What about birds of prey, birds that prey on other birds, would you eat eagles. falcons, osprey, and other large raptors?
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What about birds of prey, birds that prey on other birds, would you eat eagles. falcons, osprey, and other large raptors?
I would try them, but like here in Louisiana, shooting eagles are illegal. However, vultures... you can forget about.
I didn't, really. It's just all there was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
That would have worked to some extent. It doesn't allow you to determine the start and end of the message because you wouldn't be able to determine whether to read N-S, or E-W without trial and error, though you'd be able to make a very good guess IF the message left significant numbers of bits at the end.Quote:
I don't quite see the problem, you just zero fill the last few unused bytes and it is then possible to determine exactly where the start and end of the message are.
Still, I wanted the red in there for aesthetic reasons, as mentioned earlier. After all, the real point of the excersize was to not have to mow as much grass, and to have a nice patio in my back yard. The binary pattern was just an easter egg.
Historically, the byte may have been the number of bits used to encode a single character of text in a computer, but also historically: There was no rule that a byte had to be 8 bits. Other size bytes have been used on various old systems. The 8-bit byte is nice because it's a power of 2, but a seven bit byte is more compact and does the job just as well, while a 9 bit byte allows for error checking built into the byte. So, both have been used at times.Quote:
However, an 8 bit binary pattern would have needed no introduction or special markers, e.g. "Historically, the byte was the number of bits used to encode a single character of text in a computer" - wiki
True. That is the main role, but not the ONLY role.Quote:
You designed your binary pattern so that red functions as a visual character delimiter, so that is their main role in the pattern.
The message is still there and is not destroyed. I already stated the only rules needed to read it.Quote:
I am not convinced that you can use red tiles for multiple purposes if doing so interferes with or destroys the message you encoded.
Got it wrong, once again. The equals sign is usually reversible. If A = B then B = A, and that is not the case here. Character delimiter = Red, but Red != character delimiter. So, the equals sign is a poor choice, and you wrote it backwards anyways. I've stated it correctly at least four times, including the text you quoted, and you STILL got it wrong. That's what the whole thing has been about. You stubbornly ignore what I'm actually saying in favor of a slight, but fallatious, misconstruction. Get that piece sorted in your own head and you will see that the pattern is not flawed.Quote:
Red = character delimiter, got it.
That's true. Fill at the end of the message would appear to be vertical based on the point of view of the picture. The top of the picture is North, too, so you are correct in saying that the reading is on the N-S axis rather than E-W (though I leave it up to you whether it is south to north or north to south).Quote:
Further the only obvious 7 bit pattern occurs reading the pattern bottom to top (rather than from left to right or right to left) in the pic your posted, meaning that any fill at the end of your message should only occur vertically rather than horizontally.
Well, no, the red is there to make the back yard more visually pleasing, as the tan and gray bricks are relatively low contrast.Quote:
The red is there to trick you into thinking it is a trinary pattern when it is actually a binary pattern.
By now, not only do I doubt that you are quoting me correctly, I also doubt that you are understanding the words I used correctly, but I'm not going to go figure out which post you are quoting from several pages back. If you want to give me a post number, I will go have a look. Otherwise, I'm going to assume you made that up.Quote:
You originally said that the extra red tiles throw off the binary pattern.
Just follow the rules that exist, not the ones you want to exist.Quote:
Extra red tiles laid in the wrong place can easily throw off the pattern.
Sure, but neither of those are practical solutions. You can't seriously have a gap without something in it. If I didn't add vegetation, nature would take care of that on its own. I could have made some kind of planter every eigth tile, except that it would make for a HORRIBLE patio. Half tiles would be better than that, but would look terrible, as the rows of bricks would sometimes line up and other times not line up. Keep in mind, that the ultimate goal was to have a backyard patio, not to write a message. The message is secondary.Quote:
Although a 7 bit pattern would be a tricky pattern to spot. A gap or a couple of half tiles could also have functioned as a delimiter.
The end of the message is on the other picture, which I didn't add to this thread.Quote:
But the extra red tiles do, particularly as they do not seem to function as fill at the end of the message.
The latest line of discussion is dangerous. I had forgotten about the moral superiority of eating carnivores.
As I was headed home two days ago, I noticed a squirrel sitting on a railing eating something. What it was eating looked kind of odd, and I was on the fourth floor of a parking garage, so it wasn't like the squirrel was sitting near the ground eating a nut. Therefore, I got out of the car to get a better look at what the squirrel was eating: It was a bird.
I then turned on the radio and caught a mention of somebody talking about seeing cute, furry, woodland creatures and bright, colorful, birds. At which point I thought, "I just saw a cute, furry, woodland creature eating a bird. Does that count?"
People may not think of squirrels as carnivores, as they generally are not...but sometimes they are. Deer have been observed eating chicks, too. It's all a lot fuzzier than people expect.
