Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

Dday is also American but he is skeptic about it, so it's not something only other countries than US people are against.
As for vaccination, I couldn't do it due to a health issue (not that I would have) but I didn't wait to see how others react to the dose, I didn't plan on doing in because of the measures against non vaccination and certainty did not care what others thought of this. I just knew it was plain wrong in so many ways, call it a FY to the system if you like. They only chance in a million to do it is if they where kept their big greedy prune manipulating mouths shut.

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Dday is also American but he is skeptic about it, so it's not something only other countries than US people are against.

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Yea, there are always exceptions. But I've found that in general, Americans tend to have a very overly optimistic view of the world. Sometimes I wonder if many of them know just how truly horrible the world really is. I mean take my interaction with West. He was extremely opposed to the idea that people are mainly driven by self-interest. You will get eaten alive where I'm from if you don't understand this basic fact of life yet this idea is strange to many Americans. They actually believe man's default setting is altruism. It always astonishes me.

So, why do you put up with it? You complained about people not doing something to better their life. If you live in such a hell hole, why are you staying there?

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So, why do you put up with it? You complained about people not doing something to better their life. If you live in such a hell hole, why are you staying there?

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This is the perfect example of what I mean when I say Americans have an overly optimistic world view. I gave you a tiny view into what life is like in my home and immediately, you describe it as a hell hole. But what you do not understand is that to you such a place is hell but to me, it's the best place in the world. I'm built for a world like mine, but a typical American suburbanite is not. You cannot fathom the idea that such a place could actually be paradise to some people.

Interestingly enough very recently I had a relative who has lived in US for something like 40 years who came back here intending to spend the rest of her life. She didn't last 2 months. Today she tucked tail and ran back to the states. Poor thing. I'm guessing she lived a life of sheltered convenience in the US and wasn't ready for the rawness of life here after a 40 year absence. She had way too many lofty ideas in her head about what life would be like here. The reality was just too much for her to bear. But to me, it's nothing. I'd rather be here than anywhere else. The thing about it is that it's all in your mind. It's all about your mindset.
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I mean take my interaction with West. He was extremely opposed to the idea that people are mainly driven by self-interest.

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No, no, no! Your statement was everything people do is driven by self interest. Big difference.

btw - My name is not West. lol

thats why we have integration problems.
people that immigrate here, have it very difficult to integrate.
theres tons of studies, one suggest its not really about your culture but your socioeconomically status that counts. meaning, a middle class in country X has more in common with a middle class in another country than a lower class from the same country. sure we could find faults here, its not my thesis.

since Im a hybrid. from 2 different cultures I see structures in the cultures that others from here can't see.
but theres people of different mix of cultures that have another way of seeing thing. so its quite dynamic and theres no uniform formula.

for me it has always been that Im not 100% comfortable in any of the 2 cultures. I enjoy parts of both, but can't really fit in any. I feel more comfortable with people that are different, struggle, have an more open mind.
I do however feel more and more comfortable in this country since I live here, so it seems to be about time as well.
even if I have my strong identity I can easily adapt, its not that I want to change this country to something else, but I want to improve it. and thats normal for any person that are free thinking.
but I can see that people from another country that struggle to adapt, they want to change this country to be more like their home country.
and that astonish me, as many people are fugitive from a war and oppressed country. still they want to apply that mentality that didnt work there, here as well.
that tells me how hard it is to change.

the successful integrated people seems to be the hard working and middle or upper class, that has an education, are more intellectual. those seem to have it more easy to adapt.
we also have people that came from a "similar" social structure. like Iran, as they where a socialistic country before the revolution. and it seems that made it easier to adapt here.

anyway.
Eduardo-, I think it is. the bad experience can "push you" out from your bubble.
if your parents didn't teach you to be analytical, to be critical in thinking, guided you to allow multiple perspectives, you will be stuck in your willfulness.
that is why you see people "doing the wrong thing" all the time.
and I usually say, yes, they need to do it, to understand.
when I try to tell some friend, this is not good for you, they will do it anyway, and if they avoid it because of fear, they don't grow either.
they need to do wrong to open their eyes.

but maybe, if you have enough experience of that, maybe you don't need to do it all the time. instead you can use your mind to understand the consequences of doing something. and hopefully thats enough for you to grow.

not sure how to explain the mass formation. why some people are totally absorbed into the narrative while others are free.
but I believe it has something to do with your need to be part of the collective.

as my grandmother used to say (when I challenged her with some new thought) why do I need to change? when others changes I might as well.
meaning, that for her, it was important that "others" changes, and if they do she would as well.
it was also this mentality "others" that are not even close to us, seems to be the guidelines how to be.
you need to be in certain way to be accepted by the "others". it was more important than to create a family that accepted each other.

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the outright staggering levels of stupidity that leads to theories like the Earth being flat.

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I'll tell you a story.
In 2006 it came to my knowledge that there were people actually holding that the Earth was flat.
I could not believe that in Century XXI that was even possible.
(Flatearthers were not famous at that time like they are now)
I was curious what they had to say.

I found a forum here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

I went, started reading and participated in some discussions.
As you could expect, their arguments are so weak. That the Earth is flat because is that what you see in your experience (I don't remember what they said about the ships going down in the horizon), that there is a conspiracy and all the images from the space are fake, things like that.
IDK if they improved something, I didn't read now.
Still, no one knew if the FE theory supporters really believed that or they did it for some kind of fun or whatever.
It seemed like some really believed that, but it seems too crazy.

