Is this the beginning?

[axion_sa]

One by one, rather innocuous. All together though...

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...postid=1376191
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=233871
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=233861
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=233863


Do I get to be a moderator for this?

[plenderj]

Hmmmmmm. An eye shall be kept on that particular user. I can assure you of that

[axion_sa]

Originally posted by plenderj
Hmmmmmm. An eye shall be kept on that particular user. I can assure you of that

Definitely a good idea But a VB virus?

[plenderj]

No reason why you couldn't write a virus in VB.
If you compiled it in VB5, and used older version of the controls, you'd be guaranteed no-one won't have the dependenceies required.

And if you UPX'd the executable, then virus scanners probably wouldn't be able to tell whether its a virus or not...

[honeybee]

Originally posted by axion_sa
Definitely a good idea But a VB virus?

A VB Virus?? Must be out of his head, that fella. Or must really be a newbie to VB as he claims

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[axion_sa]

UPX? I guess you're right about the dependencies story, but doing it in VB isn't a serious way to go around it
If you're going to do it, do it properly - lose sleep over Asm

[Nightwalker83]

Originally posted by plenderj
Hmmmmmm. An eye shall be kept on that particular user. I can assure you of that

Lot of newer users seem to post like though. Maybe you or Brad could post a forum rules thread or somethng.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Nightwalker83
Lot of newer users seem to post like though. Maybe you or Brad could post a forum rules thread or somethng.

I'd of thought something like that would be in an AUP somewhere.
I'll make sure of it though. Thanks

[Nightwalker83]

Originally posted by plenderj
I'd of thought something like that would be in an AUP somewhere.
I'll make sure of it though. Thanks

YW

[honeybee]

Originally posted by plenderj
I'd of thought something like that would be in an AUP somewhere.
I'll make sure of it though. Thanks

It will be there in the AUP, but the most difficult part is to prove that the user actually has malafide intentions. If nothing else, the user could simply hide under the "Curiosity" excuse. Hell, even I am sometimes curious to know if writing a virus will be possible in VB

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[venerable bede]

I'm scared !!

[plenderj]

Of course it would be possible.
Given the approach that virii take these days.

Write an app, which, when executed, displays some message or does something that the user was expecting so they don't think its a virus.
Then grab email addresses from outlook, fire off emails with virus attachments, replace files with the virus itself, put the virus into various plaes in the registry and system.ini or win.ini (whichever one has the run= line), autoexec.bat, the startup group in windows etc.

It would be fairly easy to write one of those sorts of virii.
Having said that though, yeah you'd want to be working with ASM or C to write a proper virus that infects exectuables etc.

[honeybee]

Oh my, a mod giving cues on virus-writing !

A VB worm would still require the VB runtimes, which is sort of "uncool" for the developer I guess it would be bad to create an installation package for a virus

C is much more exciting on the other hand. And you don't need to do much to even learn how to write a virus. You can study anything on TSRs and convert that into a Virus writing manual.

Oh, are we turning this thread into what some people are offended about ?

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[axion_sa]

Who's offended?!

[Nightwalker83]

It would be fairly easy to write one of those sorts of virii.
Having said that though, yeah you'd want to be working with ASM or C to write a proper virus that infects exectuables etc.

True those types of programs are fairly easy to obtain.

A VB worm would still require the VB runtimes, which is sort of "uncool" for the developer I guess it would be bad to create an installation package for a virus

I have never seen a viruses except macro viruses written in vb. Is it possible?

[honeybee]

Originally posted by Nightwalker83
True those types of programs are fairly easy to obtain.



I have never seen a viruses except macro viruses written in vb. Is it possible?

Sure it is. Macro viruses, like a Word macro for e.g. are written using VBA. If you have MS Word on your machine, you already have the files required for VBA scripts, or the macros, to run.

However, what if you don't have MS Word? In a plain (vanilla?) Win 98 system, a VB program or a macro simply wouldn't work. Imagine downloading a doc file with macros when you don't have MS Word or MS Office installed. Naturally the macro couldn't run!

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[honeybee]

Originally posted by axion_sa
Who's offended?!

Take no chances

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[Nightwalker83]

Originally posted by honeybee
Sure it is. Macro viruses, like a Word macro for e.g. are written using VBA. If you have MS Word on your machine, you already have the files required for VBA scripts, or the macros, to run.

However, what if you don't have MS Word? In a plain (vanilla?) Win 98 system, a VB program or a macro simply wouldn't work. Imagine downloading a doc file with macros when you don't have MS Word or MS Office installed. Naturally the macro couldn't run!

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Yeah I alread knew you could write macro viruses in vb. I didn't know if you could wriite a virus exe in vb though.

[axion_sa]

Originally posted by honeybee
Take no chances

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Understood Would you believe that there's sites out there that have virii source for download?

[honeybee]

Originally posted by axion_sa
Understood Would you believe that there's sites out there that have virii source for download?

If you say so. I think I can believe you

Alright, the internet is a bad place, where you can get many bad things

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[axion_sa]

Originally posted by honeybee
If you say so. I think I can believe you

Alright, the internet is a bad place, where you can get many bad things

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On of the PC magazines I read had a couple of links to a few of these sites, definitely bad places

[honeybee]

Originally posted by axion_sa
On of the PC magazines I read had a couple of links to a few of these sites, definitely bad places

Really? I regret saying I believe you. I could have disbelieved you and asked for the links to see for myself

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