Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

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So, we have ~2Mio vs. ~450Mio years of "lost potential to the human race" -
but where is the outcry in the media about this ... or for that matter - where is yours?

Seems, that "putting things properly into perspective" is really a lost art.

Olaf

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Putting aside your specious numbers, what is your point here? What outcry are you asking for? Is there anybody saying that child hunger is a good thing? I know about it. I contribute money to organizations that I 'think' will do some good in that area. If there was a mandate to take action against child hunger, I'd support it. So, what is it that you are asking people to do? It sure sounds like you are asking people to ignore COVID because of child hunger, but that seems unlikely. The two don't appear to be related, and we can certainly take action against both, since one doesn't preclude the other or vice versa, so what are you asking for?

Shaggy?

what Schmidt wrote is very easy to understand.
why is it hard for you?

do you know the words: perspective and double moral.

who do you want to protect the most?
- 6 million children or 2 million 80+ old people?

you will pick the children of course. a sane person do that.

right now the focus is on 80+ people, because they are dying from "covid"
we need to mass vaccinate everybody. the entire world.
and now also babies (the latest news). so the entire population, nobody excluded.

this to protect the old and fragile.

now, what about those 6 million children?
why don't we have the same efforts put to them?
mandate all people on the world to pay taxes so we can help them.

but thats not the case. we are not giving the same amount of care to them.

the double moral is that we are selective. helping the old.
and the message is clear. you need to sacrifice your freedom, you need to stay cool during lockdown and restrictions, you need to take a vaccination, even if you are young and healthy, and now also children and babies.

that seems to be an act of "GOD", an altruistic act, to help our old. and everybody need to take part.
but we are not giving the same act to all the children. (and everyone else that dies in the world every year, so not just children)

and where's the act of GOD, with people that don't have insurance? people in poor countries without money can't afford, (like diabetic) so what happens? google what happens when u don't treat it, what happens with your body. but now we are not altruistic, now we don't care.

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...what is your point here?

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Really now?
I was pointing out hypocrisy... (and ignorance), inherent:
- in suggesting that "the un-vaccinated" are the main-reason for covid-deaths (when they are not)
- in suggesting that the current covid-deaths are "far above flu-level" (when they are not, according to the last study in the UK)
- in suggesting that "everything is fine with democracy" ...
.. (when ~0.5Mio people are threatened to lose their jobs for bein un-vacced, in germany alone)

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Is there anybody saying that child hunger is a good thing?

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It was about "putting things in perspective".
The current propaganda-machine was not focusing on "child-starvation" over the last 2 years,
despite the huge difference in "lost potential" (of about factor 200).

But is that factor 200 somehow representative in "air-time" or "amount of published articles" -
Nope... the opposite is the case.

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So, what is it that you are asking people to do?

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To be more propaganda-resistant would be a good start.
The ability to recognize propaganda in the first place - would of course be a prerequisite.

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It sure sounds like you are asking people to ignore COVID...

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Nope, all I'm asking is, for people to "put it into perspective".

Covid was nowhere near as deadly as the "death-counts (with covid)" they were publishing, is suggesting.

And Covid certainly is *now* (with Omicron) not much different from "normal flu".
Still the "mandate-enforcment-policies" (from both, governments and global companies),
are in "full swing" (for no reason).

HTH

Olaf

I've begun to wonder if the COVID denial movement in all its aspects isn't engineered with many dupes just falling in line. A sort of global ongoing Reichstag Fire program, becoming an excuse to clamp down on speech, free press, out of favor politics, and "undesirables." Part of a Large Do-Over of globalism, if you will. ;)

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Nope, all I'm asking is, for people to "put it into perspective".

Covid was nowhere near as deadly as the "death-counts (with covid)" they were publishing, is suggesting.

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Yea, I figured this out pretty early on. It's one of the reasons I'm indifferent to the pandemic and why I think all these measures against it are unnecessarily draconian. And all I did was crunch some very very basic numbers. It baffles me how much people refuse to think for themselves and buy into the mainstream narrative that says we all should be in a panic.