But I found one that was not a flatearther, but his theory was that the Earth was a globe as it actually is, but was not moving, that it is still in the space.
And that everything else is moving around it (the sun, planets, stars, galaxies, whatever).

I told him that in that case, distant stars and galaxies that are at 13,000 millions light years away or more, would have to travel to a speed much greater than the speed of light to make a turn every 24 hours.

He told me that that was not a problem, that in Einstein's Relativity theory it is fine to suppose that, and that all calculations support that.

I told him about Coriolis force. He said that there is no problem with that, or anything. That the math worked anyway.

I didn't know what to think about that, and decided to ask the people that understand the subject.

I went to an Usenet newsgroup that I used to go and posted the question. On that group there were some guys that were really intelligent, they were physicists, university professors of physics or students.
Those were the good times of internet, when it was really democratic, and anyone could easily find where to ask an expert in a field.

To my surprise they didn't answer that what the guy said was not right.
They said that the Galilean cosmology was preferable to the Ptolemaic System because of its simplicity, not because the Ptolemaic one was "wrong".
Humm? WT...

Of course I was a bit lost.

Then someone said that I was being "a naive realist", and pointed me to read this: https://www.boogieonline.com/seeking/

I highly recommend to read it for someone that wants to understand how science works.

They also pointed me to read an Einstein writing about two rotating spheres in the Universe (as they were alone), one rotating regarding the other one. It is an interesting thought experiment.
I don't find it now, but I think it could be here under the section Relativity of Inertia ("Mach's Principle").

yeah. that is why the science can not tell for sure how things work.
even if they try. with all kinds of machines and testing to figure out things.
right now they are like very close to what happened just after big bang, but not how it happened. and because of that, we are not sure that anything is correct.

they also talk about structures, that after big bang, the universe didnt allow energy frequency to be in a certain level,
example:

when big bang started, you "room" was 10x10 in size. and if u look straight forward u saw your own backside.
in the same time, you could only see one color (example RED), the other colors didnt exist and couldn't be created at all. no matter what u did.
this principle would say that everything was like that, sounds, waves, energy, everything was limited to what the room could handle.

right now the space between atoms are increasing, that goes hand in hand with the universe expanding, like a balloon.
now its so big, that its hard to understand its structures.
do we really see a galaxy when watching the night sky, or are we seeing the same galaxy repeating itself?
example: galaxy A age 1 you see in position X,Y,Z, but the same galaxy you also see in another position, but age 10
we can not be sure.

we also have shadow galaxies, that we can not see at all. those should be created by anti-matter.
this could explain some phenomena how visible galaxies moves. do we know? nop. we are not sure either.

if theres anti-matter galaxies, it would mean there could be civilizations in those galaxies. and for them, we are the anti-matter.

we also have different cosmological theory.
one is that the center is empty, and around it we have something moving, like a solar system, a sol and planets moving around it.
but here, the center and the planets are nothing.
what this guy suggest is that only when the "planets" collide, its when it became "real".
that means, we could have billions of universes in the same spot but we can only see 1, the one that we are part of.
since this moving nothingness will create different "reality" depending on where on this structure we have collisions.

so, talking about cosmology, theres just theories, but not 100% facts. even if we can reach a 99% surety, its not 100%

that will apply to what Eduardo- is telling. we can not be 100% sure of anything. but we can be 99% sure.
but that little change in that 1% could change how everything really works.

One key feature of true science is being able to repeat the experiment.
How can one be supposed to repeat the Big-Bang to check whether it actually works?

In science, most theories that seems to work (*) on paper have problems when actually tested.

(*) And the Big-Bang theory has problems already on paper, but they don't tell you that (you can study them anyway). It is another narrative that is presented as "the truth".

another thing that fascinate me is logic. that is used by many disciplines as the base.
the initial "fact" is

A = -A is false or A can not be -A

and from there they add more and more rules.
but what if this is actually so. that A is indeed equal to -A

sure, to explain that it will be something very hard.
maybe so hard you will need to explain the entire universe and how everything works
and that would make this very complicated.

I like logic very much.
It is interesting that there are a lot of logical fallacies.
Some things can seem right at first sight, but induce you to erroneous conclusions.

The machinery of lies uses them a lot.
Some info here and here.

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We have words from darn near every language that is spoken anywhere around Europe, the Middle East, and so on, including made up words, acronyms that have become words, and every other fantastical formulation. English is very much the mutt of languages.

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Something I find interesting is the different accents across the country. Early in our history we had the thirteen colonies and they were relatively isolated. Accents were pretty much localized. As the country expanded westward accents tend to blend and are less distinct. By the time you are in California you are accent free. But I guess that is an accent in itself.

yeah, logical fallacies is when u mix logic with emotions.
and we are an emotional creature.

sure those people that are good in rhetoric usually seems quite emotionally disabled.
they can get away with it a bit, but if they keep doing it, eventually I just get irritated and will not listen anymore.
I get the feeling: how can I believe in a person that doesn't seem to react to anything.

to be too logical can also lead to psychopathy.
people that don't care anymore.
that is why populism works, (even if that could also be manipulation), people will see the politician react. they are "human" and people likes that.

the downside is that its hard to choose.
sometimes u need emotion to be present, that helps to see past some logical errors that the counterpart has.
and sometimes u need to just stick with logic, as the emotion can stop your arguments, if that person has strong emotions against, maybe a person, or a institution etc.

if we think about politicians, they are the expert in this subject.
practical philosophy, is what you study to be a good politician or consultant.
and if you study that, its all about manipulation.
they tell you "you need to learn how to sell this item in the best way" even if you don't believe it yourself.
quite terrible that they teach you that. where's the moral here?

but its the downside when they spit philosophy into different faculty.
they remove the moral and just use the practical use.

Humm, I think you are mixing many things.

I never related fallacies with emotions, but now I'm thinking that you are right. In many fallacies emotions play a role.

Still, it doesn't mean that emotions are bad per-se.
Not at all, emotions are good as far as they are in the right place.

It is like a car engine, there is water, there is oil and there is electricity. If you put water where there need to be just electricity, it will malfunction.

If you need to resolve an equation, you cannot alter the result according to your emotions. You will err.

Psychopaths are persons that have a kind of mentally disability that they don't feel any empathy for others. They can show like they care about others, but it is all fake. They manipulate other's emotions for their convenience.

Populists manipulate emotions of people, not sure if they are all psychopaths.

Many politicians apply seduction. "Seduction" in this sense is not "sexual attraction" but the art of... lets say hypnotizing and deceiving. Like a con man. When the victim realizes it is too late, or there is already another seduction on course.
Or may be a group in society got some true benefits for themselves and that's why they support the politician or party even when he has harmed most or many people.

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and if you study that, its all about manipulation.
they tell you "you need to learn how to sell this item in the best way" even if you don't believe it yourself.
quite terrible that they teach you that. where's the moral here?

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Most today's companies have no morals or values. Their only goal is making as much money as possible. Not different than a criminal organization. If they don't do more wrong, is for not going to jail or having plaints.

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Most today's companies have no morals or values. Their only goal is making as much money as possible. Not different than a criminal organization. If they don't do more wrong, is for not going to jail or having plaints.

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And they are run by psychopaths (I'm talking mostly about big companies).
It have much to do with what is happening with this pandemic.

emotions is something wide.

lets say, a younger person, uses emotion for communications that are easy to identify.
while older persons , they learn to control the outburst. they can also use it for their own advantages, like you wrote: seduction.
is an art to stimulate the other person by playing with their emotional state.

usually emotions are linked to primary needs, that are about survival instincts.
not always obvious, but the person gets "emotional" when it looses in game, when he sees someone successful, when theres a discussion, its not just about right and wrong but about the emotional state to lose that can create frustration and despair.

when emotions are "good", its instead a person that are in balance with his emotions.
that usually require a person with insight, understanding and resolved different issues that are mostly connected to his family, childhood etc.
a balance, is when emotional stimuli from the outside can be easily absorbed without the need of an reaction.
its a stability, a strength in that person to allow this. we could say he is mindful. accepting his whole person, without the need to get approval of anyone else.
that is a sign of a more primitive emotion that we can see in a younger person. that want attention from his parents and want to compete with them.

now, in my life I see a lot of this.
people are arguing with each other to get approval, an emotional state. the context of the argument is secondary.
that is why is very difficult to win an argument against an emotional person.
its much easier to "manipulate" that person using emotions, doing so, he will agree with you much easier.

so, how can we decide what emotion is good and what is bad?
intentions? your own interest? benefit to who?

if the person has an agenda and he know he will get successful if he win the debate
now, that emotion will be "good". he will use it as a boost, to be charismatic, strong, self-confidence.
but emotions per-se are not telling if its good or bad what he is doing. it could lead to war and destruction.

in the same time, a bad emotion, could make a person stand up. I will not stand to this injustice, I will fight.
that emotion can of course change into strength, if he gets enough people joining his resolve.

emotions play a role "how" we communicate. while logic, is the tool-set we are using. a skill.

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so, how can we decide what emotion is good and what is bad?

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In the example of the car engine, when water is in the place where it has electricity is bad.

In human, it is complex. I don't think there will be a general formula to define when emotions are good and when are bad. It depend of many factors.

But I could say that fear most of the times it is bad.

Mass formation has a lot to do with emotions, with putting emotions in the wrong place.

exactly. fear.

we read about war and famine, we see news about mass shooting, terrorism.
movies that is often about killing, crimes, mass destruction.
while we also avoiding fear as much possible. and if theres some bad emotion, we take drugs, alcohol
or we stay home all day playing games, its all about avoiding it and be scared that it will not come here.

now, the pandemic, and the media and government is using it to scare everyone to death.
people will demand to be saved. now they are ready. they can start the mass formation.

maybe we should create a new thread called "mass formation"

the subjects will be:

- of course mass formation
- covid/vaccines in a "mass formation" understanding
- the great reset/world economic forum. is mass formation created by them, if not by who and why? and if natural, how? coincidence?
- the human mind, psychology, sociology, philosophy.
- conspiracy theories.
- mass propaganda, lies, manipulation from media etc.
- and more

I think it can fit all. and leave this thread, to just be about corona news from media.

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maybe we should create a new thread

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I don't think it is for any of us, mods included, to decide what and what doesn't qualify as misinformation except only in extreme cases such as the outright staggering levels of stupidity that leads to theories like the Earth being flat.

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I'm not directing this at you specifically...just jumping in in the thread at this point...

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And who decides that? The two I mentioned are spreading absolutely false information that, maybe not affecting people at this site, adds to the 'global campaign" of misinformation that is killing millions. If the position here is people are smart enough to disregard it I'd agree. But tolerating this, not just here but across the forums, adds to people dying.

And it seems ludicrous that if I post the text "****" here I'll get a warning or knocked off from allowing to post but a couple of people can continue to post outright lies and falsehoods. What is more vulgar, a swearword, or harmful speech that has been proven to, by spreading falsehoods across the globe, to be killing people?

Suppose a couple of posters managed two squeeze in holocaust denial? Post after post for weeks how it wasn't true. Blog and podcast after another of people that "prove" it didn't happen. Telling anyone that disagreed they were ignorant and the enemy? Is the approach at this forum , well the people here know that isn't true?

How about if I got into race hate and fear mongering, is that crossing the line? Probably...

My point is there are some posters here that are flat out lying in a way that can be harmful. In total, across the internet, tolerating that is killing people, I don't like that this site is being part of allowing that. But I do respect this site allowing that only in the vein of free speech.

Ok; Which will get me a warning here from the moderators...Vaccines are worthless, the government is lying and resist any health measures because they are lying , masks are worthless, Kill Fauci , or posting F**K?

Where are the moderators priorities?

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I gave you a tiny view into what life is like in my home and immediately, you describe it as a hell hole.
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No, I didn't use that term until you had posted again and again about how difficult, dangerous, and challenging life is where you are. You've been relentlessly negative about your own home. I've never heard a single positive statement about the life you live and where you live it and LOTS of negative statements. Eventually, I just ended up summing it up, but it is based on your descriptions, not mine. Start talking more positively about your life and you won't hear anything like that statement from me. As long as you make it sound so relentlessly miserable, then you sound like those people I worked with in that valley where nobody had any dreams because they couldn't imagine a life outside that valley.

Shaggy Hiker: You mentioned diabetes being part of my friends months long struggle with Covid. He is still bed-ridden and very weak. His diabetes went from pills and diet to control it to now he needs insulin injections.

Resolutive results with oral corticosteroids for patients with COVID-19 in
pulmonary inflammatory phase. Successful outpatient experience during
the collapse of Belém do Pará Health System - Brazil.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medr...19949.full.pdf

and here a video of:
World doctors come together to tell European Parliament Members that EARLY TREATMENTS EXIST AND WORK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU6g9-cXaOk

From what I'm reading and not seen on the controlled media (yep I'm having a case of Baka-sis :) ) the prime of Canada has been fled to an unknown location and vaxbies politician are warned that they might get raided in their own houses. Let's truly hope so!
Also today our parliament is discussing aii, I don't know how exactly to translate, reproach against the government? Meaning if over voted we go to elections. It will not happen cuz the monkeys are holding so tight to their chairs that they could bend iron but the drums are starting to roll all over the world for the vaxbies. Sweden, Denmark, Czech de-lockdown on everything, covid is over and investigations might take place. Canada was the spark?
Do you hear the drums rolling vaxbies? DO YOU?! Drum drum drrrum druuumm do-do druuum druum drummm... ;)

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-89-en:a
Matthew Ehret (Journalist, lecturer and founder of the Canadian Patriot Review)

history about what the people in power that affected us for 300 years
and that could lead to the great reset

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-89-en:3
Thomas Röper (Free Journalist and book author) & Alex Thomson (former GCHQ officer, focused on former Soviet Union)

2 parts, the second with Alex Thomson (the one I watched)
about his knowledge of intelligence agencies, so making connection between different agencies,
different missions and purposes etc.

both very interesting and highly recommended.
a good way to understand the current conflicts and what this pandemic could be all about.

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From what I'm reading and not seen on the controlled media (yep I'm having a case of Baka-sis :) ) the prime of Canada has been fled to an unknown location and vaxbies politician are warned that they might get raided in their own houses. Let's truly hope so!

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In the US, that would be essentially a recall. It isn't the same thing, though. You have the ability to force early elections by votes of no confidence and the like. In other words, you can signal confidence in the government during sessions. We only have the recall, which is a fairly different thing. They also very rarely work. They can happen at state, local, or federal levels, and generally require some number of people to sign on just to get the recall election. Getting the number of people to sign on isn't easy, but not too hard. All you need is a small percentage of disgruntled people. It can be quite small, too, because most recall rules are based on total number of signatures, not percentage of the voting public, and either way, the numbers are small. So, if you have 5% that really hate some politician, you have enough to get a recall vote so long as you can find that 5%, but if that's all there is, you will lose the vote, because only a fraction of the 95% have to turn out and the recall will fail. For that reason, recalls very rarely work.

Your votes of no confidence are a simpler process in the end, in most cases, because they aren't a vote of the entire country. In a way, it's a bit nuts what we are doing: Have an election to determine whether or not to have an election before the normal election. Some recalls at least combine the first two such that it is, 'have an election to replace the incumbent with somebody else.' Still expensive, though.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...AGVOBN3F6PJSE/

the truth will set you free? seems not to work here.


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what is balance?

humans in earth are not in balance. that we can see.
but why and who started it and why he started it, for what reason?
the reason I say "started it", is that we are connected to our past, our ancestors.
what they did affect us now.

in genesis books is about the sin.
sin of knowledge? is there a price to pay for that?

if we lived in harmony, theres no evolution. we are in peace, we dont need anything, we are not sad or happy.
we don't need to achieve anything, since theres nothing to prove. we had everything but in the same time we had nothing.
how can you appreciate it when there was not struggle to get it.

everything goes in circles, it seems theres no solution for the whole population.
sure we have individuals that seems to go in a more balanced path, they find their purpose, they find peace.
but most of the time, we have a world of struggle. theres beauty, but a lot of pain and misery.

if theres a war going on. is this because of our greed to be free and have knowledge?
we wanted that and the price is slavery and censorship. we burn books and they enslave us.
until its time for a new revolution, because we want our freedom and we need knowledge.
thats the "balance". thats the price we need to pay. or can we escape it?

follow the truth seems to be a way of doing that, to unlock the chains.
by understanding your sin, when you can accept your past, your ancestors what they did.

its time to resolve your sins and those of the past.
if you can't we will again repeat the same mistake they did in the past.

https://tessa.substack.com/p/neil-young-pfizer

Neil Young, the Incidental (?) Prophet of Pfizer
Half of his catalogue is owned by an investment fund with ties to BlackStone.

Unless I missed something, a tread was locked with no apparent reason.
Also that thread was taking the load of this one.
Even if those 2 where driving me nuts with continued bombardment I want to state for the record that I'm highly against what happened in a Chit-Chat thread.There was no profanity or spamming.
Of course I' not going to die over it, my life is not depended of a chit-chat but it was annoying so I'm mentioning it.

Again, unless I missed something.

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Unless I missed something, a tread was lock with no apparent reason.
Also that thread was taking the load of this one.
Even if those 2 where driving me nuts with continued bombardment I want to state for the record that I'm highly against what happened in a Chit-Chat thread.There was no profanity or spamming.
Of course I' not going to die over it, my life is not depended of a chit-chat but it was annoying so I'm mentioning it.

Again, unless I misted something.

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The first thread that Baka started, he posted a video that showed a fake but infamous decapitation about one minute into the video. Alot of members and non-forum members watched it. I also saw this disgusting part of the video, which to the wrong person will distract from the videos message, and set them off to do something horrible.

Aha.
OK, that, I missed.
So I take it back.

(Although I have watched much worse in horror movies but that is not for everyone's eyes)

it was just an excuse.
the same with Neil Young, that I posted recently.
his act against Joe Rogan is simply because Neil is owned by BlackStone. and what do we know about BlackStone?
yeah. big pharma. so ofcourse. everything that goes against the narrative we need to cut out.

no democracy, no freedom, nothing. we need to follow the narrative like in a communist country.
if you dare say anything against the narrative you need to be removed.
and thats what happened here. we are removed because we are not following the narrative.
of course we can not have our own channel discussion this matter. no we need to be here so you can play masters.
shut us down, tell us how bad we are, how wrong, how false we are. so you feel good about yourself, that you did the right decision, that following the narrative is the right thing.

even if more and more people are now going against the narrative, its hard to break.
its connected to media and politicians, they own everything but not everyone.

it will be very interesting to see how you will react when we will finally get out of it.

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Aha.
OK, that, I missed.
So I take it back.

(Although I have watched much worse in horror movies but that is not for everyone's eyes)

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You can see much worse things anywhere, but they aren't allowed here. Note the pruning of images from the Post Race thread, and so forth. The lines on this forum are much more cautious than they are in other parts of public media. Technically, the only totally safe place to draw the line on a programming forum is to eliminate CC entirely and leave it as just programming. I think that would make the site clearly worse, but it requires that people self police when it comes to certain images and language. People are usually quite good at that, here.

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the same with Neil Young, that I posted recently.
his act against Joe Rogan is simply because Neil is owned by BlackStone.

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Yeah, that's a reach. Neil Young has spent his entire career doing things like this, often to the detriment of his career and income. In this case, he sold a bunch of his catalog for a huge amount of money. Guess what: They can throw out the catalog if they want to, but they can't ask for their money back, so thinking that they have some leverage over a person who hasn't even allowed his friends to have any influence with him, is pretty fanciful.

Shaggy. maybe we should all stop reading news and only ask you.
you could have your own podcast, with the latest and also your insight.
as you will know the answer if its right or wrong.
it seems u have the answer to everything. its like you are an encyclopedia.
no matter what I post you always counter it.
you are smarter than most scientist and doctors, you know about all people.
is there anything at all that you don't know?

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Originally Posted by baka

Shaggy. maybe we should all stop reading news and only ask you.
you could have your own podcast, with the latest and also your insight.
as you will know the answer if its right or wrong.
it seems u have the answer to everything. its like you are an encyclopedia.
no matter what I post you always counter it.
you are smarter than most scientist and doctors, you know about all people.
is there anything at all that you don't know?

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Baka, since when do you follow the news? :ehh:

Wait a sec, your newsletters! I forgot! :)

That newsletter from an unknown named Tessa Fights Robots about Neil Young was interesting. I'm sure you could've found another newsletter to back that up. Maybe from Tessa Fight Robot's boyfriend!

You have all the answers, Baka! We should only be listening to you without question!

You're infallible, with all the answers! Only your info and opinions matter!

Only losers complain, and we know you're not one. So stop complaining, Baka, and counter the counterers with more info, like with more newsletters and videos (minus decapitations).

I believe in you! :wave:

If I may.
I'm not annoyed with the info, well minus decapitation and the continuous posting right below and below and below etc...
It would be better to sum everything in one post at a time ,instead of 5 (Eduardo is doing this also) and let others read em.
As Peter pointed out other people that do not post are reading these so they are interested.
I would also disregard the constant picking by Shaggy, it's his signature move. :p
I'm less and less posting because i think what has to be told about covid has been told already.It would be nice to have a new thread about the non covid stuff you guys are posting so we don't do this one a Post Race thread. But please no decapitations and such.
So if we all agree and is OK with Peter, can we re open the tread and post stuff over there? Is that OK with everyone?

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it seems u have the answer to everything. its like you are an encyclopedia.

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I looked it up. You could, too.

Here's where he sold the rights:

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/new...tment-1110037/

That's not Blackstone, but this is how people tie it to Blackstone:

https://www.blackstone.com/news/pres...e%20catalogues.

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If I may.
I'm not annoyed with the info, well minus decapitation and the continuous posting right below and below and below etc...
It would be better to sum everything in one post at a time ,instead of 5 (Eduardo is doing this also) and let others read em.
As Peter pointed out other people that do not post are reading these so they are interested.
I would also disregard the constant picking by Shaggy, it's his signature move. :p
I'm less and less posting because i think what has to be told about covid has been told already.It would be nice to have a new thread about the non covid stuff you guys are posting so we don't do this one a Post Race thread. But please no decapitations and such.
So if we all agree and is OK with Peter, can we re open the tread and post stuff over there? Is that OK with everyone?

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Sapator, I think this chat could also work in this thread instead of reopening the other, just everyone needs to be open to other opinions, and take responsibility for what they post if countered, and not just get personal and smear members in response, but counter intelligently with carefully researched info.

I only wrote what I wrote to Baka, not just because his smears on Shaggy, labeling other members as enemies, but because he just wants to be the one with all the answers uncountered. No one should double check him or express and opinion he doesn't agree with, because he sees that as evil. He wants to be unquestioned.

Others have countered before, so I don't see this as a signature move by Shaggy.

I'd say that Eduardo put it best in his post about the flat earth forum. Those folks believe that they have the truth and that everybody else is deluded/sheep/not thinking clearly/etc. That's the basic position of both sides here. I've been asking for papers, Baka has provided them.

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Sapator, I think this chat could also work in this thread instead of reopening the other, just everyone needs to be open to other opinions, and take responsibility for what they post if countered, and not just get personal and smear members in response, but counter intelligently with carefully researched info.

I only wrote what I wrote to Baka, not just because his smears on Shaggy, labeling other members as enemies, but because he just wants to be the one with all the answers uncountered. No one should double check him or express and opinion he doesn't agree with, because he sees that as evil. He wants to be unquestioned.

Others have countered before, so I don't see this as a signature move by Shaggy.

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Ok no problem, it would be better tho if the posts where summed into a big one rather that 5 small ones. Just a request.
Ohh Shaggy and his signature move. I think is what motivates him just before a hike. Tell on everyone, feel proud that he did and then go on a hike. :D
Just a little off with where covid started tho :cool: (to get to the mood again)

Off topic, I tried Aces High on base guitar :eek:
And with finger picking :eek::eek2:

Decapitation????????? I don't remember that.

LOL, you guys cannot be more infantile.
Look for another excuse to decry ideas that you don't like (and scare you because you are too weak).

Talk me about losers. You are already lost from long time.
When comes someone here to open your minds, you are scared. You have been in prison for too long, and you now want to remain there. You are scared to be free.

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Even if you kill all messengers that you can, the reality will be the same, you are only closing your eyes.

The truth cannot be changed by closing the eyes.
The truth is the truth, it doesn't matter if someone says it or not, it does not change if someone believes it or not. The truth is not affected, you are only affected by remaining ignorant and deceiving yourself.

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You can add mountains of false information. It won't do anything to the truth. It won't change a little bit.

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It would be better to sum everything in one post at a time ,instead of 5 (Eduardo is doing this also) and let others read em.

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Yes, I know. But after I post I keep thinking, and come with another concept that I want to add.
I sometimes worry about this one to be missed if I edit the last post (I don't think that people are re-reading posts that they already read).

Or sometimes because it is a concept completely different, unrelated.
I didn't know that this can bother someone.

Another reason is replying to some other member post, like I'm doing now.

Use the scroll, I think it is more or less the same if it is one or more posts.

Hello Peter Porter,
welcome to "team Shaggy".

I respect Shaggy, he is a smart person. he do his research well, most of the time very respectful and diplomatic.
that of course doesn't mean we are playing the same team. we are in different teams.
right now your time is about survival. you need to invalidate everything what we present or you get weaker.
so far we are in the loosing side. Shaggy has been able to tackle most of it.
that doesn't mean I feel Im loosing, I feel more sure than ever, my resolve is stronger.
but Im also sure you are the same. your "team" is growing in power.
the dynamic between our teams are obvious. you are critical to everything we share, but do nothing to your own team.
its simple sociology/psychology. the behavior of the pack/herd.

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Decapitation????????? I don't remember that.

LOL, you guys cannot be more infantile.
Look for another excuse to decry ideas that you don't like (and scare you because you are too weak).

Talk me about losers. You are already lost from long time.
When comes someone here to open your minds, you are scared. You have been in prison for too long, and you now want to remain there. You are scared to be free.

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Eduardo, this infantile messaged you the video Baka posted that shoes the fake infamous decapitation. I'll send the video's link to Sapator so he sees it's true. It's hard for me to believe that you forgot about it, but if you did since you was concentrated on it's message, it's 1 minute and 10 seconds in.

I was joking about losers, Ed, but you're obviously not.

It can't be a one way street with you and Baka. We're open to whatever is presented (minus decapitations), but you guys have to be open to others opinions and counter information.

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Even if you kill all messengers that you can, the reality will be the same, you are only closing your eyes.

The truth cannot be changed by closing the eyes.
The truth is the truth, it doesn't matter if someone says it or not, it does not change if someone believes it or not. The truth is not affected, you are only affected by remaining ignorant and deceiving yourself.

You can add mountains of false information. It won't do anything to the truth. It won't change a little bit.

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Different opinions with counter information is a great way to open eyes. But it seems like you guys have made up your minds, so you're closing them to whatever is presented that doesn't fall inline with your information.

No one has all the answers, but it seems like you guys want everyone to read what you write without checking up on it. Why can't we do that? If you're right, we'll discover that, but if you're wrong and presented with opposing info or opinions, you have to accept or counter with carefully researched info.

I think Peter is forgetting that we can not put "everything" in each post, it would be too much to read.
so far

- we have shared tons of video/links about censorship, a network that is connected to media, politicians and big companies.
- media is altering the truth and hiding everything that goes against the narrative.
- big pharma is everywhere, in schools, in media, politicians, its all connected into people in power and their organizations behind it
- government works for them, showing data that they want to show, manipulating it so they can use it.

with that in mind we have tried to share sources from people that are not following the narrative.
- doctors, scientist, groups. but the only response is conspiracy and fake. using "fact checkers" sites, that we can not be sure if they are legit or working for big pharma.

theres tons of interviews and people discussing about this, its not just a few people, but a lot.
we have tried to show that, but you ignore it completely or say its fake or wrong.
we shared video about that. but nobody of you want to watch. immediately you tell, its fake.

now, we are in the conclusion that it most be "mass formation",
I stopped to try to convince you since you don't care at all. you discredit it anyway.
so now instead I share videos about that, its whats Im interested in right now, how can people follow the narrative without having any critical thoughts about it at all.
believing it blindly.

after that we started to discuss, what is all this? are there any higher purpose? maybe its spiritual? this is what religions have been written about, a judgement day.
lots of false Prophets. with that in mind I try to connect the dots.

the teams are already there. you are playing your team and I play my team.
its not about trying to convince you. but about the truth. that can not be silenced. otherwise the "false prophet" will win.
the important thing right now is to follow the truth and nothing else. thats what God asked of us.

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Hello Peter Porter,
welcome to "team Shaggy".

I respect Shaggy, he is a smart person. he do his research well, most of the time very respectful and diplomatic.
that of course doesn't mean we are playing the same team. we are in different teams.
right now your time is about survival. you need to invalidate everything what we present or you get weaker.
so far we are in the loosing side. Shaggy has been able to tackle most of it.
that doesn't mean I feel Im loosing, I feel more sure than ever, my resolve is stronger.
but Im also sure you are the same. your "team" is growing in power.
the dynamic between our teams are obvious. you are critical to everything we share, but do nothing to your own team.
its simple sociology/psychology. the behavior of the pack/herd.

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Baka, firstly, sorry about reminding Eduardo with a messaged link to your video that has the fake but infamous decapitation in it.

From what I've been reading and getting from your mindset, no one should counter you with different opinions, and we shouldn't share our research that we do to see if you're right or wrong. Got it!

Look, there's alot of stuff that you wrote that I agree with, and there's stuff I agree with from Shaggy and others. Why does it bother you when others check your info? You can do that to! There is no onesided law against it.

share our research, that I would love more of.
so far it mostly one-sided. we share, you discredit.
maybe its time that you share and we look into it?

but here's a reminder. I did share a lot, so its obvious you can not look into everything, but I think we need to discrit this first before we can continue:

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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1262415v1.full

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Large-scale study of antibody titer decay following BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine or SARS-CoV-2 infection

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....19.21262111v1

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Discrete Immune Response Signature to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination Versus Infection

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https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3838993

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Antibody Evolution after SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.29.454333v1

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Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v3

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Previous COVID-19 infection but not Long-COVID is associated with increased adverse events following BNT162b2/Pfizer vaccination

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....15.21252192v1

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SARS-CoV-2 Antibody Response to the BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine in Persons with Past Natural Infection

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8422040/

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SARS-CoV-2 re-infection risk in Austria

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One-year sustained cellular and humoral immunities of COVID-19 convalescents

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https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...ytQ_Hc.twitter

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I did share a lot, so its obvious you can not look into everything, but I think we need to discrit this first before we can continue:

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Wow, that's alot to go over. Gonna take me a few days.

Sorry about what I wrote before. I'm mostly just a reader in Chit Chat, and like seeing healthy conversations where people don't take counters personal.

Off topic, do you still program? I've taken a break from it, and only discovered you here in Chit Chat.

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Eduardo, this infantile messaged you the video Baka posted that shoes the fake infamous decapitation.

I'll send the video's link to Sapator so he sees it's true. It's hard for me to believe that you forgot about it, but if you did since you was concentrated on it's message, it's 1 minute and 10 seconds in.

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LOL! Now you are concerned about Trump being decapitated :confused:

You should have reported the video to Youtube, they have an strong policy about content. And not here asking to delete a whole tread. That was a so coward action.

Youtube asks the people to log-in before watching videos intended for adults.
Anyway, I believe we are all adults here (are we?).

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It can't be a one way street with you and Baka.

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Is that a threat?

Who a re you BTW? Are you someone using multiple accounts?
You just came here and didn't participate for months, and suddenly you know so much about us?

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We're open to whatever is presented (minus decapitations), but you guys have to be open to others opinions and counter information.

Different opinions with counter information is a great way to open eyes. But it seems like you guys have made up your minds, so you're closing them to whatever is presented that doesn't fall inline with your information.

No one has all the answers, but it seems like you guys want everyone to read what you write without checking up on it. Why can't we do that? If you're right, we'll discover that, but if you're wrong and presented with opposing info or opinions, you have to accept or counter with carefully researched info.

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We have been discussing for months, but when the other person is dishonest and do not want to answer to any of the strong arguments we make, and just want to attack using invalid arguments (that were already invalidated by our evidence -that they didn't see anyway-), it is turned into a wasted time.
I already said that I was not going to respond, or to even read, some people posts.
They can post whatever they want, but I'll ignore.
If they are worried about "other people reading" (that is another falsehood anyway), they can post their rebuttal for them (I won't read).

I see them as dogs that bark every time I pass.

I value my time, I don't feel myself obligated to answer any nonsense posted as a rebuttal.

I very much value valid arguments, but they seem to be too few to spend time on those messages.

What's the problem? They can ignore my messages too. They can't? Why?

I repeat my question: who are you, actually?
Don't be afraid to confess. :cool:

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LOL! Now you are concerned about Trump being decapitated :confused:

You should have reported the video to Youtube, they have an strong policy about content. And not here asking to delete a whole tread. That was a so coward action.

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I didn't report the thread. You think I'm the only one who saw that part of the video?

You should never assume. Because when you assume. It makes ass out of... I better not finish that. LOL! :bigyello:

I think they want to silence us by any means.

That is what the mass formation and mass psychosis videos (and accessory materials) explained, and they are following the script verbatim.
IDK if they watched the videos, but they are doing exactly what the videos explained.

So, now I have a "conspiracy theory": they are going to do whatever it takes to silence us.

The options are:

1) To close this thread.
2) To change forum rules.
2) To remove the Chit-Chat section.
3) To ban us.

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PS: In the meanwhile, I'll keep posting while I can.

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It can't be a one way street with you and Baka.

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Is that a threat?:

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Nope, it's not. Sad you have to take it out of context. I fill in what you chose to leave out.

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It can't be a one way street with you and Baka. We're open to whatever is presented (minus decapitations, which was in Baka's video), but you guys have to be open to others opinions and counter information.

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Please don't frame me again!

If you are someone else, then you don't know what have been happening here. If so, be wise and keep quiet.

Or... keep talking about issues you don't know about, and I'll ignore your posts too. Easy.

Ok, Spiderman, I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
I'll make a new post and you'll see for yourself what happens.

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Who a re you BTW? Are you someone using multiple accounts?
You just came here and didn't participate for months, and suddenly you know so much about us?

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Do you seriously believe no one else reads this thread, but only people who post to it? I'm sure alot of lurkers with and without accounts have read this thread. Is that so hard to believe? This thread has been viewed over 432,000 times!

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We have been discussing for months, but when the other person is dishonest and do not want to answer to any of the strong arguments we make, and just want to attack using invalid arguments (that were already invalidated by our evidence -that they didn't see anyway-), it is turned into a wasted time.
I already said that I was not going to respond, or to even read, some people posts.
They can post whatever they want, but I'll ignore.
If they are worried about "other people reading" (that is another falsehood anyway), they can post their rebuttal for them (I won't read).

I see them as dogs that bark every time I pass.

I value my time, I don't feel myself obligated to answer any nonsense posted as a rebuttal.

I very much value valid arguments, but they seem to be too few to spend time on those messages.

What's the problem? They can ignore my messages too. They can't? Why?

I repeat my question: who are you, actually?
Don't be afraid to confess. :cool:

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A lurker who's been reading this thread who delurked. I might have missed a few things, But I've been reading this thread on the sidelines. Why is that so hard for you to believe?

If someone counters your info, or presents you with something you don't agree with, you and Baka always go off the deep end with a smear and insult campaign. Baka calls members enemies, and now you see everyone as dogs. Come on!

If I missed it, and you guys were also called dogs or enemies, whatever, that's also not right.

I prefer to read healthy conversations where everyone is open minded, minus insults and smears.

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share our research, that I would love more of.

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Literally the first link has the following in big bold text at the very top of the article: "The following is a pre-print and has not been peer reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice". I honestly can't be bothered to waste my time checking the rest.

As for Neil Young and Joe Rogan, Neil did not pull his catalogue in response to Joe's views on vaccines. He pulled them in response to a conversation between Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson in which they said that a black professor wasn't black. He went on to say that the word black should not be applied unless someone is "100% African from the darkest place where they're not wearing any clothes all day and they've developed all that melanin to protect themselves to protect themselves from the sun". You can find the conversation here. The quote above starts at 0:30. I actually quite like Joe Rogan on the whole, he invites all sorts views both comfortable and uncomfortable and it leads to some interesting conversations. But in that segment he displayed an astonishing amount of ignorance tending toward outright racism and I'm not surprised there's been backlash. But the backlash has nothing whatsoever to do with his medical views.

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We have. Repeatedly. We've cited and linked to actual peer reviewed medical papers as sources which you have not engaged with. We have challenged your sources and found them wanting. The problem you face is that your arguments cannot be described in any way as "strong".