't include the domain in the name.

asp

[LaVolpe]

Ok, if you aren't seeing the same thing I am, then something else may be up.
Browser: IE8, all the latest service packs

Look at the attached image. Example1 and Example4 are exactly the same text, copied and pasted. But one is displayed incorrectly

[JuggaloBrotha]

I think the adword thing should just be removed altogether, those get extremely annoying very fast

[JPnyc]

example number one is not properly formatted for linking on the forum. If you use BB code, which is the only way to get a link to appear on the forum, the function will not affect it, as is evidenced by the links below it which all function properly. VB will not parse HTML directly posted to the forum.

[LaVolpe]

example number one is not properly formatted for linking on the forum. If you use BB code, which is the only way to get a link to appear on the forum, the function will not affect it, as is evidenced by the links below it which all function properly. VB will not parse HTML directly posted to the forum.

Ok, you lost me.
All I did, which is what I've been doing since I got to these forums was
1. Highlight the text I want to be linked
2. Click the "Insert Link" button in the editor
3. Paste the URL into the popup InputBox
4. Save the posting.
I didn't do anything manually.

Edited: The same exact link in Post #2 on this thread was working correctly 3 days ago, but now I see it the same way as Example 1 in the the screen shot above in post #11.

[Nightwalker83]

example number one is not properly formatted for linking on the forum. If you use BB code, which is the only way to get a link to appear on the forum, the function will not affect it, as is evidenced by the links below it which all function properly. VB will not parse HTML directly posted to the forum.

Although, visualAd doesn't use any link in his post and it still happens?

[JPnyc]

His post doesn't contain any links, save those created by this function.

[JPnyc]

asp.net

[JPnyc]

Ah, now I see it. Ok, I'll get the author to fix that.


edit: that's only on quick reply and only until page refresh. Upon refresh the link returns to normal

[LaVolpe]

Ah, now I see it. Ok, I'll get the author to fix that.

Regarding the issue I mentioned? If so, kewl!

On a recent reply, my frustration level skyrocketed a bit when I couldn't get a simple link to display correctly; finally just used noparse so I didn't confuse the poor OP even more.

Edited: Regarding the refresh. Nope. I've refreshed this page a dozen times already -- no change.

[Nightwalker83]

Typing the link in manually will work.

Edited: Regarding the refresh. Nope. I've refreshed this page a dozen times already -- no change.

Same here!

[JPnyc]

Regarding the issue I mentioned? If so, kewl!

On a recent reply, my frustration level skyrocketed a bit when I couldn't get a simple link to display correctly; finally just used noparse so I didn't confuse the poor OP even more.

Edited: Regarding the refresh. Nope. I've refreshed this page a dozen times already -- no change.

I just created a link using the same URL as you and naming it a key word I know is in the list. You can see in my post, link functions

[LaVolpe]

You can see in my post, link functions

Sorry, don't mean to appear dense... Link functions post?

Oh and if you are bringing this up to the author, here's another one.
In one of my replies, I used the word compiled, but the ad word triggered on the root word only. Looks a bit unprofessional IMO. Maybe suggest whole word searches? And possibly don't link to words surrounded by tags.

Edited: Hmmm, people still playing with it I guess. In preview mode compile (without the end "d") was ad-word linked, but it isn't anymore. And now that I edited the post, it is now linked again -- strange brew.

[brad jones]

Actually.... JM doesn't own this forum anymore, so they didn't decide to clutter it up...

Additionally, Ad words came to Jupitermedia several years ago. A 3rd party version has added on forums and sites for quite a while (see HTMLGoodies or Flashkit). The version here is much, much, much more tame than what is elsewhere, so I wouldn't complain too loudly, or the "powers that be" might ignore Joe and I and go with what is elsewhere since it has bigger ads, more links, and requires you to click to close the pop-up....

If you'd rather, we can add the right ad bar that is on all the other forums (see http://www.Codeguru.com/forum if you need an example). Of course, it wouldn't include the 'hide" link that is on Codeguru as we don't really do that.

All said, I think what is here isn't so bad compared to what most sites have. Additionally, with the restrictions we were able to include, there won't be an annoyingly large number of links on any thread.

Brad!

[brad jones]

Edited: Hmmm, people still playing with it I guess. In preview mode compile (without the end "d") was ad-word linked, but it isn't anymore. And now that I edited the post, it is now linked again -- strange brew.

Actually, the links are dynamic. Because there are restrictions on how many words can be linked, the parser stops when it reaches the various criteria. As such, as posts are added or edited in a thread, the words that are linked might change if more targeted keywords are added.

As to the partial word linking -- I agree it looks goofy. That is something we'll request be fixed. Chances are, we will simply add more words (such as compiled) to help prevent the issue.

Brad!

[JPnyc]

http://www.vbforums.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=17
I used the same URL and named it a keyword using the link button and it works.

[LaVolpe]

Actually, the links are dynamic. Because there are restrictions on how many words can be linked, the parser stops when it reaches the various criteria. As such, as posts are added or edited in a thread, the words that are linked might change if more targeted keywords are added.

Brad, thanx for the reply. But I still think something is not right with the links.

If you look at post #11 screenshot which is of post #4, you will see the links in Example 1 and 4 do not display the same, even though they contain exactly the same text. I simply copied and pasted the text. The link itself, including the http prefix is 104 chars; not that long really.

This may help troubleshooting the problem a bit easier. If you take what I posted in #4 (i.e., quote) and remove the first Example, Example 4 still displays correctly. So why does it display incorrectly when it is the first URL link in the posting? More of a question for you guys.

[JPnyc]

I just used the URL from example 1 in the post I linked you to. I used the insert link button in the text editor toolbar.

[LaVolpe]

I just used the URL from example 1 in the post I linked you to. I used the insert link button in the text editor toolbar.

I see what you are talking about. I think its just a logic bug with the ad-word routines. Maybe it only hits on the first instance? Maybe because the asp in the original link ended in no punctuation? I don't know and honestly I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Not my code, out of my control, not my problem. I thought the very least I can do was raise the issue and vent, just a little.

There's something wrong nonetheless. In the URL link I used, there is no target= anywhere in the link, so that was added by some other process.

[JPnyc]

That's what I said earlier. If you use quick reply, you will see the issue you are talking about. If you use regular reply you won't. However, that issue with quick reply, you're the only one who will ever see it unless you post the code the way you did, using the actual HTML. I mean unless somebody's looking over your shoulder. The moment you refresh the link will be fine. Try it again, you'll see.

[LaVolpe]

... The moment you refresh the link will be fine. Try it again, you'll see.

Trust me. I refreshed over a dozen times, closed IE, came back, closed IE again, visited some other forum sections, came back. No matter what, I still see post #4's Example1 as in the screenshot in post #11. Absolutely no difference. The only thing I didn't do was clear my cookies and that I doubt has any bearing.

[JPnyc]

Try it again.

[LaVolpe]

Try what again? Refreshing? Ok, did it and I still see this in post #4:
asp" target="_blank">

Do you want me to go to advanced editing and change something and save it?

[JPnyc]

asp" target="_blank"> this cannot have been posted as it is via the URL insertion link. It is impossible. I defy you to re-create it because it cannot be done. What you did, is post the HTML. It's the only way it could possibly show up that way on the forum. There is no other way. You can refresh that until the second Ice Age and it will always look like that. And without this function it would still look like that because the forum does not parse HTML.

Since you are reluctant to try it again I will direct you again to the post of mine that I linked you to. I am using the exact same URL that you claimed you used in the first example. I used a keyword as you did. The link is completely functional once page is refreshed

please remove the spaces from what's below and post it. This is the URL from your first example, named using a keyword and using BB code, which is the only way you can get a link to appear as a link on the forum, and have text

[ URL="http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/code/Libraries/Subclassing/Tile_a_Bitmap_Into_a_TextBox/article.asp"]asp.net[/URL ]

[JPnyc]

The same URL using the Insert Link button in the editor

[brad jones]

I took a look at post 4. Something is wrong. I see where Joe is coming from too, but when I look at the text posted to vBulletin (editing the post), I see that it truly is a URL tag that is being parsed wrong. At least in Firefox.

We'll look into this.

Thanks

Brad!

[JPnyc]

Nevermind, you're right, if I start a new thread using the example from your first post I get the same results. My apologies. Now we have to figure out why only when beginning a thread

[LaVolpe]

I'm not reluctant, I obviously cannot guess what you mean by try it again? If you mean try adding the link again, outside of the quick reply, I'll try that now. But a little more clarity with the statement "try it again" would have been helpful.

P.S. I didn't copy the web contents, I simply copied the url from IE's address textbox. Something I've done 1000 times before. And I repeat, in that posting the text that follows Example 1: is the exact same text that follows Example 4:. I simply copy and pasted the text.

Now here goes some tests
1. Adding the link using the "Insert Link" button.
vbAcclerator Link

2. Copying and pasting what you posted, white space removed
asp.net

3. Using the same copy & paste, but changing the title to a word not in the list
LaVolpe

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Though I can't replicate the problem the 3rd time, twice it was done. Look at the link I referenced in Post 14. Whether you see the same thing I do or not, I don't know. But post #2 in that link (the same URL) displays just like Example 1, but that posting was done 3 days ago and hasn't been edited since. 3 days ago, it displayed fine and the OP visited the link. So, if I can replicate it twice but not three times, then I'd still lean towards a bug.

Here's another nasty. Hover over the link in para 2 above. You can't even click on the actual link, because the ad-word popup is in the way and it wants to take you to devx.com. That should be corrected too I would imagine.
Edited: If it pops up, it is not consistent.

Last but not least. Here is the acutal link information that shows up in post #4 above and the one linked to in post #14, using noparse tags to display it below.
http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/code/Libraries/Subclassing/Tile_a_Bitmap_Into_a_TextBox/article.%3Ca%20href=

Where the bogus link information came from? It's a bug, because it wasn't what I pasted in there. I copy & paste URLs the same way, every time: Right click on browser address textbox, select Copy, click on "Insert Link" button on editor's toolbar, right click on inputbox, click Paste.

[brad jones]

Nevermind, you're right, if I start a new thread using the example from your first post I get the same results. My apologies. Now we have to figure out why only when beginning a thread

Actually we need to figure out why it is parsing with an anchor tag, as it shouldn't be based on the code logic.

The reason it is only at the beginning of the thread is because we limit the number of words that can be linked to ads in a thread and those are selected from the top of the thread then going down

Regardless, this bug is noted and we are looking into it.

Brad!

[visualAd]

All said, I think what is here isn't so bad compared to what most sites have.

You're right, its not bad, its disgraceful.

If I want to put links in my posts, it should be my decision. You have said time and time again, that this site isn't as bad as other JM sites, but that doesn't prevent it from getting worse. You are moving the goal posts.

so I wouldn't complain too loudly, or the "powers that be" might ignore Joe and I and go with what is elsewhere since it has bigger ads, more links, and requires you to click to close the pop-up....

Trying to scare us into not complaining? Heard it all before!!! Yawn!!

Thats my two cents. I suppose I could leave but I enjoy helping out every once in a while (sure I am not as frequent as I used to be). I am sure that some people will be put off a bit by it and go to your competitor sites more often, but who said that any of these descisions were meant to make good business sense.

[RhinoBull]

Why are they created? It does it for VB, ADO at least... Very annoying.
There used to a link in the middle of screen - I thought it was enough...

Just noticed: I din't have to upload image - it did it anyway for those key words.