On a side note, I can only think of one person in the 2 years of this pandemic that I lost to Covid. It was a childhood friend. In the same time period, I've lost several people I knew well to "normal" deaths(accidents, crime, old age etc). So yea, they can miss me with all that fuss over Covid. It's just bullshit.

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Well, this post is over 2yrs old and has over 5,000 posts. Which ideas have merit and which are nonsense still depends on who you ask.

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But progress has been made. For example, even though I was always distrustful of mainstream media, I didn't learn until reading some of the posts in this thread that there were so many nefarious things being driven by the pandemic. You will never get everyone to agree on anything but if you can win even one person over to whatever side you fall on, it should be considered a victory. That's one extra person on your side that you didn't have yesterday. That's one extra person who is there in your camp that would not have been there had the discussion not been allowed to happen.

Quebec scraps planned tax on the unvaccinated

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ixed-1.6334828

a small victory, and its all thanks to the protesters.
good work guys!

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I know I did...you are backpedaling.

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Let's use a contrived example. Let's say someone tells you the sky is red. You could respond:-
"Are you blind or are you just a braindead idiot?"

or you could respond with:-
"Why stop there? The sea is green and trees are black. Making up stuff sure is fun!"

The first response directly attacks the person which I think it is acceptable to moderate. The second response uses sarcasm to make a mockery of the idea of the sky being red. It does not focus upon person who put the idea forth.

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What's this 'star in the middle' stuff? You were the star at the beginning. You were the originator. Everybody else was just riding on your glory.

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Isn't that an expression? You got the spotlights and you are in the middle shining?

So my friends. What is going on in Canada? :) Where is the president? :p
What will happen in 7th of February?
Why almost every country in Europe dropping the restrictions except from countries with pawns (Greece included)?
What they did, turned you into vaxbies they will pay for it dearly. Mark my words, say that I'm spreading fake news, we will see in a while...There is a need to give out some scapegoats for what they did.
I'm Edubaking here but it seems that evidence are coming out that will fry a lot of people. Also I wrote before that Austria grand jury is requesting evidence for the covid measures.
Ah, let me say here that whatever happens US will just bounce it so your traitors,if any, are safe, judging from the mega sleep I see over there, or I'm wrong and you are protesting and your media is not showing it?

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The problem is, it's very hard to ridicule the thought without also ridiculing the person. After all, if they put the thought forwards with sincerity, then everybody who says the idea is stupid is effectively saying that the person is stupid.

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Hmmm. I kinda disagree. I mean I get what you're saying but I don't think it's that hard to separate the ideas from the person. Just look at me and Olaf. We've been fighting like cats and dogs over VB6 vs VB.Net for years, yet in all that time, I can't think of a single time either of us made it personal. Sure it got heated at times but I don't recall ever feeling like I was being personally attacked or degraded by him and I hope I didn't make him feel that way either. I believe all ideas can be debated with the same level of civility towards one another.

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So far, people in this thread have called me insane, deluded, and other things. Funky was asked not to fact check, and we've both been asked not to participate. I'm not sure how else that can be seen other than a fairly polite request that there be no debate or disagreement with whatever is put forwards.

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Yea, I agree it's a tad too far. I disagree with some of the things you said in this thread but I wouldn't go so far as to tell you stuff like that. Overall I think this discussion is healthy though and I'm hoping we learn to do better in dealing with those we disagree with.

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They come back with the "we need to get back to normal" comment.

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I have no facts or anything to back this up. It's just my opinion but I have a very strong feeling that things are never going back to the way they were before. At the very least, not for a very very long time.

The pandemic has been going on for 2 years now with all kinds of fuss being made about it, yet it's actual effect on my life has been practically non-existent. I've only lost 1 person, a childhood friend, to Covid. Something doesn't feel right about this whole thing.

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Quebec scraps planned tax on the unvaccinated

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ixed-1.6334828

a small victory, and its all thanks to the protesters.
good work guys!

