How To Turn C++ Into VB.Net

I'm bored so I did this just to screw around. Instead of using common C++ datatypes such as int or char, I called them Integer and String, and just outputted the value into a messagebox. You can learn a lot from a bored dummy :bigyello:

c++ Code:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <windows.h>
 
typedef int Integer;
typedef char String;
 
Integer main(void); //Preprocessor directive
 
Integer main(void)
{   
    String Text[255];
    Integer Number = 5;
    sprintf(Text,"%i", Number);
    MessageBox(NULL, Text, "typedef test", MB_OK);
    return 0;
}

You can learn a lot from a crash test dummy, too, but it costs more.

sprintf always reminds me of Sprint for some strange reason

You must be very bored Jacob lol.....

Im spicing up my C++ skills. Nevermind strengthening C# or VB.Net. If Im gonna be a pro game designer, Im going where the skills are and where the speed is at. Although I know C++, Im still a noob at it if I compare my skills to someone who works at EA. Although personally I dislike EA cause of the DRM policies. I have a question though. Im interested in becoming an indy (independent) developer for the Sony Playstation 4. Where can I get the software development kit online for it?

You seriously wanna be a pro game programmer ? I can't fault that but I think you can make as much or even more money from writing programs that amount to little more than a few textboxes, grids and ADO.Net calls. Data is where the money seems to be. You have to have a solid hit to make money with games.

Senior Game Designers (one who has at least 7 years experience) make about $150,000 a year. Game programming is the hardest most complex programming in existence. And they are high in demand because of new technologies such as the next gen consoles, as well as pc gaming. Sounds to me like theres more money out there in that. Also I might be able to get a degree in it through Full Sail using online classes. Its getting to the point to where game budgets are as big as film making budgets.

I'm not disputing that its a rich field with the potential to make more money than you can spend in a lifetime. I'm just saying that there are programming projects that are orders of magnitudes less competitive while being much much easier to do yet one can still manage a good living from it. I'm not telling you not to follow your dream, I'm just being practical. Personally, I'd love to do that for a living, you know, write game engines and stuff but people aren't exactly lining up for that. I probably have like 20 unfinished projects here that all at one time was in demand all of which had to do with data. Had I finished them, I'd have had quite a bit of cash.....I donno, maybe its different where you are. Where I am, if I started writing games, I really don't know how I'd make money from that.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Roman

Game programming is the hardest most complex programming in existence.

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No. No it isn't. But thanks for contributing. ;)

Try writing code where there are some real consequences if it goes wrong. Life support, military control systems, civil avionics, industrial plant control... the list is long and illuminating. Game coding is at the trivially-easy end of the spectrum.

Hmmm... never thought of it like that... maybe that's why I prefer to do enterprise-level business development instead of games... clearly it's much more dangerous and risky.

Seriously though, I can't fault that either... I gave it a shot once... found out early on that I really didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I did solving business problems.

-tg

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Game programming is the hardest most complex programming in existence.

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Pah! A child could do it! Come to think of it, it's usually a child that does! (How did I ever get so old!)

Yoy obviously never created a complex game. It can get pretty complex, and require more math than einstein and newton can handle. When doing 3D though, there is an even higher order of coding such as visual surface determination, advanced lighting and shading techniques, volumetric shadows, realistic physics, etc.

There is a tendency to confuse volume and complexity. My experience of 3D modelling and so on is that there's a lot of it (so much that I now live by the motto "Life is too short for 3D modelling!) but I wouldn't really characterise it as complex! If I, a mere Humanities student, can master it sufficiently to have once written tutorials on it then anybody can!

Cutting edge games have always required the most out of computers. The whole area wanders into AI and problem solving, too, so it has all the complexity and intellectual challenge anybody can ask for. Of course, it is simple to create a simple game. Most games aren't life and death, either (except for Ender's Game, which is funny, since I've now made two references to that book in the last month or so), so I can see Wossname's point, but I agree more with JR. For life-critical systems, the challenge is not being a screw-up. For intellectual challenge, games are the hardest as long as the game in question is sufficiently hard. After all, we can all, relatively easily, come up with a game that is beyond the capabilities of any known computer, and it has always been so. The truly innovative games do something that wasn't thought possible. That's the pinnacle of creativity, and the reason that lots of us got into coding in the first place. On the other hand, there are very mundane problems that can be equally challenging. I eventually figured out that a certain problem I've been working on was as interesting and challenging as the robot brain I was working on. Better still, I can get paid for it. However, it makes extensive use of game designs to solve a very fuzzy business problem on which a few million dollars has already been wasted.

Games are life, life is games. Life is hard. Programming a game that is life is hard.

I'm inclined to agree with JR that games programming can be amongst the most challenging (though not misson critical) forms of programming. I'd disagree with it being well paid though. While it is possible to pull $150,000 pay packets it's extremely rare and basically involves you being the lead on some previous major hit. It's a bit like saying that being a musician is well paid on the basis that Kylie Minogue is minted. She is, but to judge the industry average on her example is to ignore the thousands of struggling jobbers who who barely make enough to cover their expenses. I've got freinds in various parts of the game industry and they're all poorly paid with the single exception of one who started his own mobile phone games company and made a go of it. The problem is that there are an awful lot of people who'd really love to be games programmers and any job that lots of people want to do is saturated and therefore underpaid.

On the other hand it's a very emotionally rewarding choice. My freinds may be underpaid but they love what they do. And I can't deny that it's so much cooler when they show me the latest physics engine with fully destructable whizz-bangs than it is when I show them the ordering sstem I wrote for a conservatory blinds company.

So, JR, if you want to program games because you want to make money then I'd suggest you're going to be dissapointed. But if you want to program games because you want to program games then go for it, I suspect you'll enjoy it and the lack of money won't really matter.

Personally I tried games programming for a while and decided it wasn't for me. All that trigonometry was a pain in the ass and I just lacked the imagination to come up with cool ideas. Business apps, on the other hand, just seem to gel for me.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

The problem is that there are an awful lot of people who'd really love to be games programmers and any job that lots of people want to do is saturated and therefore underpaid...

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I noticed that when people first make the connection in their mind on what programming is about or they have written their first "Hello world" type app, they always seem to think that they will be able to write the next WoW. All I can do is smile. I know that the reality will humble them in no time. They're just drunk on ignorance and the excitement of this new world they just discovered. DirectX would sober them up quickly.

Ummmm I already have written the next WoW. Its called Bosskillers :bigyello:

Its WoW in 2D though with you playing as Link from Legend of Zelda:

http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.p...1&d=1319869928

Wow, that looks truly impressive. I think some glowing decors would really make that shine in terms of aesthetics. Perhaps some colored torches around the map with dynamic lighting.

The colour of the tiles look a little washed. Are you using 8-bit images ?

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Originally Posted by Niya

All I can do is smile.

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I can do more than that: I can snicker, giggle, and even, on occasion, guffaw!

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I can do more than that: I can snicker, giggle, and even, on occasion, guffaw!

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Well, I wouldn't want to discourage budding coders. They would discover in time on their own just what game programming truly requires.

In that case, go with the guffaw. It's a nice, indecisive, kind of a retort that could be disguised as a sneeze, a cough, or a brain tumor.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Wow, that looks truly impressive. I think some glowing decors would really make that shine in terms of aesthetics. Perhaps some colored torches around the map with dynamic lighting.

The colour of the tiles look a little washed. Are you using 8-bit images ?

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No its 32 bit. You didnt see the whole dungeon. Its dark and lights up with lightning strikes, theres areas with bright lava that burns you when you stand on it. Theres grassy areas, and even a nice hallway with checker board tiles that reflect. And with my engine I can make the worlds as massive as I want with zero slowdown by using a technique I invented. The AI is exactly like wow, and with my new Astar Pathfinding technique, I can have the sprites chase you throughout the huge sized dungeons. It has a lot put into it. My map editor is pretty advanced too, and you can dynamically drag the tiles in the toolbar as well as add new tiles to it. Plus you can add foreground tiles as well as background tiles. I still need to add bosses with advanced strategies similar to WoW.

Every time I see this thread I think of:

"We can make beans into peas!"

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Originally Posted by Jacob Roman

No its 32 bit. You didnt see the whole dungeon. Its dark and lights up with lightning strikes, theres areas with bright lava that burns you when you stand on it. Theres grassy areas, and even a nice hallway with checker board tiles that reflect. And with my engine I can make the worlds as massive as I want with zero slowdown by using a technique I invented. The AI is exactly like wow, and with my new Astar Pathfinding technique, I can have the sprites chase you throughout the huge sized dungeons. It has a lot put into it. My map editor is pretty advanced too, and you can dynamically drag the tiles in the toolbar as well as add new tiles to it. Plus you can add foreground tiles as well as background tiles. I still need to add bosses with advanced strategies similar to WoW.

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I see....how long have you been working on that game anyway ?

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Originally Posted by Niya

I see....how long have you been working on that game anyway ?

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About a few months. But I havent touched the project in awhile. Last thing I added was the spell cooldown effect, where itll darken the spell icon and rotate around lighting it back up until the cooldown time has expired. But that was a while ago. I should finish up this project. Just that I got caught up doing others.

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Last thing I added was the spell cooldown effect, where itll darken the spell icon and rotate around lighting it back up until the cooldown time has expired.

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I think I've seen something like that in Dota. Its a practical effect that can tell you how far along you are on a glance.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Roman

areas with bright lava that burns you when you stand on it.

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Boring! That's just like any other lava. You need to make some that does something ELSE when you stand on it.

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Originally Posted by Niya

I think I've seen something like that in Dota. Its a practical effect that can tell you how far along you are on a glance.

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Heres the source code in VB6 on how to pull off the World of Warcraft "Spell Cooldown" effect. I had to figure this out on my own which was not easy because there is no code examples online on how to do it. So I had to guess and use common sense approaches. Then it hit me. I had to put a dark square diamond over the squared spell icon, split up the diamond square into 8 slices, like a pizza, while cutting off the edges so it can only be seen as the regular square. Then I have each slice kinda shrink into each vertex, and it freaking worked like a charm, at any time I desire. If anything it'll probably be the only code in existence on the internet that involves this. If you want me to make a VB.Net version, I can whip one up but itll take a day. I included the EXE if you don't have VB6 to test the code. I made the cooldown 10 seconds on this one. Just click anywhere in the form window to fire off the spell cooldown:

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Originally Posted by Jacob Roman

Heres the source code in VB6 on how to pull off the World of Warcraft "Spell Cooldown" effect. I had to figure this out on my own which was not easy because there is no code examples online on how to do it. So I had to guess and use common sense approaches. Then it hit me. I had to put a dark square diamond over the squared spell icon, split up the diamond square into 8 slices, like a pizza, while cutting off the edges so it can only be seen as the regular square. Then I have each slice kinda shrink into each vertex, and it freaking worked like a charm, at any time I desire. If anything it'll probably be the only code in existence on the internet that involves this. If you want me to make a VB.Net version, I can whip one up but itll take a day. I included the EXE if you don't have VB6 to test the code. I made the cooldown 10 seconds on this one. Just click anywhere in the form window to fire off the spell cooldown:

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Yea, I still install VB6. I had to get dx8vb.dll for it to work though, but that took only a few seconds to find and download from dlldump.com

I must say, the code itself is frightening. I wrote a screen saver once that used DirectX but it didn't use it for much more than blitting. This is so outside my zone. I can only hope to be half as knowledgable as you about this type of thing in the future.

As for the effect, its the same one I saw in Dota. Though I think their own makes several cycles, each cycle gradually lightening the image but its the same basic effect exactly. Its surprising how smooth it is. If I tried implementing that using GDI, I doubt it would be so smooth for such a large image. DX is truly impressive. By the way, is there a variable I can change that will affect the speed of the dial ?

Nvm...I found the variable in Spell_Setup().

Wow even at 0.3 cooldown its still very fast and very smooth. GDI definitely cannot do this as good.

Of course theres room for improvement hehe. I noticed I have too many Offset / 2 over in the Create_Spell_Cooldown_Polygon sub. Too many divisions is bad and it really only needs to be done once. So you can just make a variable called Half_Offset, have it equal Offset / 2, and replace all the Offset / 2's with Half_Offset. Also if you wanna see the "pizza pie" that I was talking about at work, I made the background blue, and changed the mode into wireframe, so replace this Render code here:

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Private Sub Render()
    Device.Clear 0, ByVal 0, D3DCLEAR_TARGET, D3DColorRGBA(0, 0, 255, 0), 1#, 0 '<-------CHANGED THE BACKGROUND COLOR
    Device.BeginScene
    Device.SetRenderState D3DRS_FILLMODE, D3DFILL_WIREFRAME '<-------ADDED THIS
    Draw_Spell_Polygon Spell
    Draw_Text "Seconds: " & CStr(Spell.Cooldown_Time), 50, 25, 500, 25, "ariel", 8, D3DColorRGBA(255, 255, 255, 255)
    Device.EndScene
    Device.Present ByVal 0, ByVal 0, 0, ByVal 0
End Sub

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Originally Posted by Jacob Roman

Of course theres room for improvement hehe. I noticed I have too many Offset / 2 over in the Create_Spell_Cooldown_Polygon sub. Too many divisions is bad and it really only needs to be done once. So you can just make a variable called Half_Offset, have it equal Offset / 2, and replace all the Offset / 2's with Half_Offset. Also if you wanna see the "pizza pie" that I was talking about at work, I made the background blue, and changed the mode into wireframe, so replace this Render code here:

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Private Sub Render()
    Device.Clear 0, ByVal 0, D3DCLEAR_TARGET, D3DColorRGBA(0, 0, 255, 0), 1#, 0 '<-------CHANGED THE BACKGROUND COLOR
    Device.BeginScene
    Device.SetRenderState D3DRS_FILLMODE, D3DFILL_WIREFRAME '<-------ADDED THIS
    Draw_Spell_Polygon Spell
    Draw_Text "Seconds: " & CStr(Spell.Cooldown_Time), 50, 25, 500, 25, "ariel", 8, D3DColorRGBA(255, 255, 255, 255)
    Device.EndScene
    Device.Present ByVal 0, ByVal 0, 0, ByVal 0
End Sub

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Ah...Its a little clearer what you did now. Are all those divisions by 2 are what you used to create the "pizza" ? You can create those slices by continually halving a polygon which seems to be what you did but I'm not sure.

No not quite. If you notice in that sub, I created seperate polygons depending on the angle the timers at. It starts with 8 polygon triangles, with the first poly cutting down as it rotates and gets clipped to stay within the square, then 7, then six, then 5, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1. The half offset is half the size of the entire width or height of the polygon from the center of the spell icon.

And for your viewing pleasure VB.Net lovers, here's the VB.Net version of the World of Warcraft Spell Cooldown effect I created just for you.....because I like you a lot :bigyello:

This was compiled using VB.Net 2008. Although I can do 2010 if you need me to.

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And for your viewing pleasure VB.Net lovers, here's the VB.Net version of the World of Warcraft Spell Cooldown effect I created just for you.....because I like you a lot :bigyello:

This was compiled using VB.Net 2008. Although I can do 2010 if you need me to.

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Cool :)

Its better you leave it in 2008 since later versions of VS can convert it but lower versions of VS cannot later solutions. As a matter of fact VS2008 cannot even open VS2010 solutions.

This one seems different. Instead of lightening it, it starts off blank and its drawn by the dial. Also it has a bug. When its started, it has a blue tint and clicking it gives no visible response. I had to re-size the form after running the program for it to work properly. This also means full screen mode doesn't work since you can't re-size in full screen.

Really? Funny thing is that it works perfectly in both fullscreen and windowed mode in my computer. Maybe you could help me make it compatible for all computers. I set the resolution to 1024x768 32 bit color when going fullscreen. But then again, Im using a gaming laptop with a nice NVidia based GeForce card.

1024x768x32 is also my working graphic mode. I also have an NVidia GeForce card(an 8400 GS). I am running Win7 Ultimate with SP1. Are you running XP by any chance ? I've seen some DirectX games like Starcraft demonstrate graphical anomalies under Win7.

This is what I'm seeing on my PC:-

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If I re-size that form, it works better but still not like the one in VB6. It draws the image instead of lightening it:-

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No im using Win 7 Pro. Ill look into it when I get home from work.

Ok Niya. I did the same thing you did. I ran the solution through VB.Net 2010 Express Edition, did the whole configuration wizard so it opens through that from now on, ran it and....didnt work because the entire form window had a fat red X indicating that something was wrong through DX. And the reason for this is because by default, VB.Net 2010 uses .Net Framework 4. And this I already know but DX through VB can't use Framework 4 because its DirectX9 and at the time of its release, it was to work with Framework 3.5. So I changed it to .Net Framework 3.5, and it worked both in Window and Fullscreen on my end. DX10 and 11 was never made compatible to VB unfortunately. Also be sure you are running it as X86 and not 64 or Any CPU. I'll try and see if I can simulate the error thats being caused on your end but so far, even through all that, it still works on my machine. If you have another computer, please try it as an experiment. So just to break it down be sure that all this is true:

.NET Framework: 3.5
CPU: X86

References:
Microsoft.DirectX.dll version 1.0.2902.0
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.dll version 1.0.2902.0
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll version 1.0.2911.0

Note: If version 1.0.2911.0 of Direct3DX doesn't work well, try coinciding with the other versions and use 1.0.2902.0 and see what happens. Direct3DX btw is used for special effects and even texture mapping. And since you have issues with it, change it out if you can.