The Youngest...

[timeshifter]

Now learn a real language, get fluent with CSS and jQuery, and go get a job

[minitech]

VB is a real language. And why would I bother learning another one? I just started making classic arcade games.

And I'm good with CSS. As in very, popups with CSS+javascript and pretty borders for professional pages.

As for jQuery, what is it?

[timeshifter]

Yeah, go code some more. You've got some learning to do.

[dclamp]

VB is a real language. And why would I bother learning another one? I just started making classic arcade games.

And I'm good with CSS. As in very, popups with CSS+javascript and pretty borders for professional pages.

As for jQuery, what is it?

Why limit yourself to vb? That's like being a chef, and only cook using a microwave.

[minitech]

How so?

[timeshifter]

TI-BASIC, VB6, VB.NET (2.0 - 3.5), C# (3.5 mainly), ASP.NET, HTML, JavaScript, CSS, jQuery, T-SQL... now that's a skill set for the modern world.

[minitech]

Too bad I don't have enough time to learn them. I average 7 hrs a week on computer.

[timeshifter]

Then how do you think you're justified in claiming you're very good with technologies that many people on this forum make a LIVING using?

[demotivater]

Fight, fight, fight!

[dclamp]

Too bad I don't have enough time to learn them. I average 7 hrs a week on computer.

So thats about 364 hours a year. I spend roughly 2988 hours yearly on the computer. I am sure ts spends more time than me on the computer...

Epic fail.

[timeshifter]

9 hours a day at work, plus usually another 5 at home after work... a little over 5000 hours yearly.

Yeah.

[timeshifter]

Learned HTML: 7
Did a MsgBox: 9
Learned simple VB: 9-10
Now: 11

Lest you get the wrong idea, I'm not trying to knock you down... just show you that boasting in a forum full of true expert programmers probably isn't a good idea. Please ask questions to learn, but do realize that you're getting help from people a LOT smarter than you.

[crptcblade]

but do realize that you're getting help from people a LOT smarter than you.

And occassionally I answer questions, too.

[timeshifter]

Yeah, watch out for crptc... he might try to steal your soul with an army of carpenter ants armed with Uzi's...

[kregg]

Yeah, watch out for crptc... he might try to steal your soul with an army of carpenter ants armed with Uzi's...

[Shaggy Hiker]

Lest you get the wrong idea, I'm not trying to knock you down... just show you that boasting in a forum full of true expert programmers probably isn't a good idea. Please ask questions to learn, but do realize that you're getting help from people a LOT smarter than you.

What kind of post is THAT! Do you have goon tattooed on your forehead? Is it forwards or backwards (so you can read it in a mirror)?

There are some people with lots of experience (and some even have a life as opposed to people who claim they spend 14 hours a day on the computer), and there are some very smart people, but suggesting that group X is a LOT smarter than anyone is the road to idiotic cult worship.

That's a heckuva good start for someone that age. If he sticks with it he'll go far. Heck, he probably won't have to list TI-BASIC (obscure and trivial, it would be like me listing CR-10 assembly code) and T-SQL (whoop-de-doo) to puff up the list of languages.

Be aware of what's out there, but don't bother learning languages that you aren't using, they'll probably go away before you have a need for them. C/C++ and ASM have stuck around for decades. Everything else...not so much. VB6 probably isn't worth learning if you don't know it already. VB4 and earlier are DEFINITELY not worth learning. COBOL? Forget it. Pascal? Forget it, unless you want to work in Delphi. FORTRAN? Forget it.

Those were the languages when I was in school (not VB, that wasn't out yet). What will be around in ten years when you enter the work force? Will there be Perl, Ruby, Python, Java or .NET? I would bet on some version of Java...maybe, some version of .NET, but version 7.0, and one of the others. There will also be half a dozen other hot new languages.

[timeshifter]

I do stare at my screen for 14 hours a day, and I've pioneered several pretty wild systems for my company, and I have no problem at all saying that the people who tend to answer questions the best are considerably smarter than me. I enjoy getting help from them, because I know it's a great way to get better myself. There's no competition here, but boasting when you don't know the arena you're in is a recipe to upset people.

[minitech]

Then how do you think you're justified in claiming you're very good with technologies that many people on this forum make a LIVING using?

I never said that.

[minitech]

I said I know them. Sorry, that's different from being an expert. 'Fraid you misunderstood. And I am not a boaster. No need to get angry.

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"I'm not trying to knock you down.." you say... well, you definetely can't knock me down. I'm not up

[EntityX]

I see people referring to CSS. Is that short for C Sharp Super or C Sharp Something or other or maybe it's not C Sharp at all.

[minitech]

Cascading style sheets. Used with HTML to give style to a page.

[minitech]

Lest you get the wrong idea, I'm not trying to knock you down... just show you that boasting in a forum full of true expert programmers probably isn't a good idea. Please ask questions to learn, but do realize that you're getting help from people a LOT smarter than you.

I do not understand how that is boasting... just following the thread topic.

[dclamp]

Anyway...

[mendhak]

I do not understand how that is boasting... just following the thread topic.

Don't worry about timeshifter, he knows that harassing someone on a forum will get him into trouble. You wouldn't do that now, would you timeshifter?

Also, I am one of the oldest members on this forum, you can check my date of birth!

[MaximilianMayrhofer]

Haha, timeshifter is always first on the bannedwagon. Followed closely by me.

[JuggaloBrotha]

Cascading style sheets. Used with HTML to give style to a page.

It's also short for: CounterStrike Source (which imho will always be better than Halo)

and it's short for where I work: Center for Shared Solutions

[dbasnett]

"COBOL? Forget it." What I have found recently is that a lot of State Gov't still use COBOL, because uncle IBM has made it easy to do so. So if you happen to know COBOL and don't mind maintenance, you can find a job.

[timeshifter]

Don't worry about timeshifter, he knows that harassing someone on a forum will get him into trouble. You wouldn't do that now, would you timeshifter?

Also, I am one of the oldest members on this forum, you can check my date of birth!

Which is why I made the statement that I wasn't trying to knock him down, just make sure that he knows the amount of talent lurking about this forum.

[Shaggy Hiker]

"COBOL? Forget it." What I have found recently is that a lot of State Gov't still use COBOL, because uncle IBM has made it easy to do so. So if you happen to know COBOL and don't mind maintenance, you can find a job.

My state government would generally find it an improvement if they upgraded to using paper. Those damn tablets keep crumbling.


@Timeshifter: Everybody can teach me something. Not that many are smarter.

@Minitech: Keep it up, you're doing great. I need a whole bunch like you to pay for my old age. I intend to be high maintenance, too, so you better get a good paying job and work hard at it.

[JuggaloBrotha]

"COBOL? Forget it." What I have found recently is that a lot of State Gov't still use COBOL, because uncle IBM has made it easy to do so. So if you happen to know COBOL and don't mind maintenance, you can find a job.

Luckily, not Michigan (at least mdit, the core of MI) We're .Net (mix of vb and c#) and Java with a twist of vb scripts for server maintenance.

[Nightwalker83]

i am 20 in dog years.

140!

[BillGeek]

It's also short for: CounterStrike Source (which imho will always be better than Halo)

What??? Never played CSSource. If it's really better than Halo, I'd rather deposit 500 bucks (10 GBP for ye Brits) to my XBL account and try that rather than buy Halo Wars. Source is included in the Orange Box, right? (I'm SERIOUSLY starting to forget everything...)

[JuggaloBrotha]

What??? Never played CSSource. If it's really better than Halo, I'd rather deposit 500 bucks (10 GBP for ye Brits) to my XBL account and try that rather than buy Halo Wars. Source is included in the Orange Box, right? (I'm SERIOUSLY starting to forget everything...)

I said "in my honest opinion css will always be better than Halo" there's thousands of other people who would say otherwise though

Yes css comes with the orange box, so does hl2, portal, tf2 and a few others

[KTech]

I remember when I was a teenager and knew everything there was to know about computers. Everybody told me how smart I was all the time because nobody else knew how to do anything with them except play games but I taught myself programming. Then I went to college and found out that I really didn't know anything. There were tons of algorithms for different types of sorts and searches. There was documentation and coding standards that made it easier to work in large groups.
Then I got a job and found out there was a whole lot more I didn't know.

Now I work with all of the new-hires we get that are fresh out of college. They don't know crap when they get here and we have to train them in all of the stuff that we do. If you aren't writing code that links 25 different servers and manages terabytes of data and has to do it in under an hour you really are just getting started.

Just remember that all the work you are doing now will be a big bonus in the future because you are learning how to find out how to do stuff on your own which is a lot like it is when you have a job. You'll find that a lot of your time is spent surfing forums like this one to ask the other nerds and geeks of the world how to deal with the big problems that you encounter.

[JuggaloBrotha]

I remember when I was a teenager and knew everything there was to know about computers. Everybody told me how smart I was all the time because nobody else knew how to do anything with them except play games but I taught myself programming. Then I went to college and found out that I really didn't know anything. There were tons of algorithms for different types of sorts and searches. There was documentation and coding standards that made it easier to work in large groups.
Then I got a job and found out there was a whole lot more I didn't know.

Now I work with all of the new-hires we get that are fresh out of college. They don't know crap when they get here and we have to train them in all of the stuff that we do. If you aren't writing code that links 25 different servers and manages terabytes of data and has to do it in under an hour you really are just getting started.

Just remember that all the work you are doing now will be a big bonus in the future because you are learning how to find out how to do stuff on your own which is a lot like it is when you have a job. You'll find that a lot of your time is spent surfing forums like this one to ask the other nerds and geeks of the world how to deal with the big problems that you encounter.

To back this up, I've learned more from this forum than I ever did growing up tinkering with programming and everything I've learned in school combined.

[minitech]

My library's search program is really bad. As soon as it sees "Advanced" and "Basic" in the same sentence, it shows "No results found." I wonder how many people that has stopped from learning "Advanced Visual Basic"...

;D ;D ;D

[kregg]

What??? Never played CSSource. If it's really better than Halo, I'd rather deposit 500 bucks (10 GBP for ye Brits) to my XBL account and try that rather than buy Halo Wars. Source is included in the Orange Box, right? (I'm SERIOUSLY starting to forget everything...)

Nope, it isn't in the Orange Box. However, if you did buy Half Life 2 standalone game, you got Counter-Strike Source with it (I think...). I got one of those HL2 special editions which also gave me HL2: Deathmatch, HL: Source, and HL: Source Deathmatch.

[Shaggy Hiker]

If you aren't writing code that links 25 different servers and manages terabytes of data and has to do it in under an hour you really are just getting started.

Actually, that depends very much on WHERE you work, and doing what.

I would say that if you haven't run your database through a dishwasher or suspended it in a river for a few days, then you are just getting started. And I'm just getting started, as I have done the first, but only talked about doing the second (I came close, though, as I left it in water for 24 hours, it just wasn't turbulent, flowing, water, nor was it eaten by a deranged beaver).

[dbasnett]

I am 50 something years old and was programming before a lot of you were even born. It is humbling to know only one thing for certain, I don't really know much.

[MaximilianMayrhofer]

The modesty is starting to become immodest.