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Let's all call down with the racist stuff

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I actually agree. As I said, it seemed utterly out of character so let's put it down to a misunderstanding and move on. But nobody should be doubling own on it either. It is considered a racist term and does need to be defended

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Also, I was constantly looking the other way but I would ask admins to issue a ban to people constantly calling Trump Nazi or Fascist. I think it''s only fair.

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I wouldn't have a problem with "fascist" though I do think it's simply incorrect. I would have a problem with Nazi, given its historical context, if I felt it was part of an ongoing pattern of behaviour or if someone persisted when asked to stop.

What we've see on this forum is some members mention it once or twice, which I don't like but felt was understandable given that it's been used by Trump's own general (though he didn't actually apply it to Trump), then stop when challenged. It probably isn't a useful comparison and, yeah, it's offensive. I'll admit that my concern is more for the offence likely to be caused by survivors and their relatives by it's flippant use rather than for the offence caused to Far-Right Activists but it is offensive either way. I don't feel it's risen the level of meriting a ban but I agree that it's a comparison that should be avoided because it might head that way.

Aside: on the Nazi thing, I think people often miss the difference between Nazi and Neo-Nazi. The former existed at a particular point in history and refers to members of a particular political party. It's the actions they undertook that make flippant comparisons to them so offensive. Neo-Nazi is a catch all term for far right activists who embrace the imagery and ideology of the former but they haven't carried out atrocities on anything like the same scale. I'd still be pretty damn cautious before I call anyone a Neo-Nazi but it doesn't come with the same baggage as Nazi.



^I edited this a few times to (I hope) get my point across. If I've crossed over with anyone's responses and made theirs read wrong, it's probably my fault.

I on the other side do not need to over explain it.
If someone calls Trump a Nazi or Fascist should get a ban warning.
No need for all your explanation, that of course don't mind you doing so but I wouldn't feel the urge to protect a person when his is doin the racist.
Or, we can flip the door both ways. I can certainly say some things for Harris, which I haven't done yet.

If you're going to double down on this you may want to go back through the thread and see where discussion of Nazis started. It was Niya, in post 143. To be clear, he did not call anyone a Nazi, he said that "the Left wing" were calling Trump a Nazi but, notably, nobody on this forum had at that point. (Aside: They may be, I don't know but I don't think so. Trump was quoted as saying he wished his generals were more like the Nazi Generals which, as a military history nerd, I can kinda get - they were very good at their jobs, but that's not the same as calling him a Nazi. Wouldn't surprise me if some Left Wing talking heads have picked it up and run with it but I haven't heard them).

The closest anyone on this thread has come to calling Trump a Nazi was Wes, in the following post, who pointed out that Trump does meet part of the definition. He did not call Trump a Nazi.

Unless you feel it is the responsibility of the VBF Mods to police the entirety of the media you're tilting at windmills of your own creation.

As per black guy posts my friend.
Be just or don't it's up to you (plural) but it wasn't that hard to spot the racial post and warn people. Granted we did not warn people for Nazi comments as we where not looking at them but I propose to look for Nazi or Fascists from now on.
I certainly don't want wes to get a warning or anyone else but if we decide some "terms" that get a warning we have to implement it.
I don't get the : "VBF Mods to police the entirety of the media" , if you mean the entire of the posts created here then yes, it's you responsibility. Or you mean something else?

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

If you're going to double down on this you may want to go back through the thread and see where discussion of Nazis started. It was Niya, in post 143. To be clear, he did not call anyone a Nazi, he said that "the Left wing" were calling Trump a Nazi but, notably, nobody on this forum had at that point. (Aside: They may be, I don't know but I don't think so. Trump was quoted as saying he wished his generals were more like the Nazi Generals which, as a military history nerd, I can kinda get - they were very good at their jobs, but that's not the same as calling him a Nazi. Wouldn't surprise me if some Left Wing talking heads have picked it up and run with it but I haven't heard them).

The closest anyone on this thread has come to calling Trump a Nazi was Wes, in the following post, who pointed out that Trump does meet part of the definition. He did not call Trump a Nazi.

Unless you feel it is the responsibility of the VBF Mods to police the entirety of the media you're tilting at windmills of your own creation.

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Personally I don't see what is wrong with calling someone a Fascist or a Nazi if that is what they claim to be. Or if their beliefs are in line with those political positions you should be able to point that. They are political beliefs, right or wrong. I'm pretty sure people from both of those old beliefs are still alive.

