Windows 7 RTM Announced - 08.06.09

[Cander]

Even if some aren't excited about the new IDE, the new Framework and language features are way cool!

Note sure what some may not like about the IDE but I think it looks great. And of course the multi monitor support = !

[jmcilhinney]

Note sure what some may not like about the IDE but I think it looks great. And of course the multi monitor support = !

I like it too but I've seen at least one other thread with criticisms. I think they could be accounted for by its beta status though.

[Nightwalker83]

It says "defragmenting hard disks" or something, what more does it need to say to tell you that its working? I admit its not as good as the XP one dont get me wrong, as the XP one at least gives you a progress bar... but thats not what you said originally - you said diagnostics, which a progress bar and a pretty graph is not

Take a look here:

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=578222

Entity X said it took 2 hours and 40 minutes to defrag supposedly with the Vista program.

Well in that case I am stuffed! My pc "C:\" is a terabyte and the "D:\" is just under 75GB in size.

"C:\" has 240GB used and "D:\" has 8GB used.

Just finished defraging the pc with Auslogics and it only took 16 minutes to finish both drives. Vista defrag is still going. I think MS forgot to implement the defrag part so all you get is the interface.

The Vista defrag also seems to be really slow.

[RobDog888]

In fact W7 is little faster ( lighter ) than VISTA but looks more treacly

Win7 boots up much faster then Vista in a side by side same exact built / configured systems.

[chris128]

Take a look here:

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=578222

Entity X said it took 2 hours and 40 minutes to defrag supposedly with the Vista program.

The Vista defrag also seems to be really slow.

You linked to a thread which you seem to have not read... because if you had read it then you would understand that as Klienma said - its meant to be run in the background on a schedule, so it runs at very low priority. Of course some third party app that runs at normal/high priority and makes the most of all resources available to it will be faster.

[Nightwalker83]

You linked to a thread which you seem to have not read... because if you had read it then you would understand that as Klienma said - its meant to be run in the background on a schedule, so it runs at very low priority. Of course some third party app that runs at normal/high priority and makes the most of all resources available to it will be faster.

Ah I missed that post! However, that being said that defrag program would not be worth the time if you had a hard drive as big as mine!

[RobDog888]

Just another reason why not to buy huge HD's. Use multiple smaller ones.

[Nightwalker83]

Just another reason why not to buy huge HD's. Use multiple smaller ones.

Yeah, however, I only have a enough room in my tower for 2/3 hard drives! I did not want to waste my money buying small drives when I did not have enough space in the tower to install them nor the drives only 300GB. As I stated above my pc's "c:\" drive is at 240GB of capacity.

[Nightwalker83]

Well, only a few more hours and Win 7 RTM should be available! I can't wait.

[RobDog888]

About 8 hours to go!!!

[Nightwalker83]

About 8 hours to go!!!

I think the US needs a kick up the back-side Australia is already at the 6 August.

[RobDog888]

Dont you know that Microsoft is the center of all?
MST = Microsoft Standard Time

6 hours lol

[Nightwalker83]

Dont you know that Microsoft is the center of all?
MST = Microsoft Standard Time

6 hours lol

Bill Gates for President!

[chris128]

lol Bill Gates isnt actually in charge anymore, I think Steve Ballmer (or whatever his name is) is the big boss of MS now - therefore he should be president

[jmcilhinney]

Microsoft are so lazy. It's been August 6 over there for almost 7 hours now! It's 10 minutes to August 7 here and it's a school night so I have to go to bed! Why wasn't someone there to make Win7 available at 12:00:01 in Redmond? I could have had several systems up and running by now.

[Cander]

/me taps foot.
/me looks at watch.

[RobDog888]

Maybe it wont happen today? There was a bug found int he RTM version - http://winbeta.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=34&t=10084

Who knows but it should have been posted already.

[Cander]

Maybe it wont happen today? There was a bug found int he RTM version - http://winbeta.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=34&t=10084

Who knows but it should have been posted already.

That makes my new computer I just finished putting together yesterday sad.

[chris128]

Maybe it wont happen today? There was a bug found int he RTM version - http://winbeta.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=34&t=10084

Who knows but it should have been posted already.

If you read one of the links off that page though it says that Stefan Jonosky (or whatever his name is) says that this is not that critical and is certainly not a showstopper... and he is the head of the Windows team.

[Cander]

It's up now.

[RobDog888]

Downloading

What version are you gyys downloading? 32 or 64 bit?

[chris128]

Just dont go running chkdsk on any secondary drives guys :P

[jmcilhinney]

Downloading

What version are you gyys downloading? 32 or 64 bit?

Just started downloading x64 at 8:20 AM. Should be done when I get home from work. I'll download x86 later during my ISP's off-peak period.

[Cander]

Dowloading 64 bit Ultimate

[RobDog888]

Yea Im gonna DL both bits too. Currently only ~30 mins to go for completion of 64bit version

[Nightwalker83]

I'm probably going to download 32 bit Ultimate.

lol Bill Gates isnt actually in charge anymore, I think Steve Ballmer (or whatever his name is) is the big boss of MS now - therefore he should be president

Yes, you are correct!

[jmcilhinney]

How could we developers, developers, developers ever forget Steve Ballmer, Ballmer, Ballmer?

Don't forget that Virtual PC doesn't support 64-bit client OSes so, even if you install on a 64-bit host. As such the x86 version will be required for virtual machines on VPC. I haven't tested out the new virtualisation support in Win7 but I don't think it extends to 64-bit clients.

[RobDog888]

So best to install 64 bit and run a vm for the 32 bit as we still need to develop with VB6

[chris128]

How could we developers, developers, developers ever forget Steve Ballmer, Ballmer, Ballmer?

Don't forget that Virtual PC doesn't support 64-bit client OSes so, even if you install on a 64-bit host. As such the x86 version will be required for virtual machines on VPC. I haven't tested out the new virtualisation support in Win7 but I don't think it extends to 64-bit clients.

Hyper V Server supports 64 bit OS's so if you have a spare PC that you can stick that on then jobs a good'un (its free)

[jmcilhinney]

Hyper V Server supports 64 bit OS's so if you have a spare PC that you can stick that on then jobs a good'un (its free)

Yes but unfortunately I don't have a spare system that supports virtualisation in hardware, which Hyper V requires. Certain people at home who shall remain nameless won't let me get another system to build a proper server. How humiliating!

[chris128]

How humiliating!

You are indeed the laughing stock of this community

Do I have a spare machine that supports virtualization? No

[JuggaloBrotha]

I plan on dling x64 Ultimate next November and installing it on my laptop first, then later for dev desktop.

Is there anything w/ VS 2005/2008 and x64 Windows I should know about? I'll be running VS 2005 & VS 2008 on Win7 for both my laptop and my desktop.

[jmcilhinney]

I plan on dling x64 Ultimate next November and installing it on my laptop first, then later for dev desktop.

Is there anything w/ VS 2005/2008 and x64 Windows I should know about? I'll be running VS 2005 & VS 2008 on Win7 for both my laptop and my desktop.

The only thing I can think of is that you'll need a hotfix for SQL Server Express 2008 support in VS 2008, unless SP2 has been released by then.

[RobDog888]

Yes but unfortunately I don't have a spare system that supports virtualisation in hardware, which Hyper V requires. Certain people at home who shall remain nameless won't let me get another system to build a proper server. How humiliating!

Just tell your cat that it wont get any catnip unless you can buy a new system.

Downloaded both 64 and 32 versions so far. Im thinking of installing the 64bit but then I lose the ability to develop VB6 apps lol. Dont really want to use a vm so I guess I will try 64bit and see how it goes.

[DeanMc]

Yes but unfortunately I don't have a spare system that supports virtualisation in hardware, which Hyper V requires. Certain people at home who shall remain nameless won't let me get another system to build a proper server. How humiliating!

I have the same problem... I mean I cannot understand why I cannot build a windows 7 box with 4 tb of storage and 8gb of ram to hold music on, I mean my current windows vista ultimate box with 1tb of storage and 4 gb of ram is really starting to show its age and my .mp3's are really struggling to play on it.....

[JuggaloBrotha]

Just tell your cat that it wont get any catnip unless you can buy a new system.

Downloaded both 64 and 32 versions so far. Im thinking of installing the 64bit but then I lose the ability to develop VB6 apps lol. Dont really want to use a vm so I guess I will try 64bit and see how it goes.

I'll be keeping an XP vm for vb6 and VS 2003 (not that I use VS 2003 much anymore, I actually use vb6 more than VS2003)

[chris128]

I have the same problem... I mean I cannot understand why I cannot build a windows 7 box with 4 tb of storage and 8gb of ram to hold music on, I mean my current windows vista ultimate box with 1tb of storage and 4 gb of ram is really starting to show its age and my .mp3's are really struggling to play on it.....

haha are you implying that you need something like that to run Hyper V Server?? Most modern laptops can run Hyper V

[Cander]

So far I am totally impressed. It installed fast. Run very slick. And I really like how they took the Mac OS X dock and improved on it.

[kfcSmitty]

Woo, just found out that work has a technet subscription...Downloading 7 as I type this

[ntg]

Ehm...I've several VS 2003 solutions in production so I have to install VS 2003. Once I fire up the installation, I get the well-known message:

"This machine is missing components required for local Web application and Web service development..."

and Front Page Server Extensions (FPSE) are missing. After some surprise of not being able to install them by turining windows features on and off (they're not included), I came across a few posts which indidate that FPSE are not supported for Win7 and they are no plans to support them on Win7.

Can anyone confirm this? If it's true, it's a problem that I can't work around.