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The idea of taxing the unvaccinated makes me sick to my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I'm more or less indifferent to the idea of vaccination. Take it or don't take it, it's all the same me but these kinds of coercive methods rub against something so deep in my soul it literally makes me want to break something just thinking about it.

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[*] They come back with the "we need to get back to normal" comment.

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I need to answer that as well.
it can not go back to normal.
the trust it broken completely. at least for the people that "believe" in the "agenda".
it is impossible to trust government, health care system, pharmacies, media, big companies, UN, WHO etc.

to restore trust, if that is even possible. something big need to happen.
a cleansing of everything corrupted.

if instead they are able to get away with this, excuses or try to bury evidences etc,
it will only mean the retribution will happen later. and it will grow in volume.

so, right now, at least for me, I can not see any solution. I don't know how we can go back and forget. and I can't see how we gonna fix this without causing war and destruction as I dont think the people behind all this will just capitulate.

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I've begun to wonder if the COVID denial movement in all its aspects isn't engineered ...

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Sure... there is an original-document, where Goebbels (the Nazi-propaganda-chef)
has described the process of "taking control of the population" (don't remember it exactly anymore, having read it a decade ago or so) as:
- induce fear (no matter which one really, but "losing your live, or livelihood" are good ideas)
- and introduce a "not in-significantly sized group-target", which could make "that fear come true"
...(in nazi-germany it was "the jews" - often shop-owners, bankers, money-lenders, shortly after the "great recession")

And what's then left is only (referring to the Hitler-Bible, "Mein Kampf", which told anyone all about these "superior german genes"):
- to make "the larger group feel superior"
- and to punish any dissidents (in the early years, often members of the communist party) draconically
..(using some "Reichstags-Brand-incentives"), via the GESTAPO, "backed up" by snitches in "the clean group")

All the rest will fall into place automatically.

Olaf

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I'm skeptical, but it is encouraging to see Bari Weiss on Bill Maher express frustration with the pandemic and the governments response.

You also have people who have had the initial two vaccines as well as the booster who still caught delta or omicron that feel lied to. You also have people who had the initial two vaccines because they were sold that normalcy would return only to reject the booster because they felt lied to.

You also have cities and countries around the world dropping mandates. The latest two I saw were the UK and the city of Denver, CO. dropping their mask mandates.

Call it youthfulness or naivety, but while the current measures seem bleak I'm enthusiastic about the future.

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A prominent leader in my country threatened to overthrow the government if they didn't end the lockdowns we had here last year. The government ended the lockdowns shortly after. Whether it was because of the threats or because it was already going to be ended at the time it did anyway is anyone's guess. Since then, life here is almost like it was before, but not quite. We still have to wear masks and there are safe zones being enforced. However, my country men are an unruly bunch. It's pretty normal for people here to push the boundaries of what we are allowed to do and depending on the community and the location of specific events, the law would look the other way or not care to enforce mandates. So life is kinda back to normal here.

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But progress has been made. For example, even though I was always distrustful of mainstream media, I didn't learn until reading some of the posts in this thread that there were so many nefarious things being driven by the pandemic. You will never get everyone to agree on anything but if you can win even one person over to whatever side you fall on, it should be considered a victory. That's one extra person on your side that you didn't have yesterday. That's one extra person who is there in your camp that would not have been there had the discussion not been allowed to happen.

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But that has nothing to do with what I quoted,

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Allowing it to be debated and discussed would quickly reveal if such ideas have merit or if they are indeed nonsense.

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Has the ideas that have merit or that are indeed nonsense been quickly revealed? No.

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But that has nothing to do with what I quoted,



Has the ideas that have merit or that are indeed nonsense been quickly revealed? No.

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What I'm trying to allude to is that it's a work in progress that takes one person at a time. I mentioned chattel slavery in an earlier conversation with Eduardo. It took like what, centuries for the world the finally understand that the chain and whip were unnecessarily barbaric. It doesn't happen over night but that doesn't mean that the conversation should not need to happen.