Should we start banning people for calling others "democrats?". Well some may think so :p

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I don't get the : "VBF Mods to police the entirety of the media"

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The point was that nobody in this thread has called Trump a Nazi. So your outrage is entirely manufactured. If you're looking for people who have called him a Nazi then you'd have to be looking outside of this forum, we are not responsible for policing that.

As for the Fascist thing, I'm not planning on acting on that. Nazi refers to a particular set of people who carried out heinous atrocities, the survivors and relatives of which are still alive today and merit your (and everyone else's) consideration. Fascist is a political position. I believe it's misapplied to Trump but it is not offensive in the same way as Nazi, they are not equivalent. If I were to ban the word Fascist I would also ban "Socialist" which is equally misapplied. That's just silly on it's face.

I will say this, I'd ban calling people Pedos a whole lot sooner than I'd ban calling people Fascist.

And there we should end the discussion. It's not providing anything useful.

Good.
The Democrats are WOKE fascists. :rolleyes:

^And that is something you're fine to say.

You're wrong, but that's a different conversation;)

Edit> well, some of them probably are.

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And there we should end the discussion. It's not providing anything useful.

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I found it entertaining. lol

I aim to please

(...and get the last word...)

It feels like a lot of tap dancing and "killing the messenger" to avoid facing the issue.

The fact is we had a news commentator get fed up enough to walk off camera live and then quit over a media outlet's production of campaign ads for a candidate in lieu of news. A clear example of propagandizing and election influencing.

While not unprecedented, that's a pretty darned rare event. It carries more than undertones of "television's finest half-hour" (Edward R. Murrow). Maybe even more so his immediate predecessors who paid a steeper price for calling out McCarthyism.

But before that, Murrow took part in WW II propagandizing:

Edward R. Murrow's WWII "fake news" battle revealed
https://youtu.be/qpoD4LW771s?si=XhLYU9WDBzh6Ey4v

Much later Murrow reached a breaking point, his conscience winning the battle.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

^And that is something you're fine to say.

You're wrong, but that's a different conversation;)

Edit> well, some of them probably are.

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Agreed.
All Fascists are Democrats but only some Democrats are fascists. :D

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Kitty Werthmann, an Austrian World War II survivor, gives her account of Hitler's takeover of Austria. The similarities to today's left and their "progressive agenda", are staggering! This is a MUST WATCH!

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https://youtu.be/-awkYhtey50?si=aixCvDV4SCMk_oKe

But of course nobody will listen to her. Personal experience and inconvenient facts are irrelevant.


This is an eight year old re-upload.

In this "tiny" slice of history, in the corner of the world I live in, and other corners of the world, tomorrow is a pivotal point in history. The majority of people are voting red or blue with low information. I worry about the US experiment in democracy.

Geez finally here...I'm willing to bet withing weeks the media starts up on the 2026-28 elections.

Bias by moderators in online chatrooms can be identified and fixed, new research finds

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...t/75993590007/

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Those findings come as the University of Michigan released a new study last month probing how political bias in content moderation on social media feeds has the effect of creating so-called echo chambers.

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Researchers said the negative impact of this phenomenon can lead to a distorted view of what's normal.

In some cases, this could subvert democratic norms, they said, by radicalizing individuals, permitting misinformation and reducing trust in the outcomes of elections if they run counter to the skewed world created in online chat rooms.

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Hmm.

I'm somehow reminded of the tolerance for advocating assassination here, days before the first shooting. I wonder if TechnologyAdvice has a liability issue here?

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Originally Posted by dilettante

Bias by moderators in online chatrooms can be identified and fixed, new research finds

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...t/75993590007/




Hmm.

I'm somehow reminded of the tolerance for advocating assassination here, days before the first shooting. I wonder if TechnologyAdvice has a liability issue here?

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I wonder how it would handle racist posts :rolleyes:

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I'm somehow reminded of the tolerance for advocating assassination here, days before the first shooting.

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You might want to double up on your Ginkgo Biloba. That never happened.

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Bias by moderators in online chatrooms can be identified and fixed, new research finds... etc

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You weren't called out for your politics, you were called out for your racism. You called a black man "Uncle Tom" and referred to his place of business as "the plantation". I asked you not to do that, you doubled down, so you got a warning.

You've been posting your politics for 6 pages and haven't been called out once for it.

