Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

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they have put this in display in a grand jury

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It's never going to see a grand jury. It has no substance and no grand jury will consider it.

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I can't explain in two lines why fast-checkers are mostly useless

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Oh I fully understand why you disagree with fact checkers. You're assumption is that anything that disagrees with your narrative must be part of the conspiracy. The problem is this view disregards the very principle of scientific peer review. Now fact checkers themselves wouldn't qualify as scientific peer reviewers but they work on the same principles. They publish their conclusions and invite criticism. That's why the fact checkers go all the way down. There are few things a fact checker would relish more than the opportunity to debunk another fact checker - it's the best sort of scoop there is.

Further, they cite their sources, allowing you to back check their veracity. In the case of the last link I gave you the source page is here. It includes the WHO, the Lancet, the CDC... you know... actual credible scientific bodies that require peer review. They require papers to be published in reputable scientific journals where they can be assessed and criticised by fellow scientists. This is important - it's the scientific process and it's the thing that separates us from plague doctors of the 1300s who would have blamed covid on miasmas.

Your sources, on the other hand, do not require any of this type of rigor. They are not science, they are unsubstantiated opinion. And to build your world view on this without engaging in any of that rigor yourself invalidates your conclusions because, as the most junior student of logic will tell you, you cannot draw a conclusion from predicates without first establishing the veracity of those predicates. It is not enough to simply will them into being. It allows you to divorce yourself from reality, which is what you've down. It's how Baka can arrive at the conclusion that a virus which overly kills old people can have been deliberately created and released in order to exterminate the young. That's Pizzagate, right there.

But I'll offer the invite again: who are your valid sources? We can apply some scientific rigor to them and find out if they have validity or not. If you're unwilling or unable to engage in that process you cannot expect anyone to view your opinions as anything other than the ravings of the deranged.


Edit> I've already done you the courtesy of watching several and checking their veracity. I owe you nothing more on that front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqdAPt4rT8

Let's not poultrize the thread. There is one for it.

that song is quite the importance. its used in rally's for the protest against vaccination mandate.

Fine but let's not turn it into a songs protest contest, please.

ok. whats your problem? thats one post, not number 14. and one that is actually relevant as its not just a random song. u can look it up on youtube, to see live footage of that song as well.

also, the numerous times u just post strange post about, Im not sure what about. jelly bears and such.
if you want to be anal about it, stop posting crap like that and just focus on relevant information of corona.

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I quite like it, it's catchy. I don't think it substantially contributes to your argument though. Mind you, you were quoting Russel Brand as a source earlier so I guess you haven't actually lowered the bar.

never quoted him, I think u confuse me with Eduardo.

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To your neighbors.

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Woof. THAT pack of lunatics? I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

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Nothing wrong with liking or watching sports. But when you're studying it to the point of damn near obsession while struggling to make ends meet then you're a fool.

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As long as you include the second half of that statement, then I agree with the first half of the statement. If you are not struggling to make ends meet, then I'd say you can obsess over whatever you want to. I kind of have to say that. Everybody I know has some kind of hobby that they pursue almost beyond reason. I don't do anything like that (unless you count putting on a pack and walking for several months until you get to the point where you are eating opened Crisco you found in a shack, which was several hundred miles after you broke a bone in your foot), but I know people who do.

We all have our idiosyncrasies. Some focus more on the idiot part, others more on the sin part, and others on the crazy part, but we all have them.

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never quoted him, I think u confuse me with Eduardo.

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Fair enough, my mistake.

Please shorter the next time.

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Oh I fully understand why you disagree with fact checkers. You're assumption is that anything that disagrees with your narrative must be part of the conspiracy.

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No. And I don't have "a narrative".
(Sorry, if you wanted something more extensive... but I have too much to read below)

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The problem is this view disregards the very principle of scientific peer review.

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Absolutely not, rather the opposite is true (there are a lot of pair review, unlike labs data. - But didn't I already say that in one of my last answers to you?-).

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Now fact checkers themselves wouldn't qualify as scientific peer reviewers but they work on the same principles. They publish their conclusions and invite criticism. That's why the fact checkers go all the way down. There are few things a fact checker would relish more than the opportunity to debunk another fact checker - it's the best sort of scoop there is.

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You seem to believe a lot in those "sacred angels". I'm sure they dress in white.

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Further, they cite their sources, allowing you to back check their veracity.

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Yes, sure, the WHO, CDC, NIH, laboratories or someone they hired.

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In the case of the last link I gave you the source page is here. It includes the WHO, the Lancet, the CDC... you know... actual credible scientific bodies

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Yes, very credible. Specially Credible in capital.

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that require peer review. They require papers to be published in reputable scientific journals

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It used to be. Not now anymore, at least not always now.
Do you know that happened with Hydroxychloroquine (I guess you don't know what I'm talking about)

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where they can be assessed and criticised by fellow scientists.

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That theory is good.
Yes, in the papers it works like that.

BTW: you don't need to explain to me how science works, how these publications work, I already know that.

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This is important - it's the scientific process and it's the thing that separates us from plague doctors of the 1300s who would have blamed covid on miasmas.

Your sources, on the other hand, do not require any of this type of rigor.

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You know nothing about my sources. Pure speculation and prejudice.

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But I'll offer the invite again: who are your valid sources?

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Valid sources of what?

BTW, you perhaps can help me with something that I want to do now.
I need some fact check, but not from fact checkers sites, but from the actual sources. If you are so good checking facts... perhaps you can help me.

But first I will wait for your answer to know what you are asking.

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I quite like it, it's catchy. I don't think it substantially contributes to your argument though. Mind you, you were quoting Russel Brand as a source earlier so I guess you haven't actually lowered the bar.

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You can check the sources he publishes.
Do you want a scientific paper for everything?

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You can check the sources he publishes.
Do you want a scientific paper for everything?

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Ideally, yes. Even a book is considered secondary material. Those videos people keep posting aren't even considered grey material.

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You know nothing about my sources. Pure speculation and prejudice.

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That's true, but you can remedy that: Cite your sources.

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That's true, but you can remedy that: Cite your sources.

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^What he said^

not sure. here we need to prove everything, while u dont.
whats your proof that the vaccine are good for you?

that mrna protocol could change your genome sequence. especially pregnant women, that could change the cell of the fetus.
but even so, in media they just say "here u go, pregnant women can take it no probs, no risks", "pregnant women are egoistical, they need to take it, only 50% so far".
its like they want everybody to take this untested vaccine and are quite aggressive about it.

meanwhile all those studies takes many years, 10+ to even know if a new product is safe at all.
how many mrna studies do we have that are "completed" and also "accepted" for use? and, mrna product used in vaccination and not as gene therapy, since this is not to repair cells but to "modify".
do you even have proof that the modification is temporary? wheres the data for that? its just someone told you in the news. are there any scientific facts?
and what proof do you have that the modification of the cells, that are doing the same with all cells in the body, depending on age, sex, health status etc?
will the cell remember? theres studies that show that rna "can" modify dna. as we know from viruses, that humans inherited from their folks. so theres a possibility.
are you sure this is not happening?

you have zero proof. just something from the news telling you its safe. and what source?
are they sure?. the studies are not even done. nobody knows yet. how can they knows that? do they have a time machine?

still we are doing a mass vaccination that could lead to cell modifications, especially now that they also vaccinate kids and pregnant women.

the only thing you have accomplished so far is telling us: fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake to whatever we are showing.

you are taking a big risk here. its a dangerous game you are playing.
but it seems you are all doctors that know exactly what this vaccine is doing. good for you.

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See the graph I posted previously. I really can't be bothered to post it again since you clearly can't be bothered to even look at it. But feel free to extend me the same courtesy that I've repeatedly extended to you. Check my source.

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that mrna protocol could change your genome sequence

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Already Debunked

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meanwhile all those studies takes many years, 10+ to even know if a new product is safe at all.

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Nope, every single vaccine that has ever been released had no history of public use at the point it was released - by definition it could not have a history of public use before it's released. We don't rely on a history of public use when measuring the safety of vaccines because, by definition we can't. The covid vaccines have gone through exactly the same scientific test and rigour in order to receive approval as every other vaccine that gets released. Indeed, given their widespread distributions, the covid vaccines are probably the most thoroughly tested vaccines there have ever been.

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meanwhile all those studies takes many years, 10+ to even know if a new product is safe at all.

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The CDC, the WHO, the NHS... actual scientists in good standing.

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the only thing you have accomplished so far is telling us: fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake to whatever we are showing.

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Well, yeah... because everything you're showing is fake.

ok I will remember this FunkyDexter

I say. ignore my post, because I have zero interest in having arguments with you. and Im sure you don't care what I say either. so why bother?
I will now put you on ignore. (I can't , unfortunately ... but I will try to ignore your post)

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No. If you post something I disagree with, I'll challenge it. That's how public discourse works. If you want to remain unchallenged then it's on you to improve the quality of what you're posting. Do your research.

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ok. whats your problem? thats one post, not number 14. and one that is actually relevant as its not just a random song. u can look it up on youtube, to see live footage of that song as well.

also, the numerous times u just post strange post about, Im not sure what about. jelly bears and such.
if you want to be anal about it, stop posting crap like that and just focus on relevant information of corona.

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Read the thread name. There was another thread about what you are posting those few weeks.
I don't mind it but I'm entitled to post "crap" as there are as relevant as your post on a thread that is about covid.
Also when I was posting stuff about covid 2 years ago that was not the strange things you post about and was attacked, I didn't see you defending me, or you didn't have a clue on how fake this whole thing is and you just woke up after 2 years? So bite me, I will post what I post and focus wherever I want to focus and certainly not post crappy copycat music with crappy profound lyrics and crappy voices.

P.S. I did not mean Ursarians, I meant Usaians - U-Science , It's heard the same you got me pawned for similar hearing, I strike back (I wrote stroke back at first but it seemed profound, so I left it...But then I changed it so I don't get pawned again)

What are Spike Proteins?

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Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is the virus behind the worldwide outbreak of COVID-19 disease. One of the key biological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2, as well as several other viruses, is the presence of spike proteins that allow these viruses to penetrate host cells and cause infection.

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This is not a bunch of nails and broken glass for "tires" in your blood to drive over and get punctured.

And in case you still aren't paying atention: the vaccines are not made of spike proteins, the virus is what carries those.

But I wouldn't expect hair-on-fire antivaxxers to be bothered by facts. Overreaction to each others' grunts and squeaks and misinterpretations of words seems to be the norm for that clan. What we're really seeing from them is COVID denial. BS like "It's flu, a cold, a sniffle. I refuse to wash my hands, wear a mask, stay home away from people, get vaccinated, wear clean underwear, brush my teeth."

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lmao,

I like it, but unfortunately I think all three parts apply to me.

that is why I posted this link: https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5
theres so much videos from many people, mostly professors, scientist and doctors discussing this.

or you think its all fake? a propaganda machine?
well dilettante, you can believe whatever u want. but I will do the same.

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What are Spike Proteins?



This is not a bunch of nails and broken glass for "tires" in your blood to drive over and get punctured.

And in case you still aren't paying atention: the vaccines are not made of spike proteins, the virus is what carries those.

But I wouldn't expect hair-on-fire antivaxxers to be bothered by facts. Overreaction to each others' grunts and squeaks and misinterpretations of words seems to be the norm for that clan. What we're really seeing from them is COVID denial. BS like "It's flu, a cold, a sniffle. I refuse to wash my hands, wear a mask, stay home away from people, get vaccinated, wear clean underwear, brush my teeth."

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Hey hold on there! I brush my teeth!
(although I think the post was not addressed to me)

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Hey hold on there! I brush my teeth!
(although I think the post was not addressed to me)

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We need proof, make sure it's peer reviewed. Please no pic's. lol

Well if you don't like teeth pics, how about my underwear? :lol:
(I feel a ban coming.....)

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Everybody I know has some kind of hobby that they pursue almost beyond reason.

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I don't know what kind of people some of you have lived with but I grew up around middle to lower class people. One of the things you always hear in any social setting is complaints about their lot in life. "I can't pay my rent", "my child's father is not helping me", "I need money to fix my roof", "I can't buy anything for my son's birthday"....yet these same people can give you a detailed information about their favorite sports stars and all the things they did in their life. All I can think to myself if it they spent even 10% of the time they spent learning all that rubbish to learn something that's actually useful, then perhaps they can use that knowledge to earn more money.

If someone wants to pursue a passion beyond reason, I say have at it but do not complain about your life falling apart. You should accept that as a consequence of your choices.

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that mrna protocol could change your genome sequence. especially pregnant women, that could change the cell of the fetus.

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What's the mechanism here? I realize that Funky already posted a link to something debunking that, but this is basic biology. DNA gets transcribed into mRNA, which gets translated into proteins. What is the mechanism for mRNA getting written back into DNA? That would be a bit problematic, considering that every cell is creating mRNA constantly. If that mRNA just ended up back in DNA, that would be bad in a series of different ways. For one thing, the nucleic acids in mRNA are not the same as in DNA (three of the four are, but not the fourth), so what you'd require would be something that would reverse the transcription. That exists, but either as part of a virus, or for specific purposes.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...2Dstrand%20DNA.

So, the mRNA vaccines, which are not RNA viruses, wouldn't have that.

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Ideally, yes. Even a book is considered secondary material. Those videos people keep posting aren't even considered grey material.

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I didn't know that you were so advanced. Only scientific papers for you. And you for us, for all you say you will backup it with a scientific paper also?

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That's true, but you can remedy that: Cite your sources.

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The sources has been always there. You are lazy to go and check, and that's what really happened. That's not my fault.

I had posted:

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Valid sources of what?

BTW, you perhaps can help me with something that I want to do now.
I need some fact check, but not from fact checkers sites, but from the actual sources. If you are so good checking facts... perhaps you can help me.

But first I will wait for your answer to know what you are asking.

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That was the only important thing, and was ignored. All the other is BS.
Are you still demanding something?

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I don't know what kind of people some of you have lived with but I grew up around middle to lower class people. One of the things you always hear in any social setting is complaints about their lot in life. "I can't pay my rent", "my child's father is not helping me", "I need money to fix my roof", "I can't buy anything for my son's birthday"....yet these same people can give you a detailed information about their favorite sports stars and all the things they did in their life. All I can think to myself if it they spent even 10% of the time they spent learning all that rubbish to learn something that's actually useful, then perhaps they can use that knowledge to earn more money.

If someone wants to pursue a passion beyond reason, I say have at it but do not complain about your life falling apart. You should accept that as a consequence of your choices.

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Yeah, I agree. It goes beyond that, too. Earlier in my career, I worked a job where we hired people who either couldn't, or didn't want to, get a real job. It started with the 'didn't want to', and there were still a fair number of them. Before my time, we would hire people in the fall for a couple weeks, so we ended up with housewives looking for a bit of cash for Christmas. The fact that it was a very temporary job was the appeal.

By the time I was working there, the window where the work was happening was a bit larger, but had shifted to the spring and then again in mid-summer. It was still only a few weeks, not necessarily 40/week even then, didn't pay well, and required standing in one spot pretty much all day with your hands in cold water (and it could be REALLY cold, like below freezing). The only benefit was some travel, and meals were provided.

Who would take such a job? It ended up being a mix of the same as before along with people from an area where nobody had dreams. Their opportunities really sucked so long as they remained in that valley, but so few of them seemed to even realize there were opportunities all over, so long as they moved.

It's not exactly the same as spending your life focused on a sports team, of course, but it's the same principle: A group of people whose lives are constrained by a lack of vision and endeavor, not a lack of opportunity.

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I didn't know that you were so advanced. Only scientific papers for you. And you for us, for all you say you will backup it with a scientific paper also?

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Will certainly do so. They won't be videos, though.

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And in case you still aren't paying atention: the vaccines are not made of spike proteins, the virus is what carries those.

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I didn't knew that you had so little knowledge about vaccines.

Most vaccines (*) have the spike protein. In fact, most is the only part of the virus that they have.

(*) almost all, but there are a few exceptions, but I think they are still not approved - the ones that don't contain the spike protein -.

Incredible to read that.

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Well if you don't like teeth pics, how about my underwear? :lol:
(I feel a ban coming.....)

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Posting your underwear....well, if that gets you banned, you probably should either go shopping or do laundry.

By the way, I have no idea what Usaians means. Apparently, spell check doesn't know, either....but Google does. I've never heard that word. Makes sense, though. American isn't a suitable word, since that would technically cover everybody from two continents.

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not sure. here we need to prove everything, while u dont.

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They feel they don't need to prove anything, but at the same time they believe that they have the right to force the vaccine to you.

Those crazy nazis...

Shaggy,
thats what they say in https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5

look for: Prof. Alexandra Henrion-Caude (Geneticist and RNA Expert)
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-79-en:e

and she is explaining it better.
and she is not saying it need to be like that, but theres too little data that say otherwise.
she is concerned that theres no enough studies and that "it could" affect the cells.

a lot of the people in those videos are not saying "I know everything", they are just sharing their studies and discoveries. some are more data-oriented, objective, some more subjective on different subjects. but still share in a quite professional way.

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I didn't knew that you had so little knowledge about vaccines.

Most vaccines (*) have the spike protein. In fact, most is the only part of the virus that they have.

(*) almost all, but there are a few exceptions, but I think they are still not approved - the ones that don't contain the spike protein -.

Incredible to read that.

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As far as I know, NONE of the vaccines have the spike protein. All they have is a means to make the spike protein. That may not be true, though. If any of the vaccines use killed COVID, they would have the spike protein. That wouldn't be the mRNA vaccines, or the adenovirus vaccines. Those are carrying the mRNA to make the spike protein, but not carrying the spike protein itself.

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Will certainly do so. They won't be videos, though.

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I never saw you backed anything with a scientific paper so far.
I never saw you backed anything with nothing actually.

Now you'll do so.
OK, I take your word, do it if you want.

I'm not saying the same, I'll back it with whatever I think is normal for people that if are really interested check further.

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Shaggy,
thats what they say in https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5

look for: Prof. Alexandra Henrion-Caude (Geneticist and RNA Expert)
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...ession-79-en:e

and she is explaining it better.
and she is not saying it need to be like that, but theres too little data that say otherwise.
she is concerned that theres no enough studies and that "it could" affect the cells.

a lot of the people in those videos are not saying "I know everything", they are just sharing their studies and discoveries. some are more data-oriented, objective, some more subjective on different subjects. but still share in a quite professional way.

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And still videos. Could you find some papers? That may be old school, but I can still read scientific papers faster than sitting through videos.

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Yeah, I agree. It goes beyond that, too. Earlier in my career, I worked a job where we hired people who either couldn't, or didn't want to, get a real job. It started with the 'didn't want to', and there were still a fair number of them. Before my time, we would hire people in the fall for a couple weeks, so we ended up with housewives looking for a bit of cash for Christmas. The fact that it was a very temporary job was the appeal.

By the time I was working there, the window where the work was happening was a bit larger, but had shifted to the spring and then again in mid-summer. It was still only a few weeks, not necessarily 40/week even then, didn't pay well, and required standing in one spot pretty much all day with your hands in cold water (and it could be REALLY cold, like below freezing). The only benefit was some travel, and meals were provided.

Who would take such a job? It ended up being a mix of the same as before along with people from an area where nobody had dreams. Their opportunities really sucked so long as they remained in that valley, but so few of them seemed to even realize there were opportunities all over, so long as they moved.

It's not exactly the same as spending your life focused on a sports team, of course, but it's the same principle: A group of people whose lives are constrained by a lack of vision and endeavor, not a lack of opportunity.

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Yep. This is pretty much what I'm talking about. I bet these same people spend an unhealthy amount of time studying the latest gossip instead of something useful. Yea. I know these types. It's the same principle.

this one is a bit long 5½ hours, but its divided into parts,
I found a few parts interesting,
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investiga...88-en-online:3

the first part is all data. a doctor showing a lot of different cases of people that died from the vaccine.
we see pictures, compare with normal vs tissues that where altered because of the vaccination.

quite interesting. and of course, a lot is, not just the first part.


Shaggy.
its hard to find "papers", that usually means you are part in a study, mostly in the university.
this is fresh discoveries that, Im sure theres some documents, but maybe in german, or whatever that doctor has in his journal. that is why we have so much videos, since its mostly interviews.
Im sure that in a few years we will get more documents to read.

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Yes, most.

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All they have is a means to make the spike protein.

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Yes, the mRNA ones do that. It is the same, they produce the spike proteins. It is like an inverted model. Your objection is semantic.

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If any of the vaccines use killed COVID, they would have the spike protein.

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Of course all inactive virus vaccines have it.

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That wouldn't be the mRNA vaccines

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No, in this case the spike protein is produced by your body, they have coded the instructions to produce it.
But at the end it is exactly the same. The spike protein will be in your body.
It doesn't matter the mechanism. The information of the spike protein is in the vaccine.
It is codified we could say.

Suppose you send a zip file containing a picture file inside.
If you say that the zip file contains a picture file you are right.
If you say that the zip file does not contain a picture file, you are also right, because to get the picture file, you fist need to recompose it.

The same with nRNA vaccines, the information for the spike protein is there. The spike protein itself is composed later.

But yes, these vaccines work with the spike protein, that was the point. How they carry it to your body is a subtlety.

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Yes, they also have the spike protein too.
As I said: most do.

Just stumbled onto this gem:-
https://thepostmillennial.com/teache...ng-student-cat

More mainstream madness. I don't know how true that story is but given the degeneracy I see promoted in the American mainstream media, I'm inclined to believe this woman's story. How do you Americans put up with this nonsense?

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And still videos. Could you find some papers? That may be old school, but I can still read scientific papers faster than sitting through videos.

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baka, the next time he ask you for a paper, ask him for the components and formula of the vaccines he got shot.

Or give him the scientific paper.
If you don't find it, I'm quite sure whatever scientific paper that you find will serve (about something else). I guess he doesn't know how to start with a scientific paper.

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baka, the next time he ask you for a paper, ask him for the components and formula of the vaccines he got shot.

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Why would I have that? Baka is talking about professors and doctors posting videos of their findings. If they are posting videos, they DO have papers on the subject, so the ask isn't unreasonable.

There are now 125 pages of content. Searching through them looking at posts is...not going to happen to any rigorous degree. If you ignore any posts prior to the advent of vaccines (nobody was really discussing whether or not they worked when they didn't exist), I looked through a handful of pages. The bulk of posts from everybody are posts for which no citation makes sense (off topic, opinions, or just discussing what their country is doing at the moment). For those, I was in the middle. I linked to reasonably reputable sources when it was appropriate, but those sources were ones that could easily be disregarded. The subjects weren't scientific anyways, so there wouldn't have been any scientific papers.

But you may be right. I remember some discussion, which I think you started, about the mechanism of adenovirus. I went looking for that, but whether or not I cited what I found, I can't say (and I didn't go looking for those posts, either). Perhaps we can all do a better job of it.

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Or give him the scientific paper.
If you don't find it, I'm quite sure whatever scientific paper that you find will serve (about something else). I guess he doesn't know how to start with a scientific paper.

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So, you're back to petty insults?

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Just stumbled onto this gem:-
https://thepostmillennial.com/teache...ng-student-cat

More mainstream madness. I don't know how true that story is but given the degeneracy I see promoted in the American mainstream media, I'm inclined to believe this woman's story. How do you Americans put up with this nonsense?

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Funky is the official fact checker, he will tell you whether it is true or fake soon. Be confident.

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So, you're back to petty insults?

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Oh, you got offended now?
So sensitive...

Demanding papers for every single thing.
News also need scientific papers for you?

Im also thinking that, this is quite fresh.
a paper takes minimum 6 months, to even be worth reading it.
I have done papers myself when I was in the university. and 6 months is the bare minimum.

this covid situation is right now, and if we believe the people in those interview, they claim that are behind forced to follow procedures, some getting fired, etc. it takes time to even come up with the idea, I will make a study. and its not a simple matter. a study takes time.

but now it seems people are more organized, better communications, they are setting up teams.
in one of the latest video, we get some data, charts etc, from a study that the team-leader said was around 1 years time. they have categorize the vaccination in batch-number. to see if there was any difference in "reaction" between different batches. and the result was very odd, some resulted in very low (like seasonal flu-reactions) like 10-20 cases to some batches resulted in 600+ cases of severe reactions.
and the study was not even done. they talked about differentiate it even more, so Im sure they will work a bit more before showing the final result. anyway, I think its not that easy to present with papers at this stage, since everything is still in progress. that is why we have interview, to get updates. they also help each other, with ideas and connections.

PS: and as I said, if you are so demanding, start by providing the scientific paper of how is made the Pfizer vaccine that you are defending with your heart.

The truth is that you are lazy to check the things for yourself, and that's why you are so demanding with others.

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Shaggy.
its hard to find "papers", that usually means you are part in a study, mostly in the university.
this is fresh discoveries that, Im sure theres some documents, but maybe in german, or whatever that doctor has in his journal. that is why we have so much videos, since its mostly interviews.
Im sure that in a few years we will get more documents to read.

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Yeah, though papers are coming out faster, these days. If you find any, I'd like to see them. I don't speak German, but they do tend to get translated to English awfully fast, these days.

Back when AIDS first showed up, there was a doctor who was kind of an expert on viruses like the HIV virus. I forget who it was. Some of you may remember, and I could probably figure it out with a bit or research, but it barely matters. His point was that he was adamant that HIV was not related to AIDS. The consensus was against him, and eventually he was proven wrong, but for several years he provided weight for the anti-HIV group.

The point is that there will be disagreements. Occasionally, the minority view will be proven to have been correct in the end, but usually not. In this case, supporters of the minority view aren't just saying that the majority is wrong, but that they are either part of, or pawns of, some grand conspiracy to convince people of what they are saying.

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Why would I have that? Baka is talking about professors and doctors posting videos of their findings. If they are posting videos, they DO have papers on the subject, so the ask isn't unreasonable.

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OK, sorry if I misunderstood.
But you asked about scientific papers in a message to me.

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There are now 125 pages of content. Searching through them looking at posts is...not going to happen to any rigorous degree. If you ignore any posts prior to the advent of vaccines (nobody was really discussing whether or not they worked when they didn't exist), I looked through a handful of pages. The bulk of posts from everybody are posts for which no citation makes sense (off topic, opinions, or just discussing what their country is doing at the moment). For those, I was in the middle. I linked to reasonably reputable sources when it was appropriate, but those sources were ones that could easily be disregarded. The subjects weren't scientific anyways, so there wouldn't have been any scientific papers.

But you may be right. I remember some discussion, which I think you started, about the mechanism of adenovirus. I went looking for that, but whether or not I cited what I found, I can't say (and I didn't go looking for those posts, either). Perhaps we can all do a better job of it.

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The point is that we are spending lot of time here. Providing scientific paper (that the other one won't read anyway, since don't want to watch to short videos either) would take a lot of more time.

When a conversation is friendly, and I see the other person genuinely interested, I can go for the scientific papers and more. But if that is an excuse to disregard the information I post, not. Go and find the paper yourself. I don't have time for those games.
A scientific paper won't change your mind anyway, you already have chosen what you want to believe.

But yes, with pure scientific information, and more when the source is "not very reliable", to go personally and look for a scientific backup information is what should be done.
I mean personally, not to demand that form others.

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Oh, you got offended now?
So sensitive...

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No, not particularly. It's just usually the last resort of the desperate to start slinging insults. You've largely refrained from that in the past, so why go there now?

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Demanding papers for every single thing.
News also need scientific papers for you?

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No, just for the factual claims. Opinions don't need citations. News can be cited, and often is in this thread.

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Funky is the official fact checker, he will tell you whether it is true or fake soon. Be confident.

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0_0 I'm not touching that argument lol...imma sit on the sidelines for this one ;)

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The point is that we are spending lot of time here. Providing scientific paper (that the other one won't read anyway, since don't want to watch to short videos either) would take a lot of more time.

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I would read them. When you get a scientific paper, you first read the abstract. Abstracts should be brief summaries of the contents of the paper. If you find anything in there that you want to know more about, then you read the results section and possibly the introduction. The introduction will tend to have citations, more so than any other part of the paper, so that could be an area to lead to further study. You only read the methods if you want to reproduce the study, or if you were wondering how they accomplished some part.

for papers, I haven't really looked if I can find anything.
I have mostly watched videos, I found it interesting to follow the discussions.
I will keep that in mind the next video I watch, if they say something. from time to time I hear them say, you can get this data "here", but I never write it down.

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PS: and as I said, if you are so demanding, start by providing the scientific paper of how is made the Pfizer vaccine that you are defending with your heart.

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There isn't such a paper, or at least not one available. The last time I looked, it was still considered a trade secret. The details have been provided to the US FDA, but not yet made public. The general mechanism is published, but as far as I can tell, only in gray literature.

Here's a bit of the gray literature that includes what is found in the Pfizer vaccine (I didn't realize it had a name...but it's a stupid name), but not on how it is manufactured:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-BioNTech.html