It will be a very long time before one side or another in this specific discussion would win out. It's a slow process.

Also, really dumb ideas would be quickly revealed.

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What I'm trying to allude to is that it's a work in progress that takes one person at a time. I mentioned chattel slavery in an earlier conversation with Eduardo. It took like what, centuries for the world the finally understand that the chain and whip were unnecessarily barbaric. It doesn't happen over night but that doesn't mean that the conversation should not need to happen.

It will be a very long time before one side or another in this specific discussion would win out. It's a slow process.

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You keep ignoring what you said. It's becoming comical.

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Allowing it to be debated and discussed would quickly reveal if such ideas have merit or if they are indeed nonsense.

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Now it's a slow process.

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You keep ignoring what you said. It's becoming comical.



Now it's a slow process.

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Yea I can see how what I'm said is confusing. I didn't express it clearly. Let me see if I can make it clear what I was trying to say.

I was talking about the moderation of discussion and whether or not people should be silenced for dissenting or controversial views. When I said dumb ideas would be quickly revealed, I was thinking about really dumb ideas that most people would agree would be dumb. I was trying to say that even really ridiculous ideas should not be moderated out of the conversation because if they are indeed that stupid, everyone would just dogpile onto it and ridicule it right out of the conversation very quickly. In my view this is preferable to having a moderator just stop the discussion. This is what my thoughts were when I wrote that.

Now when it comes to ideas that are not outright outlandish, this is the slow process. It can become a back-and-forth that may go on for years. These are the real fruitful discussions that need to be allowed to happen.

One of my personal flaws is an inability to completely express my thoughts as written word. I apologize for that and I will make an effort to be more careful with how my thoughts translate into actual words. It's something still I'm learning how to do. I have so many thoughts in my head, a lot of which I can't even say because if I use the wrong words, it could lead to a lot of misunderstandings. The ability to convert my thoughts into a series of easily digestible and unambiguous statements is not a talent I have so bear with me.

@wes4dbt

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Allowing it to be debated and discussed would quickly reveal if such ideas have merit or if they are indeed nonsense.

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I just recalled exactly what I was thinking when I wrote this.

If an idea is presented one of two things will happen. Either the idea will be ripped apart by everyone or it will create a divide that will be discussed and debated for years like this Covid discussion. Which of these two things would happen, happens very quickly. In other words, the direction of the discussion would let you know if the idea is nonsense or not. The fact that this thread has gone on for 135 pages tells us that there is some merit here. If on the other hand this thread died at page 2, then it's very likely that what was being discussed was nonsense or at the very least, not even worth discussing because everyone would have already been on the same page.

The slow progress I was talking about was actually referring to what happens when an idea produces a divisive discussion, ie 135 pages instead of 2.

Does this make more sense?

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What they did, turned you into vaxbies they will pay for it dearly.

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Not a chance. You only have two parties that have a realistic chance of winning an election, so you tend to just swap from one to the other. I haven't seen any suggestion that you will do anything other than that. All you're going to do is stop hitting yourself with your right hand and start hitting yourself with your left.

Besides, it wouldn't be Greece if you liked your government.

We talked about this before. Only US has 2 parties.
Currently we have 6 parties in the parliament. Allegedly only 2 parties can win the elections and one coming very close to the first 2, let's see what will happen, the max they can hold glued to their chairs is September.
And I'm not talking only for Greece.
We will fight for what they did to you till the end even if you don't want us to!Justice for vaxbism! (where is that frikin freedom emoticon.....ererreadsacac anyway)

And we adore the government....Where is that decapitation video hmmm...

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I need to answer that as well.
it can not go back to normal.
the trust it broken completely. at least for the people that "believe" in the "agenda".
it is impossible to trust government, health care system, pharmacies, media, big companies, UN, WHO etc.

to restore trust, if that is even possible. something big need to happen.
a cleansing of everything corrupted.

if instead they are able to get away with this, excuses or try to bury evidences etc,
it will only mean the retribution will happen later. and it will grow in volume.

so, right now, at least for me, I can not see any solution. I don't know how we can go back and forget. and I can't see how we gonna fix this without causing war and destruction as I dont think the people behind all this will just capitulate.