You can feign martyrdom if you wish but we can all read what you wrote.

So far it's looking good for Trump. The one silver lining if Trump wins is the press and Democrats get to make his life miserable for four more years. lol

The people have spoken in a very loud voice.

https://youtu.be/gGbDZGKoGtk?si=mzaEw2VmQ0Bbhi25

Yep, he's as good as won at this point. And strongly too.

Wonder how long before people start talking about overturning the term limit.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

Yep, he's as good as won at this point. And strongly too.

Wonder how long before people start talking about overturning the term limit.

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At my age I'm more worried about my own term limit. lol

The Dem's losing the senate majority makes this all the more worrisome. Hope for the best is all you can do now.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

The Dem's losing the senate majority makes this all the more worrisome. Hope for the best is all you can do now.

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I'd hope for the 25th amendment but the red team will still be in charge.

Landslide! Lol.

Next time look at the betting companies non? Or ask , will save you the stress ;)

Well now US is an antiwoke fascist state i guess. :D

And good riddance to them Wokers and the hive.

I have a question. When he will be inaugurated ?
I guess woke boys have some months ago to try to destroy and kill more people but will they actually have full power to do so as they are only typically in power?

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I'd hope for the 25th amendment

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I'll assume that was a reference to resignation, impeachment or incapacity. Lets not start hoping for death, whether you like him or not.

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When he will be inaugurated ?

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Jan 6th. Kind of a memorable date in recent history.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

I'll assume that was a reference to resignation, impeachment or incapacity. Lets not start hoping for death, whether you like him or not.

Jan 6th. Kind of a memorable date in recent history.

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What was jan 6th?....Ohhhh! Lol

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Originally Posted by dilettante

The people have spoken in a very loud voice.

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This doesn't surprise me one bit, I mean were Democrats really expecting average everyday people to support the insanities of the far left? The Democrats need to let go of the far left extremists if they ever hope to win another election.

I am also quite surprised that the Democrats didn't cheat. I do wonder though if it's for a lack of trying or if it's because they do have some sense of honor. I think it's the former but who really knows in these crazy times.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

You weren't called out for your politics, you were called out for your racism. You called a black man "Uncle Tom" and referred to his place of business as "the plantation". I asked you not to do that, you doubled down, so you got a warning.

You've been posting your politics for 6 pages and haven't been called out once for it.

You can feign martyrdom if you wish but we can all read what you wrote.

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Wow, who would have expected a Trump supporter to resort to racism!

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Originally Posted by Niya

This doesn't surprise me one bit, I mean were Democrats really expecting average everyday people to support the insanities of the far left? The Democrats need to let go of the far left extremists if they ever hope to win another election.

I am also quite surprised that the Democrats didn't cheat. I do wonder though if it's for a lack of trying or if it's because they do have some sense of honor. I think it's the former but who really knows in these crazy times.

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I know, such wild left wing ideas like "not being a sex offender".

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Originally Posted by Niya

This doesn't surprise me one bit, I mean were Democrats really expecting average everyday people to support the insanities of the far left? The Democrats need to let go of the far left extremists if they ever hope to win another election.

I am also quite surprised that the Democrats didn't cheat. I do wonder though if it's for a lack of trying or if it's because they do have some sense of honor. I think it's the former but who really knows in these crazy times.

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There is almost no cheating in US elections. Various Republicans have talked about it, and some have gone looking, but as far as I am aware, the only moderately organized cheating operations have proven to be on the right, which probably discouraged them from looking anymore.

I hope I can still afford to retire in a year.

Also, there IS another shoe left to drop. Trump spent the first few of the last four years hinting at a major medical issue that might prevent him from running. He then refused to disclose any medical records. So, is it there, and if so, what is it? There's one pretty obvious answer, since the "IQ Test" he was bragging about at the end of his first term is actually a test given sequentially over time to measure the progress of dementia.

It may also be nothing, since he didn't explicitly say that the thing that might prevent him from being able to run was medical, but...no other reason makes a whole lot of sense. It wouldn't be the first time, either. Roosevelt ran for his last term when it was pretty clear he wouldn't survive it, and didn't come close, while Reagan was almost certainly showing signs of the Alzheimer's that killed him soon after he left office (we might know for certain in about fifteen years).

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Originally Posted by Niya

This doesn't surprise me one bit, I mean were Democrats really expecting average everyday people to support the insanities of the far left? The Democrats need to let go of the far left extremists if they ever hope to win another election.

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Yeah, pretty much, since they weren't insanities. Seven abortion rights measures passed, and there would have been an eighth if Florida didn't require a super majority (which they nearly got). The conservative social issues didn't win. Where they were explicitly on the ballot, they lost with the exception of South Dakota (Nebraska is mostly weird, since they muddied the water so thoroughly). It was pretty much the economy from start to finish. Inflation happened under Biden. No sitting president has survived that since....well, I'm not sure if they have EVER survived that, since modern economic record keeping has been around.

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Originally Posted by Niya

This doesn't surprise me one bit, I mean were Democrats really expecting average everyday people to support the insanities of the far left? The Democrats need to let go of the far left extremists if they ever hope to win another election.

I am also quite surprised that the Democrats didn't cheat. I do wonder though if it's for a lack of trying or if it's because they do have some sense of honor. I think it's the former but who really knows in these crazy times.

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Are you going to off on another tangent then than say "I don't want to debate it in the name of peace?". Post #143

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If you would like to speak for yourself, please feel free to post :p

So Trump may have dementia and cannot continue but Biden was in top condition? Interesting.
I really like to see someone try remove Trump from the office with dementia when he becomes president.


As for Niya, I don't agree. Any Woke Democrats are going to crawl into their holes and wait and will not change their minds but we have 4 years to spray them with democracy! Sorry, I meant democratic fascism. :wave: :D

P.S. All check your logos :P

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Originally Posted by sapator

So Trump may have dementia and cannot continue but Biden was in top condition? Interesting.

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I don't know whether Biden was in top condition or not. I'm basing that on what Trump said and did. You don't just decide, "today's a fine day...I think I'll get tested for dementia!" We have a bajillion different tests one could take, including plenty of (dubious) IQ tests, if he wanted to take an IQ test. Why choose that one? Why choose ANY test? There may well be legitimate reasons, but none have ever been given. Trump then stated in a few interviews that "things" might prevent him from being able to run. That can also be several different things, but there aren't many that are likely other than health issues. Legal trouble, perhaps, but he made those statements long before he had been in court, and he certainly never thinks he'll lose, so that seems unlikely.

As for being removed, if he is, it will be by his own people.

Well...it is a fact, Trump won. Geez, I hate that! I think the world is worse off. But, he won and he is President. Strap in for the next four years, at least. Stars help us all and the world :wave:

I don't think the world is going to end any more than it did in his 1st term.

I can't imagine him even fantasizing about an additional term at his age. There is no way this one will be easy on him.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I don't know whether Biden was in top condition or not. I'm basing that on what Trump said and did. You don't just decide, "today's a fine day...I think I'll get tested for dementia!" We have a bajillion different tests one could take, including plenty of (dubious) IQ tests, if he wanted to take an IQ test. Why choose that one? Why choose ANY test? There may well be legitimate reasons, but none have ever been given. Trump then stated in a few interviews that "things" might prevent him from being able to run. That can also be several different things, but there aren't many that are likely other than health issues. Legal trouble, perhaps, but he made those statements long before he had been in court, and he certainly never thinks he'll lose, so that seems unlikely.

As for being removed, if he is, it will be by his own people.

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Better safe than sorry. It would be a great hoax if he also tested for breast cancer. :D

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Originally Posted by sapator

Better safe than sorry. It would be a great hoax if he also tested for breast cancer. :D

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How is that a hoax? Men can get breast cancer.

OK I take it back, bad joke about serious disease.

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Originally Posted by dilettante

I don't think the world is going to end any more than it did in his 1st term.

I can't imagine him even fantasizing about an additional term at his age. There is no way this one will be easy on him.

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If you are replying to me I said the world is worse off, nothing about an end to anything.

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Originally Posted by sapator

Better safe than sorry. It would be a great hoax if he also tested for breast cancer. :D

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That may be the case. I have no idea whether elderly presidents, all presidents, or...well, anybody else, gets routine cognition tests. They might. It wouldn't be a bad idea, when it comes to presidents, but the results would end up being suppressed simply because there's no mechanism to do otherwise. Still, I don't know a single elderly person who has taken such a test, just in case. When you couple that with his curious statements about some issue, it does make me wonder.

I was saying that a couple years ago, too, because it's the most likely answer. It's not the ONLY answer, though, so we'll see...or maybe we won't. Some presidential records are sealed for 50 years after they leave office...or maybe after they die. Perhaps we won't see any of Carter's records this century?

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Originally Posted by dilettante

I don't think the world is going to end any more than it did in his 1st term.

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Depends on whether he goes all Smoot-Hawley like he said he would.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Yeah, pretty much, since they weren't insanities. Seven abortion rights measures passed, and there would have been an eighth if Florida didn't require a super majority (which they nearly got). The conservative social issues didn't win. Where they were explicitly on the ballot, they lost with the exception of South Dakota (Nebraska is mostly weird, since they muddied the water so thoroughly). It was pretty much the economy from start to finish. Inflation happened under Biden. No sitting president has survived that since....well, I'm not sure if they have EVER survived that, since modern economic record keeping has been around.

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Yeah, I can understand why too. Everytime I go to the grocery store the last few years inflation is obvious. That's a big part of peoples budget. I'd also add in the cost of housing. Don't know about other states but it's a real problem here in CA. I know inflation is back down in the 2% range but the damage was done. That said, I don't think Trump/Republicans are going to make the situation any better. I just hope they don't make it worse.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

Jan 6th. Kind of a memorable date in recent history.

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No, that was the date the 2020 election was certified. By law the inauguration takes place between 73 and 79 days after the presidential election. So it will be January 20th, 2025. Hopefully Biden can stay awake through the whole thing. :lol:

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

I know inflation is back down in the 2% range but the damage was done. That said, I don't think Trump/Republicans are going to make the situation any better. I just hope they don't make it worse.

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Biden's first act in office was to reverse all of Trump's energy policies causing fuel prices to skyrocket. And when fuel costs more everything else follows. Of course all that money printing (and a lot of it was at the end of Trumps' first term) certainly didn't help, either. Those policies will go back into place January 20.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

I'd also add in the cost of housing. Don't know about other states but it's a real problem here in CA.

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I'll sell you my house in Cleveland right now for $120K. Nice neighborhood and lowest crime rate in the city 'cause all the cops live here. There are advantages to living in an area no one else wants to. lol

What were those energy policies?

First election impact, Germany rattling right now, probably will go to elections soon with patriotic parties at the gates.

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Biden's first act in office was to reverse all of Trump's energy policies causing fuel prices to skyrocket. And when fuel costs more everything else follows. Of course all that money printing (and a lot of it was at the end of Trumps' first term) certainly didn't help, either. Those policies will go back into place January 20.

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What type of fuel are you referring to?? If it's gas then yes there was a spike after exceptionally low gas prices in 2020. But those low prices were due to a glut of oil because of COVID. I don't know what energy policies your talking about.

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Originally Posted by sapator

First election impact, Germany rattling right now, probably will go to elections soon with patriotic parties at the gates.

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Why is that an election impact? Germany has been heading down steadily. The government coalition is very unpopular and the economy is in the toilet. That was true last week, it isn't any less or more true today.

Trump ended up with fewer total votes than he got in 2020. He won largely because Harris did much worse than Biden.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Trump ended up with fewer total votes than he got in 2020. He won largely because Harris did much worse than Biden.

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That may be true. Not sure how many votes are left to be counted. There are 39 House seats yet to be called.

It does appear to be a lower voter turnout this election. That surprises me. Maybe all the controversy over COVI*D drove an exceptionally high voter turnout last time.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

What were those energy policies?

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Aw, geez... it was almost four years ago so I don't remember the specifics, but look up Biden's executive order #7 and it went on from there.

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Originally Posted by wes4dbt

It does appear to be a lower voter turnout this election.

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What it is? Something like 15 million D votes that miraculously evaporated between 2020 and 2024?

Yeah it seems unlikely people just stayed home.

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Originally Posted by dilettante

What it is? Something like 15 million D votes that miraculously evaporated between 2020 and 2024?

Yeah it seems unlikely people just stayed home.

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Definitely something nefarious happened. lol

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Why is that an election impact? Germany has been heading down steadily. The government coalition is very unpopular and the economy is in the toilet. That was true last week, it isn't any less or more true today.

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OMG with questioning everything! :D
He left- he fired - the guy on the elections day. Dammit! :wave:

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Originally Posted by dilettante

What it is? Something like 15 million D votes that miraculously evaporated between 2020 and 2024?

Yeah it seems unlikely people just stayed home.

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They lost now because reps where prepared for this , they where not newbies...Or nothing happened, who cares? The black clouds have been lifted :p