Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

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This whole brainwashing us with the American Dream, meh. The fact that companies do their best to sell us things isn't a secret, it's done openly. They don't exist for our benefit, they exist to make a profit.

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That's only part of the picture which by itself isn't very impressive or eye opening. These things I speak of are realizations that stretch back over a decade for me. I cannot possibly cover 10 years worth of lessons, observations, research, introspection and eureka moments in just a few posts. There is just way too much to cover. All I can say is that some people eventually start to get it and some people are content accepting the delusions until they die. Neither choice is good or bad. It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

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You can listen to the late George Carlin or interviews of boxer-turned-business man Andrew Tate. They don't come close to covering everything but they do a far better job of explaining some of the things I'm talking about better than I ever could.

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All I can say is that some people eventually start to get it and some people are content accepting the delusions until they die. Neither choice is good or bad. It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

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Another person who thinks people are ignorant or delusional if they disagree with their perception of the world. Considering the array of different perceptions that have been posted how are we going to know who really broke the code. lol

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Another person who thinks people are ignorant or delusional if they disagree with their perception of the world. Considering the array of different perceptions that have been posted how are we going to know who really broke the code. lol

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Look, either someone gets it or they don't. I'm not looking for converts. I'm happy to debate over bitwise operators in a programming language or VB6 vs VB.Net till I'm blue in the face but I have no desire to try help people understand how the world really works. This is a very personal thing and each man must decide for himself whether he wants to seek it for himself or just accept what everyone around him has told him is true.

I'm not looking for any drama over this. I'm just sharing my thoughts here. Make of them what you will ;)

I'd say that if you are happy, then that's good enough. Life doesn't owe you anything, nor do you owe life.

My grandmother lived a tough life, but she was a very cheerful person while I knew her, right up until she died a few months after her 100th birthday. She didn't live a life that really justified that cheer, but she sure had it. I've got her letters. They're more than a little tedious to read. Perhaps there was a time when she wasn't putting a happy face on everything, but I don't know about it.

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I'd say that if you are happy, then that's good enough.

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Yep. There are plenty of people that are happy while barely making ends meet. They are fine not knowing the real reason they are struggling so hard. They wouldn't want to listen even if you were willing to tell them.

I've learned the hard way that you should never try to help people who don't want it. If they are happy living the way they are, then leave them to it. But DO NOT EVER complain to me about it. I will pretend I didn't hear you and quickly change the subject. If you want to sit around the block and smoke weed all day and fill your mind with garbage, don't complain to me about being broke. Just be happy with the consequences of your choices. If your greatest ambition is to work minimum wage all your life, don't complain to me that your life is falling apart because you're constantly short of money to pay rent and bills. Whenever you try to help these people, they hit you with statements not unlike what wes4dbt posted above or they tell you some garbage like "You can't tell me how to live".....I just blank out my mind now when people start complaining about their problems because half the time they could solve it on their own if they were just willing to wake up. Most people walk through life asleep.

I want to offer an apology for implying that the ones that didn't see what others think are seeing are less intelligent or something like that.
Sometimes I get bothered with some messages and answer a bit emotionally.

Not long ago (some months) I had a conversation with someone that send a video to a Whatsapp group about the "Plandemic" and the video talked about the vaccines and 5G and said that the vaccines had graphene oxide and other things like that, showing people that put spoons in the arm and they stayed, perhaps you saw it.
I talked in private and said basically that all that was b#llsh#t.
And it was, but unfortunately things like that made many people skeptic about any idea that something else may be going on.

Another thing is that many people are frightened just about thinking in the possibility that there are some things they depend on and are far way of their control.
And I think they are intelligent enough to realize that they are... but do not want to even think about that issue.

So it is not about intelligence.

I was at a wedding reception back in grad school where I think there's a picture of a whole bunch of us hanging spoons from our noses. I wonder if that's the same trick? I don't remember how it's done. It has something to do with the friction being just right, but it's possible.

For anybody who has never seen that...as it turns out, you can Google Hanging a Spoon From Your Nose...of COURSE the web provides. I don't know why I even doubted it. Got a video as the top hit in Chrome on that one.

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Another thing is that many people are frightened just about thinking in the possibility that there are some things they depend on and are far way of their control.
And I think they are intelligent enough to realize that they are... but do not want to even think about that issue.

So it is not about intelligence.

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Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

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Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

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That was exactly what I was talking about.
And it is increasing, with AI, etc.

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Look, either someone gets it or they don't. I'm not looking for converts. I'm happy to debate over bitwise operators in a programming language or VB6 vs VB.Net till I'm blue in the face but I have no desire to try help people understand how the world really works. This is a very personal thing and each man must decide for himself whether he wants to seek it for himself or just accept what everyone around him has told him is true.

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It's not what you believe in but thinking that those that don't agree with you are flawed, they are delusional or they "just accept what everyone around him has told him is true" or don't "get it".

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Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

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Now how am I going to be able to sleep. It's time to become a prepper. I'll start on the bunker tomorrow. This may be a problem, I live in a condo.

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It's not what you believe in but thinking that those that don't agree with you are flawed, they are delusional or they "just accept what everyone around him has told him is true" or don't "get it".

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I am always very quick to admit when I fall short or that I don't know everything. However, this is one of the very few things where I can say with full confidence that I know that I'm right. It's just too obvious to me at this point in my life and it took a long long time for me to get here and I've paid for some of the things I learned in life with pain, heartbreak, disappointment and fear. But like I said, I'm not looking for converts. A person's worldview is a very personal thing and I don't feel like I should try to convince anybody to change theirs. Everyone's life experience and disposition will tell them something different but there can only be one truth in the end.

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A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

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I've reflected on this many times and I find this very frightening. So many of the simple things we take for granted in our everyday life cannot be created without a massive world-wide chain of expertise and resources. This chain of dependency is extremely fragile, if one link gets disrupted, the consequences can be catastrophic. Think of all the chaos there was over the chip shortage. It disrupted so many industries.

When I woke up, I was worried that I might have spawned a maelstrom, but after reading all the overnight posts, I'm pleased to see that there are some good discussions happening.

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(Logical? More than logical.)

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I probably should have said that I don't think it's a solution to "many external problems" instead of "any problem". I think prayer is very useful as a personal mental tool for reflection, understanding, empathy, etc...much like meditation and other personal mental activities. What I meant by "not logical" was that I think it is illogical to think that prayer could directly affect the "real" world.

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That reference was intended more as an example, taken from the video itself.
Of course everyone must do something where each one lives.

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Understood, and agreed.

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I'm not anti-vaccine, that protest is not anti-vaccine, it is anti-mandate.

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I get that too, and I am against mandates in most situations. I am also OK with mandates in some rare situations.

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Quite hard, to reach a larger group of people:
- when the "mainstream-media" doesn't invite you to TV-talkshows etc.
- and when the big corporate social-platforms cancel your content

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Personally, I wouldn't want to be any part of the mainstream media talkshows or platforms unless I was trying to sell something to mainstream media and talk show viewers. There's a vanishingly small chance of changing anyone's mind there.

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And of course, as long as people believe, that corporate-managed Cancel-Culture doesn't even exist -
where is the point in "trying to provide avenues" to them, when already the "attempt at talking" (about avenues) is cancelled?...

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I don't know if it's a "Cancel-Culture" (I kinda hate that term) insomuch as it is "If you're not making us buckets of money, then you're gone" situation. And all mainstream media has has stratified into niche's that they know they can cater to - and profit off of - effectively. I don't watch much TV anymore, but it blew my mind when I turned on a specialty channel on my parents' TV a few years back and they were playing an episode of a show that I saw a decade prior back when I had cable TV. At first I was thinking "what are the odds", and then I noticed the channel was basically playing the same old crap with new ads in between.

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What's more is, that *due* to that cancelling, the official channels already made it quite clear to "Joe Doe",
that "listening to you, will get you in trouble" (and Joe Doe doesn't want any trouble).

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I don't really blame "Joe Doe" for not wanting trouble. Most people don't want trouble, and I think that's a good thing in general. Can you imagine what the world would be like if everyone wanted to be Genghis Khan? So regular "Joes" are OK in my book. They are the people, families, etc.. that make society work, and I think a working/functional society is a good thing. Should the average Joe be madder about the current state of the world? I think so, and I think many are "waking up" to the reality that they are being absolutely squeezed by a few handfuls of billionaires/trillionaires. But I think the debate & politicization of vaccine's is a canard. IMO the powers that be are pushing the vaccine because they think it will get things back to the old status quo.

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I probably should have said that I don't think it's a solution to "many external problems" instead of "any problem". I think prayer is very useful as a personal mental tool for reflection, understanding, empathy, etc...much like meditation and other personal mental activities.

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That's not what it is for, at all.

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What I meant by "not logical" was that I think it is illogical to think that prayer could directly affect the "real" world.

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Yes, it totally does, as long as you do it "right".

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That's not what it is for, at all.

Yes, it totally does, as long as you do it "right".

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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

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I'm saying that because you asked. Not because I'm looking for someone to agree (or disagree).
I don't care about people's opinions on this matter.

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It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

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Those two points rang a bell with me. Living with your decisions is important. I made plenty of bad ones and I am content with where I am. How the world really works...I'd like to meet the person(s) that know that. I'm willing to bet they are wrong.

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I don't watch much TV anymore, but it blew my mind when I turned on a specialty channel on my parents' TV a few years back and they were playing an episode of a show that I saw a decade prior back when I had cable TV. At first I was thinking "what are the odds", and then I noticed the channel was basically playing the same old crap with new ads in between.

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That remined me of the movie "Crocodile Dundee". He was in New York and there was a TV set there in the room. He said something like "Oh yeah - I saw one years ago at Wally's. He turned it on and "I love Lucy" was on. He said, "yeah, that's what I saw".

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no the health agencies told you that the vaccine will protect you against death or severe illness.
but only for the strains it was made for.
so alpha/delta.

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Well not ours. We have pretty good data to state that the vaccines will protect us against death or severe illness for Omicron, as well as alpha, delta, and the others.

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but omicron, its worthless. theres no data or indication that the vaccine will protect you at all.
if you have such data, please show that.

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Ok, here's one from the New England Journal of Medicine, a pretty widely respected organization:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270

Here's a more secondary source from the US National Institute of Health (but it links to the sources it cites):

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/1...ne-protection/

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I've reflected on this many times and I find this very frightening. So many of the simple things we take for granted in our everyday life cannot be created without a massive world-wide chain of expertise and resources. This chain of dependency is extremely fragile, if one link gets disrupted, the consequences can be catastrophic. Think of all the chaos there was over the chip shortage. It disrupted so many industries.

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It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

An speaking about intelligence :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-h_MPnqTww

At first, I was just going to admit that I have roughly the same response to food...but then I noticed some suspicious horns in there. They've got some undercover agents butting in.

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How the world really works...I'd like to meet the person(s) that know that. I'm willing to bet they are wrong.

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I'm not talking about philosophical stuff like are why are we here or does bigfoot exist, nor am I talking about the unknown secrets of our planet. I'm talking about more practical stuff. I'm talking about societies of humans. Super successful people generally know how the world works. They don't know everything, no one does, but they do understand the important stuff like how money really works, how to weaponize the law for their benefit and how to side step common laws that most of us can't. For examples of this, look up how rich people deal with taxes. That stuff will blow your mind how much the system is set up for you to succeed as long as you "know the rules". Again, look at the 2008 financial crisis. A lot of the entities that orchestrated the whole thing and those that were complicit actually became more wealthy. These were massive crimes, yet they got away with it. You cannot do stuff like this without knowing what levers to pull and what buttons to push. If we did some of the stuff they did with the CDOs and such, we'd be in jail for fraud but what happened to them? They got huge bail outs. They were paid for their crimes! Do you think that was by accident? No. These people knew how to play the game. They have a far better understanding of how the world works than the rest of us which is why they are able to do these things.

Why are cigarettes not illegal despite the fact that everyone knows exactly how dangerous they are? That's another one. How did big tobacco companies pull that off? I bet there are some interesting lessons there.

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It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

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Yeah the older you get there are other things more worrying than climate change or a collapse or the fall of democracy. Lol Still, I do have grand kids and great grand kids that might get caught in it.

The innovation path to sustainability seems to be working so far. It just gives me an uneasy feeling, what if ???? can't be solved. Converting to only sustainable resources, trying to stop climate change sound great but is it even possible. Beside if it means voluntarily taking a step backwards I don't see it happening.

well that data is not "really" unbiased. its from the vaccine manufacturers.
also, the diagram are from before omicron really started to spread.

we will know more about omicron in a few months, since the data is just starting to show.
and will take time to create good correlations to see. what is caused by omicron, what is caused by other stuff,
also delta is still here.

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10,403 new COVID-19 cases in Louisiana with 11 deaths. The 7 day rolling average death rate is now 0.1%.

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The average daily case rate has rose from @ 160K to @ 550K in the last two weeks. So far the daily death numbers haven't changed much. In a couple of weeks the hospitalizations and deaths from O should be easy to see.

All we can do is hope for the best.

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Why are cigarettes not illegal despite the fact that everyone knows exactly how dangerous they are? That's another one. How did big tobacco companies pull that off? I bet there are some interesting lessons there.

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I think they were mostly just fortunate. They might have been made illegal in the US if the extent of the damage that smoking does was recognized prior to US prohibition. Once we failed so spectacularly to outlaw alcohol...have we tried to make any other legal drug illegal since then? It seems like the line between legal and illegal drugs has remained largely static since that time, with the recent exception of the increasing legalization of pot. In short, we're probably moving more towards making fewer drugs illegal, not more, and largely because we recognize the pure futility of the 'war on drugs'.

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I was at a wedding reception back in grad school where I think there's a picture of a whole bunch of us hanging spoons from our noses. I wonder if that's the same trick? I don't remember how it's done. It has something to do with the friction being just right, but it's possible.

For anybody who has never seen that...as it turns out you can Google Hanging a Spoon From Your Nose...of COURSE the web provides. I don't know why I even doubted it. Got a video as the top hit in Chrome on that one.

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A Ohio law maker that was against vaccinations was saying they magnetized you. She tried it in session, not grad school, and made Ohio look ridiculous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=2309fef92a34

So they are the people in charge of the pandemic :rolleyes:

That link has an ad blocker. If you want see just goggle something like "Ohio lawmaker makes keys stick". She did on TV and was panned across the nation. Or you can use Google Chrome incognito window

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It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

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I really enjoyed that post and it did get me thinking...

But the 14th century technology? I'm thinking we fought world war I with the basic the resources carved right out out the earth. The U.S. was founded in the early 18th? Don't know.

You really gave me an eye opener though.

It also reminded me of the movie "Back To The Future III". He arrived in the old west in Nike shoes and the farmer asked him "what animal are those from?".

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I think they were mostly just fortunate. They might have been made illegal in the US if the extent of the damage that smoking does was recognized prior to US prohibition.

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Oh I'm not so sure I want to believe this. I've started to realize that one of the biggest difference between the movers and shakers of the world and us ordinary peons is that us ordinary folk live life reactively. We wait for stuff to happen to us and then react to it. We live by the rules that were set by others. The players at the top of business and government, they don't. They make things happen. They don't wait to react. They push for how they want things to be. As such I don't think big tobacco simply sat back and prayed to be fortunate. I don't for one second believe that these folks didn't spend, lobby, beg ,blackmail, bribe or perhaps even kill in order to make this happen.

I can't really say exactly how they did it. I don't know and I'm not sure anyone today even knows but I will safety bet my life that cigarettes not being illegal was a planned outcome, not purely a product of random chance. There is no doubt in my mind that even if the dangers of cigarettes were known before US prohibition, they would have still succeeded in making it legal. Rich and powerful people do not become rich and powerful by waiting for stuff to happen or praying to get lucky. They get rich by being proactive and very tenacious in their attitude when in pursuit of their goals.

We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

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We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

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As long as you don't start getting the urge to swim up stream I think you'll be Ok. But you do have a good start on a magic act, get that spoon to stick to your nose and you'll be ready for Vegas.

Good point...I agree.

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We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

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Maybe because you have an "attractive" personality. Or the "irony" of some of your posts.

Those two are mine:

Then I googled:

https://upjoke.com/magnet-jokes

OK,
Since we are talking nonsense here, here is my nonsense of the day.
Run to the hills bass attempt sample.
No metronome and with a pickup, ouch!

https://files.fm/u/964w4th4r

Believe me you don't want to hear the fingers version :cry:
(how the heck?I mean 2 fingers?3 fingers maybe but 2?)

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

I'm saying that because you asked. Not because I'm looking for someone to agree (or disagree).
I don't care about people's opinions on this matter.

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OK good, there's been more than enough arguing, fighting, murder, and war about the right way to pray already, so let's move on.

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Originally Posted by TysonLPrice

That remined me of the movie "Crocodile Dundee". He was in New York and there was a TV set there in the room. He said something like "Oh yeah - I saw one years ago at Wally's. He turned it on and "I love Lucy" was on. He said, "yeah, that's what I saw".

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LOL! It was something like that expect with a bit less humour and a bit more stunned realization.

Anyway, this seems about as good a time as any for me to unsubscribe from this thread as it has been eating away at me a bit too much at me lately. I hope you all stay safe, make it through this wild and crazy time, and go on to live long and happy lives. Good luck to everyone here. We'll meet again back on the technical side of the forum. Auf Wiedersehen und gute Nacht.

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Originally Posted by jpbro

OK good, there's been more than enough arguing, fighting, murder, and war about the right way to pray already, so let's move on.

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On these things you can have someone like Dr. Malone (a metaphor) and people like the ones with "tin foil hat on their heads" (another metaphor). And the "mainstream media" saying nonsense (also a metaphor).
No question that few people are interested. It is how the world works. It makes difficult to know the truth about important things.
But the real point is that few people are interested in knowing, otherwise they would try to research a bit (or at least not pretend to argue with Dr. Malone as if they are on par).
What would Dr. Malone say? "Good bye, nice to meet you".

the thing is that our government want the group they call "anti-vaxxers" to exist.
they use it to blame someone instead of their own incompetence, corruption and greed.

we all know, in all western countries theres this issue with old population and health care, and elderly care.
this is facts. economist have made the calculations, theres not enough money and I don't mean just a few coins, its enormous. and they predict when in the future theres this impossible budget will occur, and its not far away.

if you failed to see the last decade all the problems we have with the economy that are about to collapse it will be harder to make a connection on whats going on right now.

anyway, my government uses the anti-vaxxers to blame everything. even if we are almost 90% vaccinated, it seems, its not enough.
while blaming the non-vaccinated, they change the laws on about everything, censor the internet, restrict your movement, feeding the market with enormous loans so it will not collapse.
but the most important thing they don't do: protect the elderly and the people with risk factors.
at this right moment, those people are dying the most, just yesterday they wrote about an outbreak in an elderly home. even if all are fully vaccinated, they got sick and a lot died.

and why should they protect them at all? spending money on old people are not giving them money back. instead they create an pandemic that will be all about the industry. spending money on that,
even so, a lot of companies last year did very well, the market is blooming during the pandemic. all those loans to make the market happy. instead of using that money on the most important thing, the weak and old.

in the same time, after all those rich people got richer, its soon time to pay back those loans, with increased taxes on everything. now its time to pay back.
I did get nothing from this. I didnt earn 1$. but lots of people in high positions got bonuses and increase salaries. but what I got is, 9 times higher electricity costs, gas that is now reaching new records, everything cost more.

this while the government is blaming the anti-vaxxers and what do the majority of people? they do exactly this, they blame the anti-vaxxers. failing to see the big picture.
sure, theres a lot of anti-vaxxers that is all about the vaccine, but for me its about the corruption. I don't want to feed it. for me, this is my stand.

people are indeed to blame, they are easily fooled and they do warfare and commit crimes easily with just the right push.

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Originally Posted by sapator

OK,
Since we are talking nonsense here, here is my nonsense of the day.
Run to the hills bass attempt sample.
No metronome and with a pickup, ouch!


Believe me you don't want to hear the fingers version :cry:
(how the heck?I mean 2 fingers?3 fingers maybe but 2?)

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About doggone time that you said something that made sense to me!

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Originally Posted by baka

we all know, in all western countries theres this issue with old population and health care, and elderly care.
this is facts. economist have made the calculations, theres not enough money and I don't mean just a few coins, its enormous. and they predict when in the future theres this impossible budget will occur, and its not far away.

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I don't know which country you are talking from, but that's not really the case in the US. After all, we aren't that generous with health care or elder care. We could handle our obligations without much difficulty, since we didn't oblige ourselves to much.

50.000 cases 50 deaths today. We never had that number, even last year that vax and non vax where together flowering the roads.Now non vax are at home.
From those 1 death is from Omicron. At least what they claim. So now vaccines, do nothing for infections, if the numbers are correct they may even boost infections (I posted an article from Germany institute a couple of pages ago that show that after 4-5 months the curve of immunization may go negative, so don't take it on me, take it on them).
Personnel of the 2 biggest hospitals in Greece in Athens and Salonika have cases between 50 and 70%. They are all fully vaccinated and the non vax are on suspension from September.
Instead of re-estating the unvaccinated to help the system, they are looking at hiring people from the private sector. Their obsession and idiocy is peaking.
Also, lol, that was a good one. They made all the football fans to go vaccinate in order to watch a game, now they gave out a 1.000 max fans per game policy. The fans are running wild protesting.You should have known better.

I'm also thinking of talking about Jocovits but it's a cross continental issues so I'm currently holding back.

(Vaccination is good for you.
Eugene H. Krabs)

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So now vaccines, do nothing for infections, if the numbers are correct they may even boost infections (I posted an article from Germany institute a couple of pages ago that show that after 4-5 months the curve of immunization may go negative, so don't take it on me, take it on them).

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I don't know which study that article is about but I've seen a couple of those articles recently, I've also seen articles saying that vaccines may have negative effectiveness is a misrepresentation of the data. I'm not going to argue over who's right. It does seem clear that Omicron it more effective at evading the vaccine. So far the vaccine seems to provide protection against the severity of the infection. But I don't think that Omicron has been around long enough for reliable hospital/death protection data. But at the current infection rates lets hope that Omicron is magnitudes less deadly. 50% less deadly is not enough to keep the deaths from raising dramatically.

Here we have no lockdowns. The unvaccinated are not at home. And if we're going to have 70,000 vaccinated go to football games, 10,000 going to basketball games then why waste our time even considering lockdowns.

So I'll stay calm, stick to my "wait and see" approach (No SH, not wait at sea) and hope for the best.

I think is 70 to 80% less deadly, if I am not mistaken but anyhow, right now we are on a waiting stage as you've said.

I think its like
delta 0.3-0.6
omicron 0.03-0.06

but as you say, its too early to say anything definitive.
right now, most death are still delta or a combination of both or a combination of other viruses and illness.

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Per the BBC


What incentive is there for a young, healthy person like myself to get the vaccine if Australia has a 90% compliance rate but is simultaneously "in the depths of its worst Covid-19 wave yet"?

It is hard for me to take seriously that vaccines are working when the corporate media will in one side of its mouth say that the vaccine works but on the other side say that highly vaccinated countries are experiencing the worst waves they've experienced.

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This seems to be a common justification. But it ignores the vaccine effectiveness prior to Omicron, the effectiveness on the severity and ignores the fact that young healthy people can die from Covid. Personally I don't care if you want to risk your life. But to act like there isn't any reason to get vaccinated if your young and healthy isn't true. IMO

Now if it turns out Omicron truly is less severe then there will be less reason for the young and healthy to get vaccinate but we're not sure of that yet.

Corporate media will say what they pay them to say.
The problem is elsewhere IMHO.
If,if, omicron prove to be like a common cold, what will happen with the pre ordered vaccines?
What I'm thinking is they will either have pre bought aka paid, so the vaccines will just rot and buried in Africa as usual or they haven't pre paid, so ,hmmm, if the med corps haven't been blood thirsty for money enough...
The second outcome is most intriguing for me, I don't hope it to be true but I would like to be in a position to sit on a spot and see how would that be going.

P.S. IMHO, for vaxbie wannabees there no reason to vaccinate immediately. The data is coming fast so just hold your breath.

I got sick, 10 months ago.
10 days, low fever, some muscle pain, not coughing but I felt a bit sore my lungs when I did deep breathing.
after that I felt really good. its like it was a "reset", and I felt more energetic.
so, after that I have not been sick one day.
and the influenza and other viruses are going around, people are sick around me, both influenza and covid, but Im still not getting any of it.

but sure, this summer I started with cold showers and breath technics, so that gives me a boost of immune protection as well.

I have not taken any vaccine, and I will not. my immune system is better than 2 doses. and why should I inject a vaccine into my body that will destroy the harmony of my own immune system and also, to protect me against the weaker version omicron? if I survived without any problems alpha/delta, I can survive a 10 times weaker version of it.

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You may not care, but politicians in cities across the country certainly do care. I am more concerned about authoritarian measures like vaccine mandates than I am dying from this virus.

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If you want to risk your life over mandates, fine with me. But that's a different justification.

u take risks everyday.
its part of life.

its also a risk to take the vaccine. people have died from it or getting severe reaction.
theres athletes that got cardiac arrest. one here where I live, 23 years old, died during a run.

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Originally Posted by baka

u take risks everyday.
its part of life.

its also a risk to take the vaccine. people have died from it or getting severe reaction.
theres athletes that got cardiac arrest. one here where I live, 23 years old, died during a run.

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Why do you point out one death you say is from the vaccine, are you saying it's more dangerous to get vaccinated than not to? Do you think it's even a close comparison? You didn't post just to tell me life is full of risks.

yes. a fully healthy young person do take risks.

from start scientist had said, younger should take it to protect the old and weak. not because they risk to die.
of course they change the narrative all the time, to scare u, to force u into submission. but facts is, its not dangerous to a person that is healthy.

I got sick, I know friends that got sick and its not that severe. theres other diseases that are worse.

if the old and weak gets the vaccine, why do I need to take it, if the narrative is: do not spread it.
does it mean it doesn't work? since if I need to take it to protect a vaccinated person?

well, Im now immune, my antibodies is x27 times better than a vaccinated person. so in reality Im much better to have around then a vaccinated person.
so, the best course of action is:

- protect the old and weak, give them vaccines and medicines that works.
- let the healthy population get sick

but we have a number of unhealthy persons that get sick that didnt take the vaccine. and we also have many older and weaker that did take 1,2 and even 3 shots and got sick and died.
you are unhealthy if you are obese, if you smoke, if you eat bad food all the time.

why do I need to be punished because people are living unhealthy lives?
and why do I need to be punished because big pharma wants to sell vaccines and the narrative is: u need to protect the old and weak.

I demand the government to protect the old and weak and instruct the unhealthy people to be healthy.
now they do a collective punishment and create mass hysteria and create a totalitarian regime.

and.. its not one death. a lot of athletes got heart problems. and the same the young men population. and this is facts, you can read it in "propaganda media".

and here, the latest news where I live
https://newsbeezer.com/swedeneng/jul...e-the-vaccine/

so, a 23 years old girl, vaccinated August and September.
November she got sick, alpha/delta (she don't know what) and was "really" sick she told,
and December, yet again she got sick, (she don't know what, likely omicron)
she was at a party and 13 out of 25 got sick.


so what does this tell about the vaccines?
they are unpredictable. she got sick after just 2 months.
and because of that "false" safety, and covid-certificate she infects others and spreading it around.

is this her fault? partially. because I did know this. that the vaccines are not good enough. its also your responsibility to know that.
and I mean, if you allow someone to inject something into your body, you should definitely do some background research. if not, you are reckless.

I would not do any partying knowing that omicron is around. its insane.
but the vaccinated do like this. risking other peoples life.

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yes. a fully healthy young person do take risks.

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I still don't know the point of this statement. Of course young, healthy, old, unhealthy people take risk Did you think people didn't know that?

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I got sick, I know friends that got sick and its not that severe

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I'm surprised that you think over 5,000,000 deaths in 2yrs isn't a severe disease.

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- let the healthy population get sick

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Do you think healthy people don't die from Covid. That's false. My daughter works as an ICU nurse and she has seen several healthy people die from Covid and she is just one nurse in one hospital. It's true the death rate for the young and healthy is very low but the death rate for the young and healthy that are vaccinated is much lower.

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why do I need to be punished because people are living unhealthy lives?

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If this is about mandates, as I said before, at this point in time it's fine with me if you want to take that risk. Just don't act like there is no risk.

young people die from all kinds of stuff.
we are not immune to death. young people gets cancer.

but if you think of whats best for the human race
thats natural selection. as we have done millions of years.

human body adapt and evolve.
to let a foreign substance be "needed" for the human race to survive will make our own body weaker and weaker, until we need to get a shot every day to survive.

we already do that, people eating medicine more and more. and its increasing.
big pharma wants this, for profit.

It doesn't really work that way. Evolution doesn't have a purpose or a direction.

It seems fairly clear that a fair number of problems we have are due to living in an environment that is too clean. We don't encounter enough challenges. Of course, we also live longer, as well, since a portion of the population always fails those challenges. We tend to accept that, though.

One interesting study that you might consider is one that looked at starvation in Southeast Asia. What was found was that the offspring of men who went through a period of starvation in their youth, had virtually no heart disease. The men themselves didn't benefit, quite the opposite, but their children appeared to benefit considerably. Of course, that would mean that every other generation can benefit if the alternating generations starved.

There are a bunch of other things like that, such as hookworm and allergies/asthma. A few parasites seems to provide a benefit, too many definitely doesn't but in a different way such that you end up balancing different stats. Would you trade lower intelligence for higher durability, or the other way around?

That seems to be what happens in life: Everything is a trade off. Every positive comes with a negative, that may not be clearly related. You often don't get to decide which one you get. Quite often, you don't get either. You don't even get presented with a choice. Other times, you get the choice, but it was made for you, perhaps even before you were born, and your life arc is influenced by that choice.

Health and cleanliness are just choices open to some. They all come with costs as well as benefits.

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Originally Posted by baka

young people die from all kinds of stuff.
we are not immune to death. young people gets cancer.

but if you think of whats best for the human race
thats natural selection. as we have done millions of years.

human body adapt and evolve.
to let a foreign substance be "needed" for the human race to survive will make our own body weaker and weaker, until we need to get a shot every day to survive.

we already do that, people eating medicine more and more. and its increasing.
big pharma wants this, for profit.

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Evolution is a very slow and uncertain process, it can take thousands of years for even minor changes to occur.

Medicine and related health improvements (call it Big Pharma if you like) have contributed massively to how long people live https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gdom-all-time/ shows the life expectancy here in the UK - that isn't down to evolution. Some of that will be better hygiene, however a major contribution will be medicine, surgery, vaccines etc.

As a species we do an awful lot of unnatural things, the definition of unnatural may however change over time...

e.g.
It would seem we first started wearing what could be described as clothes about 500,000 years ago - up until then being naked was "natural" I would rather be unnatural and wear clothes than try to survive a Welsh winter while being naked. I am also sure my neighbours appreciate my wearing clothes as well....

Evidence of people wearing glasses is only 13th century, yet nobody would consider glasses unnatural anymore. In fact, given my eyesight the chances of me surviving outdoors without glasses is virtually nil.

Electric hearing aids are less than 250 years old, would you consider them unnatural?

Smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people until it was eradicated, should we have allowed it to continue killing that many people rather than take an "unnatural vaccine"?

Beta-Blockers can improve survival rates for certain types of heart failure, are they unnatural?

The fact that "young people die from all kinds of stuff" and "we are not immune to death" doesn't mean that we should accept that and allow it to happen, chemotherapy is a horrible process and about as unnatural a way to keep someone alive as I can imagine - I am however glad that it is a thing as it has saved the life of more than one of my friends.