I love squirrel and I love deer, but Witis asked about non-mammals.
That's easy... you eat the tasty ones!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Just all there was, you mean you didn't set out to make your backyard into an homage to the colour red?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Excatly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Yes you must like the colour red, a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
How many folks have discovered and deciphered your egg thus far?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
But everyone knows it is eight bit binary which is most likely to hold characters. 8DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
At last Shaggy agrees that the red tiles are the delimiter!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
How can that be when you added some extra red tiles to throw a visual error and interfere with or destroy the meaning in the message?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Do you mean the rules that you invented a couple of days ago to cover up your anti-binary behaviours, and that can't be deduced by anyone looking at the message?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Nah, the main role of the red tiles is to act as a character delimiter, you just agreed a second ago in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
No, I have established that the red tiles are the delimiter but you have still not clarified the role of the extra red tiles you added. In your last post you said they were fill at the end of the pattern, what are they now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
So if they are not fill at the end of the message what is the purpose of those extra red tiles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
More visually pleasing, yes, red is his colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Post #55823 "I also see that there are some extra red bricks in the upper left corner of that picture, which are now covered by a raised bed, but would throw off the pattern in the picture."Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
You mean that you want me to follow the rules that you invented a couple of days ago to cover up your furtive anti-binary behaviours. No thanks. Those rules cannot be deduced by anyone and therefore cannot apply, instead it seems very clear that you added the extra red tiles to throw an error and obstruct or block any attempts to decipher the encoded message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Sure they are, a gap and half tiles are both relatively cheap and easy ways to create a delimiter in the pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Use your imagination Shaggy, a gap can definitely work as a delimiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Sniff, you used to care about binary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
So what are those red tiles doing in the picture you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Why so many quotes in all y'all's post?!
I didn't say that it was morally superior to eat carnivores, however, using science to determine the moral character of each animal might come in handy. =^.^=Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
To be fair, nobody has had the chance. None of my friends are computer geeks, so they wouldn't bother, and those who could were all family, so they knew about it before I wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
No. Once again you are getting it wrong. The delimiters are red tiles, but red tiles are not delimiters. If you say it correctly, you will (possibly) think about it correctly.Quote:
At last Shaggy agrees that the red tiles are the delimiter!
That's kind of funny, actually. It proves itself to be wrong, which makes it kind of a clever paradox.Quote:
Do you mean the rules that you invented a couple of days ago to cover up your anti-binary behaviours, and that can't be deduced by anyone looking at the message?
You don't get to establish anything. The rules are what they are. You decided that they are something else and you are trying to state that the pattern is wrong because it doesn't fit with your mistaken conception of the rules.Quote:
No, I have established that the red tiles are the delimiter but you have still not clarified the role of the extra red tiles you added. In your last post you said they were fill at the end of the pattern, what are they now?
They are both cheap and easy, to be sure. The half tiles would only appeal to somebody with no taste, though, because your columns would line up at times, then not, then line up again. Humans (and quite possibly other animals) appear to be hard coded to find such patterns unappealing. We like to follow lines, and that would create jaggedness. Gaps would have a different problem, as they would be filled in by weeds....and would otherwise be tripping hazards, which is far from ideal in a patio.Quote:
Sure they are, a gap and half tiles are both relatively cheap and easy ways to create a delimiter in the pattern.
Squirrels "are predominantly herbivorous, subsisting on seeds and nuts, but many will eat insects and even small vertebrates" (wiki) i.e. they are actually omnivores unless they cannot digest the insects and vertebrates they consume. As far as I am aware deer are herbivores not omnivores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I hope you mean you love them rather than love to eat them, and yes I did ask about non-mammals.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
Would you murder an animal just because it tastes good?Quote:
Originally Posted by homer13j
Ah yes, that one. Combine the fact that I used pattern to mean two different things in the previous posts, plus your dubious reading comprehension....and I'll just leave it at that. It was a poor choice of words on my part, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Well, I wouldn't for any OTHER reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
They are generally considered to be. They don't have the teeth for eating meat, but something like a chick, which can be eaten hole, they have been known to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Hmmm, that confirms my suspicions, you added the extra red tiles, and no-one has deciphered your message. Would you now call the addition of the extra red tiles a success?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I dunno Shaggy it doesn't read like you are making too much sense to me, I think clarifying the role of the extra red tiles is the key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Where is the error?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Too late, I have already established that the main role of the red tiles is to act as a character delimiter and you agreed. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I merely noticed the obvious error you inserted into your binary pattern, then you tried to cover it up by inventing some rules. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
You can use two half tiles to make everything line up neatly, and I am sure that you can work out how to insert a gap without generating a tripping hazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Yes, that post. I can only call it an unambiguous anti-binary confession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
°o°!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker