Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

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Originally Posted by sapator

So let's recapitulate.
He is Banned from Twitter.
Suspender from Facebook.
Wiki bash him.

So that is enough evidence that he does not know was he is talking about.

I need a Xanax.

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It seems to swing both ways. Some dismiss him because of the claims of misinformation and some seem to think it proves he's right. Plus the interview was removed from You Tube, obviously he is right. lol

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if you don't want to eat the spinach soup you don't need to. you can eat your micro-pizza.
not sure why you make a big deal about it.
its a free world and you decide who you want to be.
nobody is telling you that you need to change or believe in other things.
its quite tiring. just tell "I don't want" and go on with your life.
stop trying to justify yourself.

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Yeah, if you don't agree with his opinion, keep it to yourself. How dare you voice your own opinion.

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Originally Posted by sapator

So let's recapitulate.
He is Banned from Twitter.
Suspender from Facebook.
Wiki bash him.

So that is enough evidence that he does not know was he is talking about.

I need a Xanax.

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Sapator...we have bumped heads a couple of times and you have been "nice" when even I think I broke forum etiquette. I appreciate that. Let me respond:

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He is Banned from Twitter.
Suspender from Facebook.
Wiki bash him.

So that is enough evidence that he does not know was he is talking about

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My God absolutely...But I will say this to you sir with all respect to you and your opinions. President Trump, in my opinion, killed a 1/2 a million Americans with hubris, false claims of election fraud, delaying Covid response, and negligence. Put aside while the country was in a pandemic he was usurping an election. If you want to disagree I will start another thread with serious backing about what I am saying.

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

So, there is an philosophical issue here.
Some people seem to believe that every opinion is equally valid, because as we all all human, and fallible, all opinions and points of view are valid the same.

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Who? It seems like everybody in THIS discussion does NOT believe every opinion is equally valid. We just all have decided which are valid and which are not, but none of us seems to think they are all valid. I'm not sure that we could, since they tend to be mutually contradictory.

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In that view, there is no truths, facts or falsehoods, it is just something that is built in the mind of each one, and that's it.

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Yeah, that's pretty much the case in all things. Were you aware of the research that showed that when we remember something, it isn't like retrieving from a hard drive. Instead, you erase the memory when you remember it, and lay it down again. That has led to some research that would block the 'lay it down again' part, thereby causing the memory to be lost (rats that had learned a maze could be caused to forget the maze, if I remember how it was done..but that's always an issue, of course). What that means is that anything you remember is false. Every time you remember it, you have a chance to alter some little piece such that the memory is changed by every act of remembering. Thus, the more you remember some event, the more it diverges from what actually happened. That's one of the reasons why eye-witness accounts are considered to be so unreliable.

So you and I don't agree. Big deal. In a very real sense, if we were to discuss this particular sentence without having it in front of us, we wouldn't remember it the same. And that sentence is pretty innocent compared to life in general. So we don't agree on what is happening, what has happened, or what was even written in this thread. So what? It's inevitable. That's why point of view seems like it might matter. My optimistic point of view shades how I see things. It's a rosy hue, to be sure (assuming that has the same meaning to you as it does to me), but's it's certainly shading. You have a shading as well. We could disagree simply because of that shading.

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I believe that there is an objective reality, that we as subjective beings connect better or worse to it, but that there are truths and facts out there.
Our ability or inability is to be able (or unable) to connect to those truth and facts, that won't change based on what we believe or don't believe.

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I'd like to say that I believe the same way on this. The problem is that I'm a bit too aware of things like that research on memory. After all, you can never go back to even the point when you began reading this sentence. If you have the opportunity to alter a memory every time you revisit it, then your past is nothing more than a story you wrote. Facts start out solid and real, then start to blur and run the further you get from the event.

So, the older I get, the more I begin to realize that there is not necessarily one set of objective facts and truths. Everybody can start with the same view of the elephant, but over time their memories of that view will begin to diverge from that objective truth. Since you can never go back in time and view the elephant from the same point in both space and time, you can never check that your memory of the objective truth is correct. If that is the case, there may be an objective truth, but we can't know it. We've all distorted it and all we have left is the distorted memory, which we keep distorting more over time.

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Originally Posted by sapator

I need a Xanax.

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Did you get one? Does that mean you've been to Xana do? Or is it Xana did?

I don't read long posts. JFY all to know.
(Or may be next year.)

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I feel that I have a significant amount of control over how my life turns out, even though the biggest events in my life were all dictated by others. Still, those big events have always turned out quite nicely, and those who caused them have always been people I've really liked and who have liked me. If that isn't your experience, perhaps you have reason to believe in a malevolent other.

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I agree with and like the way you described your view on people. But I got a few minutes to kill so I'll take exception to this opinion.

My life, from childhood was filled with violence and lies. Since I was @ 50 things have calmed. But I never believed any worldwide cabal or malevolent other I definitely have trust issues. lol

You watch multi-hour YouTube videos and won't read a long post?

Still, I know what you mean. Long posts really do suck. I felt that I had caused enough turmoil with the earlier half-post that I ought to explain myself a bit better.

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OK...I'll give it a shot. He is banned from Twitter and suspended from Facebook for misinformation that can be threating to public safety. To me that is enough to dig deeper than the video posted here but you seem to think that is my responsibility...not the people making the posts.

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I'll be honest. Being banned from the mainstream like Twitter and Facebook makes me even more interested in what the subject of these bans have to say.

I don't really know the intimate details about what you guys are fight about over here and I really don't have that much interest in this Covid mess and all the shenanigans in the media behind it. However, I can speak a little bit about these media wars between the mainsteam and "subversive" content creators providing an alternative view. Over the past few years I've grown to despise mainstream media because it promotes many lies. Now I can't speak on Covid but I do consume a lot of "subversive" content that is banned in the mainstream discourse and what I have noticed is that alternative media sources outside of the mainstream tend to be a lot more grounded in reality. The content I consume is more about social justice issues, feminism, relationships, gender relations and the like and all I can say is that the mainstream media is goddamn insane! I wouldn't trust anything the mainsteam has to say on anything, even Covid. I want to hear what all the people who were ostracized from the mainstream have to say. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of kooks outside of the mainstream too but with a little common sense and some life experience, you can pretty much tell the reals from the fakes. I listen to people try to bullshit me all day IRL so I feel pretty confident I can filter the good from the bad when I see stuff online.

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Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of kooks outside of the mainstream too but with a little common sense and some life experience, you can pretty much tell the reals from the fakes

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That's interesting. No problem with confirmation bias in telling the reals from the fakes?

This term "mainstream media" sure gets thrown around a lot. Where's that line at, if it's on You Tube it's not mainstream? If it's on TV, any TV channel, then don't believe it? Can you apply "with a little common sense and some life experience" this to any media? Or is it that anyone who who watches the evening news, PBS, Science Channel are not smart enough to do that.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

Plus the interview was removed from You Tube, obviously he is right. lol

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So we obviously have guys here, who are not the slightest bit curious,
why on earth that happened...
I also fail to comprehend, what's so funny about obvious censorship...

The "removal" is a simple, undisputable fact - can't see, where "conspiracies" come into it.
And BTW, all the "flat-earther-videos" are still online - apparently Youtube has no problem
with nutcases who are "spinning their yarn"...

So, I'd say a few questions are normal, like e.g.:

- What were YT's exact reasons for that specific removal?
- Why was there a removal in the first place (free speech, anyone)?
- What on earth did the guy say exactly, to deserve to be censored?

I personally refuse to be put into your convenient "conspiracy-baskets" -
just for thinking about the 3 questions above (trying to get a few answers,
to round up my view on "real, observable things", and putting them into context.

Olaf

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

You watch multi-hour YouTube videos and won't read a long post?

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At first I didn't feel like spending 3 hours listening to Malone, someone that I knew a bit but now (after watched it) I think know much better.
Anyway it took my attention from the first part.
But I did just because Olaf recommended it.
I don't regret any minute I spent.

On the other side, when I read someone that thinks that "we live in a wonderful world", and seems to think that the reality can be modeled as be approach it or think about it (yes, in small things or things that depend on us, I agree, but just that), I feel that that person is so much out of reality that I don't want to even try to show that to him.

I could try, but please reading small parts and right to the point.

It is like I feel I'm am miles away, trying to help someone to come, but this person is not only too far behind, but is trying to go in the opposite direction.
And I have to admit a defect: patience is not my main feature.

What's all that idea of "we like in a wonderful world", is something zen or what?

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I don't really know the intimate details about what you guys are fight about over here...

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It basically started here: https://www.vbforums.com/showthread....=1#post5550690
...after simply posting a link to a YT-banned video, in which a longer 3h-interview took place
(with a guy who did groundbreaking work in (m)RNA-based vaccine-research).

And what then followed was the typical: "la-la-la-la-la, go away - I don't want to hear it - la-la-la-la-la"... ;)
... by some of our "more objective guys" here

Olaf

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That's interesting. No problem with confirmation bias in telling the reals from the fakes?

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Yes, better to have confirmation bias of things that are in all channels repeated 1000 times.
Much easier.

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That's interesting. No problem with confirmation bias in telling the reals from the fakes?

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Again, I can't speak for Covid but for the content I consume, this is where life experience and common sense come in. Let me give you an example based on the content I look at. The mainstream media will you that to get girls, you just be yourself, treat her nice, buy her flowers bla bla bla.....non-mainstream content will tell you, it doesn't work that way. They will say things like you need a little status and you gotta have have some edge to you, be more selfish and a little arrogant bla bla bla.....who to believe? Well, I do have some experience in this regard so I can definitely say that the latter is true. This is where life experience helps you. There is a saying that says "game recognizes game". When you're about something or you are used to being around people who are about it, you can easily tell who is not about it just by listening to them speak.

Does it always work? No. And this principle may be harder to apply to topics like Covid since none of us here are in it. None of us here are in labs doing Covid research or are around people that are doing it so it will be a lot harder to tell the fakes from the real deals. But it can still be applied to a more limited degree. I'm sure everyone of us here can tell when someone is running game to get one over on us. Just do the same with them. You're not always going to get it right but you should get it right more often than not.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

This term "mainstream media" sure gets thrown around a lot. Where's that line at, if it's on You Tube it's not mainstream?

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This is easy. I ask myself one simple question....Would a major network like CNN dare play the video I'm watching...if the answer is no, then it's definitely not a mainstream message.

Also, on this topic of mainstream content. I do actually consume quite a lot but they are about topics that are inherently unbiased. For example, mini-documentaries about technology like battery tech or the latest electric vehicles or instructional content about math, physics, engineering and programming which I consume a lot of too.

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

What's all that idea of "we like in a wonderful world", is something zen or what?

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So, you believe the world is dark, scary, menacing. I think we aren't smart enough to deal with the challenges ahead of us, but I'm old. My life has been great. So, just out of curiosity, why would I want to believe in your reality? It sounds really bad. I know it is bad for a whole lot of people, and the rest of us should do what we can to lift the world up, but why in the world would anybody want to go live in the darkness?

Have you ever considered that your clouds are not the reality?

When I was back in high school, my friends decided that my fate was to die in the woods laughing hysterically at a leaf. That would be a good end.

Alcohol. Then your life looks great. :bigyello:
Or Xanax...Mixed with Pfiser,Moderna and the Russian vax. You come out stumbling, speaking 3 languages + zombian and pee hot lava (yes, there is cold also, smartashh).

I want to say something about censorship. I'm against it, even if people believe that the earth is not flat, they should be let to speak.I think most of you would agree.
Now the issue here is controlled censorship. It's one thing a media or web tweet twaat or a forum not letting you go on about the whole and another to discriminate.
For example, here we are blocking the VB6ers, that is not acceptable by me. If we should to block all programming languages then that would be a "fair" censorship.
So in covid we(we the fliurkin mainstream media) block everything that has to do with the euphoria of the vaxbies and the obvious lethal to mass murder results of Omicron, yet we let the unvaccinated proclaim stuff and show reports from Koch Institute of Germany .
We let Malone hang around with Tackleberry but we don't show doctors that tells us we need another lock down and 3 more doses.
That, even if we do it to "protect the public" looks suspicious at best. Can't we not understand that it will bring the opposite results?
If we let both sides, with highly acclaims scientists (no Fauci or our "geniuses" here in Greece. They are a slug that a slug crawled on, compared to important scientists) then we could come up with something more meaningful than locking the earth for 1 year, praying.

P.S. I was bashed way before on showing a tweet, said that, Uhhh you show us tweeter as sourceee?! Boooo, 666, papa is the killer (if anyone get that without looking at the internet, you are half Greek at least), so now tweeter is good?That is so confusing.....Another Xanax....Ohhh blue horses with faaangssss...OOhhhhh!!

P.S.2 The world, it depends. Where you live, what have you done with yourself,how much money your papa have.But the truth, you have to travel a lot, A LOT to decide. So I don't know if the world is bad but I know that 98% of the trouble, if the world is bad are Politicians......No that is not fair, 99%.

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So we obviously have guys here, who are not the slightest bit curious,
why on earth that happened...
I also fail to comprehend, what's so funny about obvious censorship...

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That comment has nothing to do with being curious, it's about using the fact if was removed as a reason it should be watched or using that for building your case for something sinister. And I agree you do fail to comprehend what's funny about that.

As for censorship, of course it is. But censorship on YT isn't new or confined to COVID related videos. Why is this censorship so sinister or offensive? Because Flat Earth'ers aren't also censored? Do you think they are trying to hide the truth?

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

So, you believe the world is dark, scary, menacing. I think we aren't smart enough to deal with the challenges ahead of us, but I'm old. My life has been great. So, just out of curiosity, why would I want to believe in your reality? It sounds really bad. I know it is bad for a whole lot of people, and the rest of us should do what we can to lift the world up, but why in the world would anybody want to go live in the darkness?

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You seem (and I think you do) to confuse things so much.

There is an objective reality, reality is not what you believe it is or what I believe it is, what you wish or what I wish, what I like or what you like, what I prefer it to be, or what you prefer it to be. Reality is what it is, no mater whether you believe it is one way or another.

If we agree on that point, may be we could go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Have you ever considered that your clouds are not the reality?

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That is the kind of things why I don't like reading you.
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I feel like I'm wasting my time.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

When I was back in high school, my friends decided that my fate was to die in the woods laughing hysterically at a leaf. That would be a good end.

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More nonsense (to me). I see two possibilities:
1) It is pure ramble.
2) It is something too deep for me to understand (what the point is).

I don't like to read things like this either.

The message was short (thanks) but not to the point. I still don't know what the point was, and I don't like word games, I prefer clear messages.
Of course, we are not obligated to continue this conversation.

Are you in some kind of philosophy, psychology, buddhism, scientology, new age, or what is all this "ideology" about???

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This is easy. I ask myself one simple question....Would a major network like CNN dare play the video I'm watching...if the answer is no, then it's definitely not a mainstream message.

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That seems arbitrary. FOX say lots of things CNN wouldn't. How about HBO. Is the NYT mainstream, Washington Post, AP?

I agree you can find things on YT or podcasts that you wont find on any of those media outlets. But the point I'm trying to make is no matter where it comes from, you need to use the same filters. Just because they say something you don't hear on "mainstream media" doesn't make it true. So when people say I don't trust my news from mainstream media my first thought what makes you think you can trust non traditional informational sources. If your looking for a lot of different opinions thats a place to go. It's also the place to go find someone to reinforce your narrative.

I just don't buy into "I don't get information from mainstream media" as a badge of honor. Just depends on the person.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

So when people say I don't trust my news from mainstream media my first thought what makes you think you can trust non traditional informational sources.

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Of course. "News" on whatever other place are not likely to be more accurate or more true than mainstream media.

You first need to do your own research on the "subject" (anyone it is).

Then, when you come to some conclusions that you are confident to be correct (or true), you are able to identify certain channels or sources that provide good, accurate, balanced and sound content.

After that, you develop certain confidence in the channel, because you cannot verify every and all things they say (that would take too much time).
But if you doubt about something, you can (and should) go and verify for yourself. Everybody makes mistakes.

It is not that any non-mainstream source is better, at all.

I remember that someone once said: "some things is better to ignore, because if you know, you are responsible of what you know".

And some things are too heavy to deal with.

I think I understand what Shaggy meant many post ago when he said "how can you live with that?" (more or less).

So, if some people want and choose to ignore, that's OK. (unfortunately these people also vote).

So... make love and no war.
Every little thing, is gonna be all right.
All you need is love.

But please, if so, then don't come to discuss with the ones that want to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNBCVM4KbUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ze_e4R9QY

Alright all you guys that swallowed a pill. Can you give the non-pill swallowers amongst us a better path forward than what we've been given thus far? Because I think there's been way to heavy a focus on "truth" (absolute, relative, or somewhere in between) as an answer to all our problems, without any practical focus on what you think should actually be done. Let's assume you are 100% right about everything you say, and you convince 100% of everyone here that you are right. What then?

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That seems arbitrary. FOX say lots of things CNN wouldn't. How about HBO. Is the NYT mainstream, Washington Post, AP?

I agree you can find things on YT or podcasts that you wont find on any of those media outlets. But the point I'm trying to make is no matter where it comes from, you need to use the same filters. Just because they say something you don't hear on "mainstream media" doesn't make it true. So when people say I don't trust my news from mainstream media my first thought what makes you think you can trust non traditional informational sources. If your looking for a lot of different opinions thats a place to go. It's also the place to go find someone to reinforce your narrative.

I just don't buy into "I don't get information from mainstream media" as a badge of honor. Just depends on the person.

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Yea, I'm not able to explain it properly. I just know it when I see it. Like I could watch a piece of content and sort of feel it out. It's not very scientific, I know. But what I do know is that the mainstream is not to be trusted without some deep scrutiny. Now I want to be very clear about this, you have to be extremely skeptical on non-mainstream content as well. There are a lot of shysters in these spaces looking to rip people off but at the same time, you will find some very interesting insights into certain topics that you will never hear about in the mainstream.

What I'm about to say, a lot of folks will disagree with but whatever. Bottom line is this, I've figured out for a few years now that the left leaning subset of American mainstream media, which includes big Hollywood studios and huge networks like CNN and MSNBC seem to be on this mission to brainwash the world into believing all manner of insanities, like humans having 56 genders and even greater insanities I cannot even mention on a left leaning website like this without starting a war. I don't know why they are doing this but all I know is that they are.

I really can't make anyone understand what I'm talking about so if you take nothing else from this, take this at least. Know that those talking heads you see on the news do not have your best interest at heart. At best, they are trying to keep us from tearing each other apart, and at worst, they are programming us to be compliant so that we could be easily exploited by the upper class.

A classic example of this exploitation is your American dream, the older version where you spend 40 years of your life working a 9-5 so you can barely make enough to keep your life going while paying a mortgage just so the home can finally be yours after you've slaved away your entire life and are about to kick the bucket. When you think about it and I mean really think about it deeply, you realize that this is absolute insanity, but we have accepted this as normal because that is how we were programmed. Ask yourselves who really benefits from this arrangement? Another example is the promotion of the idea of savings to the middle class. Upper class people who know how the game is rigged don't save, they invest but they don't teach this to the middle class. Again, who benefits? You would never hear about this kind of thing in the mainstream but there are a lot of people, a whole lot smarter than me talking about this is "other" places(yes, that includes YouTube)...

I could on and on but I'd need to a whole book. Best advice I can give is to be open minded and don't be afraid to open yourselves up to different points of views, even those points of view that your "mainstream buddies" would consider mad. Also, and this is a big one, believe in yourself. If you have a feeling something is off or something you are hearing doesn't sound quite right, do not be afraid to trust yourself. Don't every let anyone convince you that you are crazy. Too many people ignore their instincts because they are afraid of becoming unpopular.

The system is such "cleverly" based that you would probably can't do something. So only elections but p.e. US elections, all parties are...2 parties.So, maybe some other mean of electing.
After all when we created Democracy we did not know that "this" thing will happen. So, sorry from Greece.
Also I said cleverly based and show Beetles, so I wanted to try something on Bass (I'm a guitar player but I enjoy bass), so I went for something close...Run to the hills...Apparently tried both on pick and hands. On pick I somewhat played it but my angle joint (not the wrist, as I'm trained on hi speed on guitar) now hurts like a morleflaker and I also tried with fingering, it does not hurt but I can't play the hyper speed well. :cry:
So the world is bad for me today on bass.

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Yea, I'm not able to explain it properly. I just know it when I see it.azy. Too many people ignore their instincts because they are afraid of becoming unpopular

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I agree, I know it when I see it too. But I probably see it and know it differently than you. That's why avoid video as much as possible, it's way to easy to be manipulated unconsciously. Does the presenter look and sound similar to the way I look and sound? Probably bonus points to my "trustworthy" variable. How are the interviewer and interviewee presented in terms of lighting, costume, makeup, microphones, sound production, etc.. probably the same effect. Give me a transcript any day of the week. BTW anyone have a transcript of the JRE interview? I'm not sitting through 3 hours of that (especially after watching a few minutes of the highlights), but I'll gladly read through the entire transcript in 20 minutes or so.

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without any practical focus on what you think should actually be done. Let's assume you are 100% right about everything you say, and you convince 100% of everyone here that you are right. What then?

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I have two goals with these discussions:
1) To learn more from others by interchanging information and receiving valid criticism.
2) To raise some kind of awareness of what is happening (to some point many of us agree that something is happening), let's call it my grain of sand (not that I'll change the wold with that but that is what i can do in that direction).

About what I do, and now you'll most likely think it is nonsense, a waste of time, and I'm a nut-case, is to pray to God about the things I see. I like to follow what is happening to make the correct petitions.
It is the only more useful thing I do.

So, what you can do? I don't know. The ones that are near Washington DC can go to the march on January 23: https://defeatthemandatesdc.com/

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I agree, I know it when I see it too. But I probably see it and know it differently than you. That's why avoid video as much as possible, it's way to easy to be manipulated unconsciously.

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Yea, but I'd also add that when judging the trustworthiness of something, I also try to look for opposing view points and I try very hard to be objective about what I'm watching on both sides and then I form a final conclusion. The opposing viewpoints can also be from myself with my own experiences, if the subject matter is something I have personal experience in. Also, it's always a good idea to fact check as much as possible for both sides and of course, trust your instincts while you're doing it.

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Originally Posted by Schmidt

It basically started here: https://www.vbforums.com/showthread....=1#post5550690
...after simply posting a link to a YT-banned video, in which a longer 3h-interview took place
(with a guy who did groundbreaking work in (m)RNA-based vaccine-research).

And what then followed was the typical: "la-la-la-la-la, go away - I don't want to hear it - la-la-la-la-la"... ;)
... by some of our "more objective guys" here

Olaf

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Interesting. The fact that it was banned from YouTube has piqued my interest. Someone must really not want the world to hear what this guy has to say. That is real interesting considering all the leftist nonsense that is not only allowed but encouraged on YouTube. I might take a look at it....see what all the fuss is about.

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A classic example of this exploitation is your American dream, the older version where you spend 40 years of your life working a 9-5 so you can barely make enough to keep your life going while paying a mortgage just so the home can finally be yours after you've slaved away your entire life and are about to kick the bucket. When you think about it and I mean really think about it deeply, you realize that this is absolute insanity, but we have accepted this as normal because that is how we were programmed. Ask yourselves who really benefits from this arrangement? Another example is the promotion of the idea of savings to the middle class. Upper class people who know how the game is rigged don't save, they invest but they don't teach this to the middle class. Again, who benefits? You would never hear about this kind of thing in the mainstream but there are a lot of people, a whole lot smarter than me talking about this is "other" places(yes, that includes YouTube)...

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I understand what you saying but your examples suck. lol

I've bought three houses and they been the best investments I've ever made, my current house has increased @ 500% in twenty year. My mortgage was lower than renting. So it's a large return for a small initial investment. Now that I've retired I'm able to live comfortably because I have no house payment. Now I basically have my saving in stocks and bonds, at my age they're in low risk equities. Could I have made more money investing, maybe. Could also end up old and with nothing. About working 40yrs. that was a given,(unfortunately I was born beautiful, not rich), even investing is work. Honestly I'd rather be coding. lol

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

I understand what you saying but your examples suck. lol

I've bought three houses and they been the best investments I've ever made, my current house has increased @ 500% in twenty year. My mortgage was lower than renting. So it's a large return for a small initial investment. Now that I've retired I'm able to live comfortably because I have no house payment. Now I basically have my saving in stocks and bonds, at my age they're in low risk equities. Could I have made more money investing, maybe. Could also end up old and with nothing. About working 40yrs. that was a given,(unfortunately I was born beautiful, not rich), even investing is work. Honestly I'd rather be coding. lol

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Bro, you talk about programming on VBForums. This fact alone tells me that you are likely more intelligent than the average person. So it's no surprise that you've figured out how to work the system to your advantage. The average salt-of-the-Earth kind of guy doesn't have such smarts. Just think of all the people that got screwed during the 2008 financial crisis. They were sold the American dream and got suckered into a sub-prime mortgage scam perpetuated by powerful Wall Street players. You think "Joe Sixpack" knows anything about stocks and bonds?

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Originally Posted by Niya

Interesting. The fact that it was banned from YouTube has piqued my interest. Someone must really not want the world to hear what this guy has to say. That is real interesting considering all the leftist nonsense that is not only allowed but encouraged on YouTube. I might take a look at it....see what all the fuss is about.

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There's absolutely nothing interesting about snippets being banned from YouTube. The JRE show is a corporate owned show on Spotify, Go see what the fuss is about and watch/listen to the whole thing if you want, but please but 0% weight on it being "banned" from any other platform than Spotify.

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Originally Posted by jpbro

There's absolutely nothing interesting about snippets being banned from YouTube. The JRE show is a corporate owned show on Spotify, Go see what the fuss is about and watch/listen to the whole thing if you want, but please but 0% weight on it being "banned" from any other platform than Spotify.

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Oh don't get me wrong. Being banned from YouTube doesn't make the information more trustworthy. That's not what I'm suggesting. What it does is arouse my suspicions because cancel culture and censorship is a real thing. Whatever is in that video could be total nonsense but it could also be one of the most revealing piece of media about this entire pandemic, like Snowden level stuff that the mainstream wants to suppress. I will figure out what it is when I get around to watching it. But I will watch it with an open mind.

Eduardo, before I even respond to your points individually, I really want to thank you for responding truthfully, honestly, and openly. I "hummed and hawed" before my post, and thought I would just say #*)! it, we're all too far apart to even have a chance of any of us changing our minds, but I took a chance and your post has made me glad I did.

Now please let me respond point-by-point.

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

1) To learn more from others by interchanging information and receiving valid criticism.

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I also want to learn from others, and I actually enjoy valid criticism. As we know, if you hang around here long enough, you better get used to it!

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

2) To raise some kind of awareness of what is happening (to some point many of us agree that something is happening), let's call it my grain of sand (not that I'll change the wold with that but that is what i can do in that direction).

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I agree that "stuff" is happening. I'm not happy about corporations earning record profits while average wages can't even keep up with inflation. I'm not happy that pharmaceutical companies are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths by pushing pain killers. I'm not happy that some companies profit off of weapons that killing people.

YET behind all these companies there are people. Unless those people have a better reason to do what they are currently doing, they will probably continue to do what they are currently doing. So it's not enough to just say "you are sheep! wake up!". You must provide an avenue for them to wake up to and walk along. Then you must provide an opportunity for education and let them roam on their own.

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About what I do, and now you'll most likely think it is nonsense, a waste of time, and I'm a nut-case, is to pray to God about the things I see. I like to follow what is happening to make the correct petitions.
It is the only more useful thing I do.

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I don't think you're a nutcase for praying to God. I don't think it's a solution to any problem though (certainly not a logical one), but I get it. I've been in situations where I've prayed to God myself.

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

So, what you can do? I don't know. The ones that are near Washington DC can go to the march on January 23: https://defeatthemandatesdc.com/

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Personally I think we'd all be better off if we protested locally vs. focus on the US (unless of course you live in the US). I still don't know how COVID & the vaccine got so politicized when there seems to me to be at least 5 other things that would be better argued about.

Anyway, I appreciated your response, but now I'm tired and off to bed. Hope you have a good night (Eduardo and everyone else).

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Originally Posted by Niya

like Snowden level stuff that the mainstream wants to suppress. I will figure out what it is when I get around to watching it. But I will watch it with an open mind.

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That's the stuff I'm looking for to be a "100% believer". Does "real deal" whistleblower stuff with actual documentation exist? I'm supporter of Wikileaks, Snowden, and whistleblowers in general. But for me there has to be real evidence, not just connecting dots.

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Originally Posted by jpbro

I don't think it's a solution to any problem though (certainly not a logical one)

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Of course, as almost everybody thinks.
But in fact, that's the only solution. (Logical? More than logical.)

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Originally Posted by jpbro

Personally I think we'd all be better off if we protested locally vs. focus on the US (unless of course you live in the US).

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That reference was intended more as an example, taken from the video itself.
Of course everyone must do something where each one lives.

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Originally Posted by jpbro

I still don't know how COVID & the vaccine got so politicized when there seems to me to be at least 5 other things that would be better argued about.

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I'm not anti-vaccine, that protest is not anti-vaccine, it is anti-mandate.

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Originally Posted by jpbro

Anyway, I appreciated your response, but now I'm tired and off to bed. Hope you have a good night (Eduardo and everyone else).

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Good night!!

another thing that amaze me is that people are so good to "argue" against something but fail miserably to make good point themselves, since they are empty inside if they are not injected with some information.
they swallow with big open mouth from sources that are accepted from the masses. since they think. if most people believe its the truth it most be the truth, without giving thought at all. swallow without any issues, no matter how big the pill is.

to argue against someone is easy. you stay behind your line, with the imaginary masses of people behind you, you are "part" of something, even if nobody is there really, you get power from it. you are part of the masses, you are important, since you don't want to be alone, an outsider, a stranger. because if you find yourself there, you will feel really bad. often u start to consume alcohol, drugs or you do bad things. you destroy yourself or others. we dont want that.

so, here, we make our stand. I don't want to make a bad decision that will put me in the "outsider" position. because Im scared.
so, I discard everything that are dangerous for me, I use all my energy to withstand temptation, curiosity, facts, information, well, everything that could push me to something that could move me toward an outsider position.

now, as I don't give a crap about the masses, Im a person, Im unique, I don't need to be placed by someone. I find my own place, I just find it silly.
all that energy that could have been redirected into something productive, such as just watch that video.

if I'm strong, I know what I believe, I'm steadfast. no matter any video, I can withstand anything. it will not change me at all, it will not place me anywhere else.
but after watching the video, I know more. my knowledge will increase. or at least my perspective. no matter the content, could be a fake person, but if so, it will challenge my mind.
if I can understand that the person in the video is a fake, it will increase my intuition and perspective.

but, if I avoid it, how can I learn? how can I even know that the person is fake?
should I just follow the masses and thats it? what do this tell about me? Im just a number? Im not unique, Im just a follower.

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Originally Posted by baka

they swallow with big open mouth from sources that are accepted from the masses. since they think. if most people believe its the truth it most be the truth, without giving thought at all. swallow without any issues, no matter how big the pill is.

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Perfect example, the wage-gap myth. This has been disproven on camera by respectable bodies, yet the masses actually believe this trash without question. Interestingly you will never just happen upon this info. You have to actually go looking for it. On the other hand, the mainstream will gladly promote this garbage myth every chance they get in movies, TV and day time talk shows but never tell you that it has been long disproven. Such a disgusting thing that makes me sick to my stomach.

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Here's another minor and rather harmless myth you mostly see in science fiction shows that the world actually believes to be true.....humans only use 10% of their brains. Even as a teenager with a little knowledge in biology from secondary school I figured out that this was rubbish.

Here's another big myth promoted in the mainstream discourse.....men and women are the same.....RUBBISH! Yet masses of people in first world countries actually believe this! But this one has real consequences. You have a situation now where they are allowing people who were born male competing in women's sports because at some point in their life they decided to transition to female. The problem here is the mainstream media has done such a good job of brainwashing first worlders into thinking that men and women are the same, that they believe that both genders are biologically identical. Now we have a number of women speaking out because these "male to female" competitors are just dominating them owing to the biological differences between the genders.

Here's one such video of a young female athlete speaking about it and how unfair it is to have boys compete with girls because boys have certain inherent biological advantages:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BuV-s1SYLk

You don't come up on this info easily either. You actually have to go looking for stuff like this because no one really talks about it because everyone is afraid to be offensive. That's where what the modern age is now, everyone walking around afraid to offend anyone so we just allow lies to become truth. Just disgusting.

I could on and on and on about all the ridiculous things that the mainstream American media culture promotes but I think I'll stop here for now.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Bro, you talk about programming on VBForums. This fact alone tells me that you are likely more intelligent than the average person. So it's no surprise that you've figured out how to work the system to your advantage. The average salt-of-the-Earth kind of guy doesn't have such smarts. Just think of all the people that got screwed during the 2008 financial crisis. They were sold the American dream and got suckered into a sub-prime mortgage scam perpetuated by powerful Wall Street players. You think "Joe Sixpack" knows anything about stocks and bonds?

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That seems to be a common perception, being able to write code means you have high intelligence. To me, it just means your good at coding. And I got a life full of doing other things stupidly to prove it. I also don't think Joe sixpack lost near as much as the middle and upper income. It's true they were given loans that realistically they couldn't sustain but how much did they actually lose. Joe sixpack could just walk away from the mortgage. I lost probably 35% of my investment value and lots of wealthy people went broke. Also, Joe Sixpack doesn't need to know anything about stocks and bonds, all they got to do is signup through the company 401K plan.

There's nothing complicated about how I built my retirement. Live below your means. I haven't bought anything on credit (except my house) since my El Camino in 1983. My kids are sick of hearing me say that. lol

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

That seems to be a common perception, being able to write code means you have high intelligence. To me, it just means your good at coding.

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Being able to program requires a very specific kind of intelligence that also lends itself well to making sound financial decisions. It's all numbers. Programming is numbers. Finances are numbers. Programmers think about numbers more intimately that the average person.

I would also point out that my point really wasn't that the classical American dream means you don't live somewhat comfortably. Rather it relies on it's subjects believing that is the best they can achieve. I don't know how to fully describe it in a way to make you understand what I mean but basically, they convince you to put yourself into a situation where you're dancing on the knife's edge between comfortable living and total ruin because you allow them to put you in a very small box with little room to maneuver while giving away your labor to corporations that will make many times what they pay you. They make sure to keep you slaving away by having you commit to things like rent and mortgages or they convince you to buy a bunch of garbage you don't need to impress your neighbors. It's all designed to keep the wheel turning. The classic American dream is not about making you happy, it's about trapping you in life long servitude while convincing you that you're not a slave.

Rich and super successful people do not live this way because they know it is rigged. In fact, it is rigged for their benefit. Some people like you get out of it with a fulfilled life but most people living like this are frustrated, over-worked and underpaid and are powerless to do anything about it. They cannot get off the wheel because they have to constantly work to keep the rent/mortgage paid and the lights on. This is the truth of the world.

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Originally Posted by sapator

Ye, I'm kidding.
But from things that I know of, as I've said, compering the Wiki is very poor to say the least, maybe some articles are better. Also I haven't consider what Olaf said, if it changes the sources again and again on Malone then that can't be very good.

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Maybe every time he says something contrary to science it is updated. Maybe every time he goes on Breitbart and says something stupid it gets updated.

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Originally Posted by sapator

On pick I somewhat played it but my angle joint (not the wrist, as I'm trained on hi speed on guitar) now hurts like a morleflaker and I also tried with fingering, it does not hurt but I can't play the hyper speed well. :cry:

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That only happened, because you didn't follow Davie504's advice...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzPFeGjPEhE
...you have to "Slap it", man! :)

Olaf

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Originally Posted by jpbro

You must provide an avenue for them to wake up to and walk along.

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Exactly...
Problem is - knowledgeable guys who try that,
are getting cancelled (from Youtube, Twitter, LinkedIn). ;)

Quite hard, to reach a larger group of people:
- when the "mainstream-media" doesn't invite you to TV-talkshows etc.
- and when the big corporate social-platforms cancel your content

And of course, as long as people believe, that corporate-managed Cancel-Culture doesn't even exist -
where is the point in "trying to provide avenues" to them, when already the "attempt at talking" (about avenues) is cancelled?...

What's more is, that *due* to that cancelling, the official channels already made it quite clear to "Joe Doe",
that "listening to you, will get you in trouble" (and Joe Doe doesn't want any trouble).

Well, you mentioned it already yourself: First they have to "wake up", on their own that is.

Olaf

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Originally Posted by Schmidt

Exactly...
Problem is - knowledgeable guys who try that,
are getting cancelled (from Youtube, Twitter, LinkedIn). ;)

Quite hard, to reach a larger group of people:
- when the "mainstream-media" doesn't invite you to TV-talkshows etc.
- and when the big corporate social-platforms cancel your content

And of course, as long as people believe, that corporate-managed Cancel-Culture doesn't even exist -
where is the point in "trying to provide avenues" to them, when already the "attempt at talking" (about avenues) is cancelled?...

What's more is, that *due* to that cancelling, the official channels already made it quite clear to "Joe Doe",
that "listening to you, will get you in trouble" (and Joe Doe doesn't want any trouble).

Well, you mentioned it already yourself: First they have to "wake up", on their own that is.

Olaf

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I don't know if you watch Fox News but that "cancel culture" is right out of their playbook. Hour after hour day after day. All you have to add to match their lineup is to go on about CRT, rampant crime, police constantly attacked, and Joe Biden destroying the country. Democrat bashing is sprinkled between all of that. For their lighter segments it is parading what they call "patriots" around.

Oh- I almost forgot to mention how "woke" culture is destroying us also.

Edit: I forgot to mention teacher unions destroying the school system.

And Biden's crisis at the border...that is good for a few hours a day.

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Oh- I almost forgot to mention how "woke" culture is destroying us also.

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Glad, that we finally agree about something...

Olaf

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Originally Posted by Schmidt

Glad, that we finally agree about something...

Olaf

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I don't agree with any of that....I was listing the garbage Fox New blasts all day.

so, our king and queen both sick with covid, and both took 3 shots.
the covid-certificate is worthless, even so they want to increase restrictions for non-vaccinated. are we inside a Monty Python movie?

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Originally Posted by baka

so, our king and queen both sick with covid, and both took 3 shots.
the covid-certificate is worthless, even so they want to increase restrictions for non-vaccinated. are we inside a Monty Python movie?

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Have you considered that maybe they will not die because they are vaccinated?

its about the covid-certificate. do u even read what I wrote?

it gives people mobility that will spread the virus more.

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Originally Posted by baka

its about the covid-certificate. do u even read what I wrote?

it gives people mobility that will spread the virus more.

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Your post seemed disjointed so I did my best:

so, our king and queen both sick with covid, and both took 3 shots.
Are you implying that since they got sick the vaccinations were worthless? That is why I responded to say maybe it saved their lives.


the covid-certificate is worthless,
I assumed because the king and queen got sick you think the vaccine/certificates is worthless. That is why I responded to say maybe it saved their lives..

even so they want to increase restrictions for non-vaccinated.
Do the failures above mean we should give up? Are we foolish for trying to save lives?

are we inside a Monty Python movie?
Some of the people at this forum seem to be.

its not just the king and his wife.
a lot of vaccinated people gets infected.

the new strain, its different, so all your antibodies from the 100 shots you took will not help.
fortunately the new strain is not that severe.

sure, Delta is still here, so I understand that we need to be aware of that and not do unnecessary things, like travel.

the point was that, if they increase restrictions it should be for everyone and not just for the non-vaccinated. theres no logic here.

you are not saving life by:
restricting non-vaccinated people to do stuff but allowing people with the covid-certificate/pass to do stuff.

wheres your logic here?

so they should rename it to:
license to infect

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Originally Posted by TysonLPrice

I don't agree with any of that....I was listing the garbage Fox New blasts all day.

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I'm from germany, so no Fox-news (or any other US-channels) for me -
(and besides, I don't have a TV).

That said, I also don't know, to what degree you were being sarcastic in your recent post.

To be entirely non-sarcastic here...
I believe, most of "woke-culture" is a whole bunch of non-sense.

Designed purposely, to "keep your mind busy with irrelevant absurdities" -
designed to make things which carry absolutely no sense or meaning, your new "normal" -
designed to numb your "indoctrination-detector" to near Zero-degree-Kelvin.

I'm all for equality of women and men, I'm all for gay-marriage (and what have you) -
but "wokeness" in the way it gets "forced down our throats" these days -
that's going way too far - it endangers the way we interact as human beings.

Olaf

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its not just the king and his wife.
a lot of vaccinated people gets infected.

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Maybe you should have said that instead of "so, our king and queen both sick with covid"

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the new strain, its different, so all your antibodies from the 100 shots you took will not help.
fortunately the new strain is not that severe.

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I do not believe that is true and it is contradictory to what health agencies are saying.

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sure, Delta is still here, so I understand that we need to be aware of that and not do unnecessary things, like travel.
the point was that, if they increase restrictions it should be for everyone and not just for the non-vaccinated. theres no logic here.

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Would you rather be on a plane full of vaccinated or unvaccinated people?

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you are not saving life by:
restricting non-vaccinated people to do stuff but allowing people with the covid-certificate/pass to do stuff.

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Which of those two categories would you want baby-sitting your kids.

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wheres your logic here?
so they should rename it to:
license to infect]

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We aren't going to see eye to eye on this :p

no the health agencies told you that the vaccine will protect you against death or severe illness.
but only for the strains it was made for.
so alpha/delta.

but omicron, its worthless. theres no data or indication that the vaccine will protect you at all.
if you have such data, please show that.

as I wrote, the good thing is omicron is like a flu. so, vaccinated or not, its all about your own immune system.
sure the vaccine protects u a couple of months against alpha/delta, that I give you.

I already got covid, so Im immune against alpha/delta.
but not against omicron. but Im not scared, since its just like a common cold.

and no, I dont prefer vaccinated people. contrary I have many people around me that are not vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by TysonLPrice

Are you implying that since they got sick the vaccinations were worthless?
...maybe it saved their lives.

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You still fail to see, what the whole discussion is all about.

I agree with you (as most others will, I guess), that vaccines "reduce the deadliness" -
(at least for the early Variants, up to - and including D).

But they do so, not to the degree of the published 95% effectiveness (the death-numbers do not support this) -
and they do so, only for a relative short time (of about 3 months).

So they are a worthwhile thing to consider for short-time-protection, especially when you're older.
Though it's personal protection you apply (or don't apply).

Now, where exactly does "making the vaccine mandatory" come in,
when all the vaccine does is, to reduce your own, personal risk?

The fact that the virus is spreading quite nicely (no matter if you're vacced or not),
is already proven by the recent (still mostly D-triggered) infection-curves.

So, if spread couldn't be prevented with vaccination (not even for the D-Vairant) -
what sense does a mandate make?

The only reason where a mandate would make logical sense is,
when said vaccinations would indeed prevent spreading - but they just don't!

And now we have Omicron - a variant different enough, that:
- not only do your vaccination-shots (no matter how many) do *not* work at all
- it even seems, that the wrong immune-reactions, prior shots can cause, makes it easier for Omicron (negative effectiveness)

Olaf

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I'm from germany, so no Fox-news (or any other US-channels) for me -
(and besides, I don't have a TV).

That said, I also don't know, to what degree you were being sarcastic in your recent post.

To be entirely non-sarcastic here...
I believe, most of "woke-culture" is a whole bunch of non-sense.

Designed purposely, to "keep your mind busy with irrelevant absurdities" -
designed to make things which carry absolutely no sense or meaning, your new "normal" -
designed to numb your "indoctrination-detector" to near Zero-degree-Kelvin.

I'm all for equality of women and men, I'm all for gay-marriage (and what have you) -
but "wokeness" in the way it gets "forced down our throats" these days -
that's going way too far - it endangers the way we interact as human beings.

Olaf

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Honestly I thought is was just another Fox News boogie man like CRT and all the other topics they fixate on to divide Americans. They are basically a 24/7 republican propaganda station. Hearing someone from another country speaking of it changes that opinion a bit.

I don't really pay attention to it. Someone in this thread seemed to imply I lean that way. I don't feel like I am but I am on the liberal side and have voted democratic lately.

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Bro, you talk about programming on VBForums. This fact alone tells me that you are likely more intelligent than the average person. So it's no surprise that you've figured out how to work the system to your advantage. The average salt-of-the-Earth kind of guy doesn't have such smarts. Just think of all the people that got screwed during the 2008 financial crisis. They were sold the American dream and got suckered into a sub-prime mortgage scam perpetuated by powerful Wall Street players. You think "Joe Sixpack" knows anything about stocks and bonds?

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They do now. Just look at Robin Hood. Retail investors have been a thing for decades, but it's never been so cheap and easy. It's a form of legalized gambling, and few people win for long, but when the market it booming...it's hard to lose.

Still, you make almost a good point about the American Dream. The objection I have is that not everybody plays that game. We are far less monolithic than we might appear in that regard. This summer I'll be going hiking with a gal who is going to quit her job and keep on walking. When I leave after five weeks, she'll still have a couple months of hiking left, then she's going to do contracting. She'll do great at it, too.

I know others who opted to step off the rat race to spend more time hiking, less time working. It's a choice that can be made, and plenty of people do. What you give up with that is a bit of security. I paid off my house pretty quickly, and like Wes, it has now greatly increased in value (only about 300% for me, though). I expect to cash that in, perhaps in the next year, and move to somewhere far cheaper....and do more hiking, myself. I'd then have the security AND the time. Of course, I've also really liked where I've worked and the jobs that I've done. I get to wander up streams in some of the most beautiful parts of this country and get paid pretty well to do so. I then get to write programs for and with people who I like and admire. It's hard to complain.

What sucks is those people who work jobs that are JUST jobs, for pay that is mediocre. The problem for them is often that they either don't know of something better, or can't get there.

Something to think about is: What would you do if money wasn't an issue? In other words, if you had enough money to do whatever you wanted, how would you spend your life? I spent about four months thinking about that between college and grad school. I went through a variety of scenarios in great detail. In the end, though, I'm not sure that they were better than the life I've ended up living.

thats my life right now. I quitted my job 6 months ago.
hopefully I will not need to take a new job anymore instead I will do my own projects, as you know creating games, with my own team.
don't have loans, my house is payed, I own 90% of my moms house and I have enough money on my account to survive 10 years without any income.
all this because I planned ahead and worked hard for a long time, lived in minimum expenses, to save up and also to pay off everything that needed to be payed off.
sure, a bit of luck as well. when moving around, investing etc.

anyway, the question, what u do now.
I live comfortable, doing my stuff. but since its pandemic times, I dont move much, I stay home.
my its nice to have my project going on, and I dont need to stress about my work.

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thats my life right now. I quitted my job 6 months ago.
hopefully I will not need to take a new job anymore instead I will do my own projects, as you know creating games, with my own team.
don't have loans, my house is payed, I own 90% of my moms house and I have enough money on my account to survive 10 years without any income.
all this because I planned ahead and worked hard for a long time, lived in minimum expenses, to save up and also to pay off everything that needed to be payed off.
sure, a bit of luck as well. when moving around, investing etc.

anyway, the question, what u do now.
I live comfortable, doing my stuff. but since its pandemic times, I dont move much, I stay home.
my its nice to have my project going on, and I dont need to stress about my work.

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I'm envious...I did the opposite. Partied like there was no tomorrow and now I'll have to work until I drop dead. I'm collecting social security now while working. I can make it on social security but it will really cramp my style.

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What sucks is those people who work jobs that are JUST jobs, for pay that is mediocre. The problem for them is often that they either don't know of something better, or can't get there.

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Yeah, done that for several years. Unfortunately a lot of people get stuck and stay stuck in suck jobs. I got one kid that got out and one that didn't. I can't say either love there work. But making $68hr compared to $22 has to help. Still, I couldn't say which is happier.

This whole brainwashing us with the American Dream, meh. The fact that companies do their best to sell us things isn't a secret, it's done openly. They don't exist for our benefit, they exist to make a profit.