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Hard to say what normal would be in the US. Normal for us would probably mean fighting over the 2020 election. Frankly, COVID didn't really do anything different in this country. We haven't been this polarized since the Civil War, and that has nothing to do with COVID.

Of course, COVID made little difference in this state. People followed mask wearing for a time, then stopped. At this point, it depends on the organization/office, and as I've noted before, it's just a matter of what clothing you are required to wear. You've always been required to wear some things, now some places add a mask, others don't. Makes no real difference....except in one area. The percentage of roadside trash that is masks is much greater than the near zero it was prior to 2020.

Covid vaxbed you. We will fight!
See links 1 through 155... :cool:
Nap time... Nap, nap nap nap napp napp. Yep really need to sleep....

P.S. Where is the Canadian Prime Minister? :)
P.S.2 . Trucker where late.. ;)
P.S.3 That's how it's done, not 3 posts one after the other. Take lessons yall.
P.S.4 Flat is earth! This is called a quarter back reply. I said take lessoooons.

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Now when it comes to ideas that are not outright outlandish, this is the slow process. It can become a back-and-forth that may go on for years. These are the real fruitful discussions that need to be allowed to happen.

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This thread has made me less likely to agree with that. I'd like to know whether or not any flat earther has ever changed their mind. I have no idea whether or not anybody has ever looked at this, or whether it would even be possible, but my guess is that the answer would be no.

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We talked about this before. Only US has 2 parties.
Currently we have 6 parties in the parliament. Allegedly only 2 parties can win the elections and one coming very close to the first 2, let's see what will happen, the max they can hold glued to their chairs is September.
And I'm not talking only for Greece.
We will fight for what they did to you till the end even if you don't want us to!Justice for vaxbism! (where is that frikin freedom emoticon.....ererreadsacac anyway)

And we adore the government....Where is that decapitation video hmmm...

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Doesn't matter how many actual parties you have (though I do rather envy your having more than two...and technically, we have at least three, currently), only two seem capable of forming governments.

Nop. 2 does not cope it this time. We will talk again when elections come.

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Well, this post is over 2yrs old and has over 5,000 posts. Which ideas have merit and which are nonsense still depends on who you ask.

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Wow...you have such a keen sense of the obvious...are you a manager? :wave:

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This thread has made me less likely to agree with that. I'd like to know whether or not any flat earther has ever changed their mind. I have no idea whether or not anybody has ever looked at this, or whether it would even be possible, but my guess is that the answer would be no.

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Well once upon a time the majority of humanity probably believed that the Earth was flat or something equally outlandish. However, today most people know it's round. It took a lot of time and was costly to a lot of individual people with them being shunned, mocked and even executed in some cases, but we still managed to arrive at doors of reason. Now this particular thread may never be resolved but we cannot assume it won't contribute to the eventual resolution of the differing views presented in it. Who knows what effect this discussion would have on the future. We don't even know if there are lurkers reading this thread right now who's minds have been changed by the conversation and who knows what they will go off to do. For all we know it could be inspiring someone right now who will take some kind of action in the future that will have a massive impact, or at the very least drives the conversation forward in a big way.

In the past, it was "obvious" to most people that the Earth was flat.
They could see and check by their own experience: the Earth was obviously flat, just look at the horizon and see the flatness for yourself.

There were a few nutcases out there saying otherwise, but who would believe them, if every major institution and almost all people already knew that the Earth was flat?

The ones that contradict authorities must be silenced because they are a threat.

We are in the middle age of information, and everybody knows (OK, most do) that the Erath is flat.

You can see that on TV, and every authority say that: the WHO, FDA, CDC, and publications like The Lancet, etc.
Then, of course the Earth is flat. Who say otherwise is a nutcase. But a dangerous one...
They must be all silenced because they are a threat.

Yeah, the flat-earth believers are a good example of what is happening (of course I mean the flat-earth believers of the past).

There are two kind of people:

1) The ones seeking the truth.

2) The ones that already know the truth and will use any argument to justify what they already think is true.

Which one are you?

How to make people wake up

There are two strategies that i am currently following in conversations. It's not that they are 100% working but i think they could in the long run.
First is what Olaf did a few posts before: put things into the right perspective: How many people die from cancer each year, heart problems and on a global scale starvation, age of covid dead etc, olaf pointed it out quite well including the right question: why is there so much focus on covid when we have much larger problems that could be solved with the huge amout of money that was spent and burnt in covid? realizing it is not the "we will all die!!" scenario makes many arguments fall apart like "we have to get back to normal" -> what prevents us from going back to normal? it is not the virus, it's the government.

The second strategy is a to ask people to think about where their "red line" would be. Are they fine with unvaxxed having to pay extra tax? unvaxxed paying for hospital care? unvaxxed not beeing treated? unvaxxed not being allowed to use public transport? not getting unemployment paying? vax mandates in schools? in kindergarten? etc. you get the point.
Some of these are already in place in some countries and they are put in effect step by step. if people dont think about their red line beforehand, they will go along much longer and accept measures they today would not accept. it's like the frog being slowly boiled.

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I'm pretty sure genocide was seriously discussed in China recently, the 1800's in the US west, and aboriginals in Australia.

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The difference is in this bit: "to debate genocide as a good public policy" It's the difference between discussing and advocating for genocide. The latter would be straight up hate speech.

I agree with you that there's a good case to be made that advocating for an anti-vax position is dangerous and should therefore be banned but, for me at least, it doesn't rise to the same bar as genocide or domestic violence.

I've been busy for the last couple of days so am only getting to dip into this thread but I'd encourage anyone who thinks any content crosses the line to use the report function or pm the mods. We're actively discussing the situation.

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There are two kind of people:

1) The ones seeking the truth.

2) The ones that already know the truth and will use any argument to justify what they already think is true.

Which one are you?

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its called a paradigm.
this is not new and each time we are "inside" a paradigm, they will do anything to protect it.
usually its about power structures that need the paradigm to work.
scientist and people with knowledge are the same, they are also protecting the paradigm.
the paradigm shift was not something easy, usually it involved with years of killing and oppression and tyranny.
only when the people that also had power saw "opportunities" the shift was made.

the #2 will fight until the end. no matter how much you try to convince them.
there need to be a paradigm shift that wakes them up. they are unable to make this change on their own,
they need a "leader" to do that first. it has always been like that. and Im sure it will always be like that.

you could say, but how? how can people be like that? why do they need something like that to change?
well, I think we need to look into the human behavior, our history, the herd mentality, the tribal mentality etc.
I think theres a % of the population that has that dna profile that define them as followers.
could be evolution, because if we have too many critical thinkers that always challenged the leaders we would not be able to create a stable group
and Im sure that homo sapiens would not been the one prospered. so I think, the reason why homo sapiens was the victorious was his strength to
be in a big group, working together and fight off all other humanoids in our 300.000+ past. nothing stand a chance.

eventually we would fight each other. but thats another story.

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Some of these are already in place in some countries and they are put in effect step by step. if people dont think about their red line beforehand, they will go along much longer and accept measures they today would not accept. it's like the frog being slowly boiled.

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That's the whole point. Today there are happening things that they said before that would never happen (mandates). And are not happening things that they assured would happen (efficacy of the vaccines and back to normality).

How someone could not even doubt? Only if they are already bound to their narrative and have blind confidence on them.
How can someone trust them? Well, only being too naive and having no clue what kind of people they are.
Let's suppose they have no idea about how (evil) these people are, that's (more or less) fair, at least have some doubt.

Consider the possibility, even if you think it is small, that you could be wrong.

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its called a paradigm.
this is not new and each time we are "inside" a paradigm, they will do anything to protect it.
usually its about power structures that need the paradigm to work.
scientist and people with knowledge are the same, they are also protecting the paradigm.
the paradigm shift was not something easy, usually it involved with years of killing and oppression and tyranny.
only when the people that also had power saw "opportunities" the shift was made.

the #2 will fight until the end. no matter how much you try to convince them.
there need to be a paradigm shift that wakes them up. they are unable to make this change on their own,
they need a "leader" to do that first. it has always been like that. and Im sure it will always be like that.

you could say, but how? how can people be like that? why do they need something like that to change?
well, I think we need to look into the human behavior, our history, the herd mentality, the tribal mentality etc.
I think theres a % of the population that has that dna profile that define them as followers.
could be evolution, because if we have too many critical thinkers that always challenged the leaders we would not be able to create a stable group
and Im sure that homo sapiens would not been the one prospered. so I think, the reason why homo sapiens was the victorious was his strength to
be in a big group, working together and fight off all other humanoids in our 300.000+ past. nothing stand a chance.

eventually we would fight each other. but thats another story.

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An example is what happened in the last decades and is still happening with Theory of Evolution.
Any scientist that dare to suggest that this theory might be wrong, or have any different idea or theory, is banned, disgraced, discredited, fired from his job, etc.
They are "burned", ridiculed, etc.

More or less the same is happening in later years with the gay and gender agenda. Anyone who dare to challenge it, must suffer the consequences.

I see that the same trend is starting to happen with the vegan agenda.

And I'll add, the climate-change agenda (most probably, if not certainly lie).
The same occured in the past with the death-penalty and "human right" that are 99% the rights of the criminals, to allow then to continue with their activities on society.

As the Evolution, also the Big-Bang theory.
I think with the agenda they are more interested in the normal people to believe that, than the scientists. All these ideas are targeted mostly to normal Joe.

All the same patterns.

And I could add the new feminism (because the old one was good).

Anyone that dare to challenge any of these "paradigms" is burned at the stake.

Now the antivaxes seems to be in the scaffold.

When people defending the "current paradigm" by these means were right in history?

And I'll tell you what I think about all the other I mentioned: they are all wrong (including evolution and big bang).
You may think otherwise. You didn't take the time I took to investigate them.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Let's use a contrived example. Let's say someone tells you the sky is red. You could respond:-
"Are you blind or are you just a braindead idiot?"

or you could respond with:-
"Why stop there? The sea is green and trees are black. Making up stuff sure is fun!"

The first response directly attacks the person which I think it is acceptable to moderate. The second response uses sarcasm to make a mockery of the idea of the sky being red. It does not focus upon person who put the idea forth.

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You can "clean up in aisle seven" all you want. It was quite obvious, and backed up in your prior posts, what you really meant.

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More or less the same is happening in later years with the gay and gender agenda

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Be really careful where you're going with this.

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Julian Gillespie is a retired lawyer and former barrister who has come out of retirement to fight a new legal battle, aiming to put an immediate stop to the vaccines in Australia.
Julian gives us an update on the case in this interview, explaining the maladministration by the TGA and the core of the case, which seeks to suspend the vaccines for adults and children as soon as the hearing occurs.
They are expecting this will happen within the next week, at most two.

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https://rumble.com/vtv5pe-julian-gil...-australi.html

source: https://avn.org.au/information/vacci...ll-our-rights/

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Be really careful where you're going with this.

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What do you mean?

I mean that if you start posting anything that's anti gay, misogynist or similar, that is something we would act on. That includes linked content.

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I mean that if you start posting anything that anti gay, misogynist or similar, that is something we would act on.

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I'll post what I believe is true, according to what I now.
It is not anti-anybody, it is anti-destroying our societies.

But individuals can do whatever they want, that's the free will everybody has.
For example they can take drugs (or whatever other example we could find), but it does not mean that I must be forced to think or say that drugs are good, or that they can't induce bad behaviors.

And the countdown begins :D

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And the countdown begins :D

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That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWMoPPU0wKc

Jordan Peterson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

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A message to Premiers Jason Kenney, Scott Moe and Doug Ford, and Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition Erin O'Toole:
What are you waiting for? This is your moment. Seize the day.

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That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

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If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it ;)

https://rumble.com/vtueni-dr.-robert...9-genetic.html

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Dr. Robert Malone is a doctor and scientist. His mission is to ensure vaccine safety, make sure that children are protected, stop and/or limit vaccine mandates, identify and teach about lifesaving treatments for Covid-19 and other pandemics.

This is an edited segment from the weekly live General Assembly meeting on January 31, 2022.

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https://worldcouncilforhealth.org

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Originally Posted by TysonLPrice

If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it ;)

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What do you want to know?

NOTE - this thread is going to come to an end TODAY.... Say what you need to say and get it out of your system.

Other similar threads will not be allowed.

Posting links to other places where you can continue is suggested.

OK, I will say: please don't delete it, just close it since there are lot of materials here that serves (at least for me) as a boomarks place.
If you decide to delete it, please allow some time to save the pages then.

Thank you.

Ps: and if you want to know what I think: it is censure and it is bad. But you are the chief, what can I say...
Bye.

my last comment.

for people that are interested I suggest to follow:

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5

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The Corona Committee was formed by four lawyers. It is conducting an evidence review of the Corona crisis and actions.

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https://worldcouncilforhealth.org

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The World Council for Health is a worldwide coalition of health-focused organizations and civil society groups that seek to broaden public health knowledge and sense-making through science and shared wisdom.

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https://zeeemedia.com

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Uncensored sources of information in Australia about Covid.

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https://discord.gg/Zhx7aJZRMh

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PandemicTalk: A place to continue the discussion and sharing of information, all are welcome and you can discuss anything, as long its not illegal and follow the rules of Discord

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for the other:

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this will be on your conscience, and you know who you are. right now you will not understand, but you will.

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If that is the case why don't you expand on the point you were making about gays? I'm interested and you seem poised for it ;)

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I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

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I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

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Exactly Olaf 👌

I created a Discord group for the ones that wish to keep talking about this subject.

Bye :wave:

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

That's what you want, no doubt.

I won't move one millimeter from what I believe by any kind of pressure or threat.

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You asked which of two types you were. In case anybody doubted, you have now clearly stated which camp you are in, which is the second one.

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Originally Posted by Schmidt

I have nothing against gays and I'm sure Eduardo tolerates them as well.

He was talking about "agendas" (ones, which are "out of proportion").

It's a known media-vehicle, to divide the populace...

You, in your desire to "see him gone here" (for "saying the wrong word" or "saying the wrong pronoun"),
are acting exactly the way the "initiators of these agendas" intended (deepening the divide).

You're "following along" without even realizing it ...
(despite Eduardo being perhaps even more tolerant regarding "gay topics" - than you personally are).

Olaf

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I find it very interesting that this actually needs to be explained but I'm not surprised. Most people are completely oblivious to such agendas. I mean just look at the reaction I got when I suggested that Disney Star Wars had an agenda in this thread.

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In the past, it was "obvious" to most people that the Earth was flat.
They could see and check by their own experience: the Earth was obviously flat, just look at the horizon and see the flatness for yourself.

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That may have been the case at one time, but that time was before recorded history. The information may or may not have been lost a few times, but the Greeks calculated the circumference of the earth fairly accurately a few hundred years BC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

It's not clear whether he was the first to do so, or just the first recorded to do so. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Chinese did so, as well, or even the Egyptians. It's not totally clear that it was so difficult to figure out. Flat has problems. If the earth is round, then you have nothing to sphere but spheres themselves.

And so, I will leave it with a pun, but not an original one.

Sapator, I await your next election with considerable interest. We'll talk once it has passed. I believe you will be disappointed, but I'll be interested to hear your view on it, come what may.

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NOTE - this thread is going to come to an end TODAY.... Say what you need to say and get it out of your system.

Other similar threads will not be allowed.

Posting links to other places where you can continue is suggested.

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Sweet Jesus. How did we end up here? :eek: