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Although that sort of incident is usually an example of gross police corruption,Quote:
Originally Posted by homer13j
for example there have been recent reports of Harley Davidson Bikie gangs such as the Bandidos cultivating and infiltrating the police force,
which is then a case for IID (Internal Investigations Division)!
The youth of today!!
Haven't you ever heard of "The Prince and the Pauper"?
These days now that "The British Royal Family is financed mainly by public money" it seems to have lost much if not all of its relevance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
In Blackadder it could only be a pun, although I guess he could have got it a different way if the following is actually true:Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleDuncan
"Technically, the Queen still owns the sturgeons, whales and dolphins in the waters around the U.K. A statute from 1324, during the reign of King Edward II, states, "Also the King shall have ... whales and sturgeons taken in the sea or elsewhere within the realm." This statute is still valid today, and sturgeons, porpoises, whales and dolphins are recognized as "fishes royal": when they are captured within 3 miles (about 5 km) of U.K. shores or wash ashore, they may be claimed on behalf of the Crown."
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Did anyone else descry the presence of acherontia styx in this thread???
BTW, Glock is pronounced G-lock (Gee-Lock). As in, you should have said, "I went dun got me a gee lock!"
A box of $14 .22 is now $37 at Midway. And it's still on back order... It's not so much the cost, but the fact that you can't get ammo when you want it. Bullets are reasonably plentiful (for my caliber), but primers and powder are a dead loss. Guns aren't hard to come by, even AR15s, but they end up being an expensive club without ammo. Which reminds me of Boris the Blade from my favorite movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX0MB7pJtKs (Caution: volume down, NSFW, there's a swear word :o)
The next gun I am looking to buy is a S&W M&P 15-22. The only problem is that these are backordered as well the the ammo for it is backordered as you said. I am considering just starting to find .22 and buying it now so when/if I can get the gun i will have a stock pile of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
In what country?? We can speak hick pretty fluently out here, but we don't pronounce it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
Isn't that the point? If you make an expensive club there'll be lots of people wanting to join.Quote:
Guns aren't hard to come by, even AR15s, but they end up being an expensive club without ammo.
I bought a Taurus PT 92 Para 9 mm last night. No waiting period...just walked in, bought it, walked out with it. I did have to pass the background check though.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
17 in the clip and one in the pipe.
I was at a gun show a few weeks ago; there was perhaps 10 to 12 M&P 15-22 rifles at basically list price (as well as a Savage Arms 110BA in 338 Lapua, but that's another story). But it is ammo, ammo, ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
While the US gov. is 'stockpiling', it's also individuals stockpiling, too. A double whammy. A lot of ammunition manufacturers are contracted to prioritize federal orders.
You mean 'in the mag', of course. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I thought it was 15 round mags? The Beretta is 15 for the full size. Perhaps Taurus cram a couple more rounds in their magazine...
Yes magazine...the purists hate people like me calling them clips. It just depends on what you buy. I have some 30 round "mags" for my 1911 model Colt .45. It looks silly as hell but probably not if you are on the other end. But the 17 round mag came stock with the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
Stupid California and their gun laws. 10 day waiting period. And i can only have 10 + 1 rounds in my gun...Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I don't think the politicians have much to do with this, other than passing or rejecting whatever law ends up being brought up. For an issue like this, they aren't sitting around in some kind of sound-proof room making up legislation. They are all being tugged in many different directions at once. The legislation that comes out of such a scenario tends to be a bit weird. One side is insisting that they do something. The other side is insisting that they do not. A third side is pushing for a very specific kind of a thing, and you end up with some kind of compromise legislation that doesn't meet any side perfectly and isn't really a middle ground because it makes no sense.
This doesn't just have to do with legislation, as I suspect that this is one of the primary driving forces in speciation, so I think it has to do with the evolution of some types of systems over time. The legislative branch on highly charged issues is just one example of such a system, with the added quirk that an otherwise non-viable animal can result so that we can see what it looks like.
By the way, it is my understanding that Glock made an absolute killing on magazine restriction legislation. All such legislation grandfathered in existing magazines, and Glock saw the restriction coming and ramped up production. When the legislation passed, their stock became FAR more valuable than it had been previously. Therefore, while people argue one way or another about magazine restrictions, the position of the manufacturers may be considerably different from what people expect it to be. In a way, it echoes the whole drug debate: The profit on an illegal drug is VASTLY higher than the profit on a legal drug (unless you hold a patent, in some cases), and much of the legislation is written such that the increased profit is legally baked in as far as the manufacturers are concerned such that they can have the profit without the risk of doing anything illegal.
So, you might say that they bought it all, Glock, stock, and barrel.
Screwdrivers are cheaper and will get you locked up just as fast if you carry them around in public. Also, you can't build an Ikea "Liatorp" shelving unit with a Glock 40*
I forgot where I was going with this.
* To be honest you can't build an Ikea "Liatorp" shelving unit with a screwdriver either -- it is quite beyond the wit of Man.
I can't even SAY it, let alone build it, Glock or no.
Have you ever attempted to build it with a Glock? Don't prove it wrong until it has been tested!
WIZARD of OZ!
One of the funniest episodes ever...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIpLd0WQKCY
Me shooting an AR. WOO
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Guns should be used only when it is needed to save yourself not for terror purpose...
I took a CCW class and applied for my CCW permit in Nevada. Should be worth it.
What's with US people and allowing guns. Constantly someone will flip, go in a school and start shooting. Meh.
I shot handheld - rifles - cannons - flamethrowers - lasers (in some point i think i may have exaggerated) in the army (mandatory in Greece) and any hidden wishes i had to fire a gun came true and went away. So after that i ehh kinda stopped thinking about guns (aka ksekaulosa), I don't know, something about not like everyone get one and start killing each other.
Anyhow here the people that have guns are politicians and the richest businessmen. Probably worried that they may be in danger because they are screwing the Greek people, and they are correct but personally i wouldn't use a gun on them, nope, too peaceful....I mean the gun is too peaceful for them. I would have used piranha or a nice boiling or crucifixion or conium, ahh the good ol' days! So imagine (now that you have seen that i am an unstable revengeful fellow) allowing me to have a gun and i just happen to come across a politician. Should i use it for my own protection? After all he is stilling my money and country, let alone that i would be doing everyone a favor.
Ok so the conclusion is that you are allowed guns so at least use them for a good cause, rather than hunting down innocent animals. Help your country, you alone can kill a lawyer, try it, it's good fun!
Gun collection..Mouhahaharr. What do you do? I collect guns. Wanna see mine? Mine is bigger!
They are much more effective than throwing stones...Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
On that note... I bought my second gun yesterday at the Sports Fair. Smith and Wesson 15 Sport
I will have to keep it at a friends house because my dad told me he will not allow a Rifle in this house. Still worth it.
The friend is a girl and she lives only with her mother. No one ever visits their house. The gun will be hidden away in a closet. Even contemplating buying a cheap safe just for their house. Saw a long gun safe on sale for like $90... Thats good enough for what I need, for now.
I can guarantee they do not want possession of my gun. And in California, guns are required to be registered. Until I transfer the gun, I will remain the owner. I run into trouble if someone steals my gun and commits a crime with it.
If I place it in a safe in their house and I am the only one with keys, Its in my possession.
I'm originally from Texas. When you travel to Texas the first thing they do is check you for guns. And if you don't have any, they give you one. :D
I'm soon to buy a Taurus .45. Why a .45 you ask? Because they don't make a .46.
My wife told me if I buy a gun she'll divorce me. .... I'll miss her. :cool:
Supposedly there is a city in Alaska that requires you to own a gun. You can get cited if you do not have a gun on you.
You must not be keeping up with current events :D
Well...maybe not that current but for many purists they are still scum. They are slowly getting their reputation back after what was perceived by many as selling out to the federal government. For awhile their name was in the gutter and I think a English company owns them now. I think it was around 2000 when "when faced with sliding sales and a series of government lawsuits pushed by gun control advocates, it reached an agreement with the Clinton administration aimed at policing sales and promoting safety measures. Many distributors and dealers refused to stock Smith & Wesson guns".
It's too bad because personally I pretty much consider them quality guns. I think the boycott, for what it was worth, may be over now.
They probably aren't worried about the same thing that people in the lower 48 worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
By the way, this quote:
Probably caused a lawyer to giggle. I'd say something more explicit, but it might be in poor tasts.Quote:
Ownership is lost when acquisitive prescription accrues in favor of an adverse possessor.
Just saw this...
I have been teaching civilians, military and LEO for the past decade, many of these students will run out and purchase a firearm without knowing if the firearm fits them properly. With that said, Glock pistols prior to generation 4 did not fit properly into the hands of many people which leads to struggling with the firearm to get good hits on target. Make sure to get professional training (especially being in CA where they are extremely strict with firearms as I am sure you already have found out). When you do get trained hopefully those who teach will not have you doing what I call "listen for the trigger reset" and then pull the trigger again. Competition shooters using Glock pistols will shave milliseconds off their times by using this technique which is bad for the street (feel free to PM me for more on this).
In regards to the Glock trigger, being the owner of (and I am more in favor of 1911's) G19, G26, G30, G23, G27 all second generation I can say that they are not overly sensitive unless you were to compare them with say a S&W revolver. If it bothers you then Google "Glock New York Trigger " which will in simple terms increase what it takes to pull the trigger.
Glock handguns have all internal safeties which is great, the real safety is "keeping your finger off the trigger until ready to pull the trigger". When drawing from a holster, your hand should resemble how children pretend their hand is a pistol, index finger on side of firearm frame, not the slide, same for placing the firearm back in the holster.
In regards to .40 S&W cartridge, not bad in regards to stopping power. Search enough on Google and you are bound to find articles that say they blow up. As mentioned early, I teach and have thousands of hours on the range with all types of firearms, many being Glock's chambered for .40 and never seen a Kaboom.
Magazines, if you can't find hi-cap PM me, got tons which I purchased right before Clinton did his thing with magazine restrictions
In closing, Glock's are one of the most reliable pistols you can buy yet at the same time as mentioned earlier may not fit. Fourth gen have removable backstraps while to do the same with earlier models there is a process to reduce the backstrap to better fit smaller hands.
Very good idea to stock pile. I purchased 5000 rounds of .223 several years ago and 30 cents a round, they are in a gun safe now. Try buying .223 in bulk now and expect to pay a great deal more. Did the same with handgun ammo and shotgun ammo but on a lesser scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
In all honesty, I dont understand why people would consider putting a finger on the trigger if you dont intend on shooting. Obviously there are stupid people. Since I got my holster (Blackhawk Serpa) I have heard a lot of of stories of people getting "Glock Leg". When practicing unholstering, I have yet to catch myself putting my finger on the trigger. My finger always ends up on the side of the gun extended all the way out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevininstructor
I originally did not want to get a glock chambered in .40, but I settled on it because it was the only gun they had in stock that I was comfortable with. I havent had a problem with 40 and I have gone through several hundred rounds of Reloads without a problem.Quote:
In regards to .40 S&W cartridge, not bad in regards to stopping power. Search enough on Google and you are bound to find articles that say they blow up. As mentioned early, I teach and have thousands of hours on the range with all types of firearms, many being Glock's chambered for .40 and never seen a Kaboom.
It is illegal to import or manufature hi-cap mags in California. So no need lol.Quote:
Magazines, if you can't find hi-cap PM me, got tons which I purchased right before Clinton did his thing with magazine restrictions
In regards to "Glock leg", I can see this happen but only from human error, not the firearm.
Technically, it is almost ALWAYS human error.
So far I love my Glock and it hasn't given me any problems. I recently shot a M&P 380 Bodyguard, LAPD model. I really liked the trigger pull on it. It was way longer than the glock pull but I didnt anticipate the bang as much as I do with the Glock.
Glock legQuote:
Originally Posted by kevininstructor
A condition where a person shoots himself (or herself) in the leg while holstering their Glock pistol.
This can happen with any weapon yielded by a careless user, but it is common among Glock pistols due to the lack of a manual safety, relatively light trigger pull, and lack of a proper hammer to push on while holstering.
How is Jim doing? I heard that he came down with a case of Glock leg at the range yesterday.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=Glock%20leg
I was really surprised to get so many hits on "Glock leg" on Google. Some really beat up on them. I never cared for them just because how they feel and don't know much about them. Give me a model 1911 Colt .45 any day.
There are some unkind comments about Glock in this thread:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=537286
I have several full size (not into compacts because of muzzle flash is greater with compacts) 1911's, Kimber, Springfield, Para and Colt. Out of these the Kimber is my EDC and my Springfield is my backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I assume you have a CCW? I would, however California is May Issue (more like May Not Issue). I recently applied for my Nevada CCW.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevininstructor
How the hell do i un subscribe? FDFDPSLKL@$#_)@#$(@(#$ @($@$(_ DAMMM!!! Dammm... wait , i think i found it...
I have a CCW or CHL for OR, NH, FL and UT, also a NRA instructor and Certified arm security in OR. I know all to well about CA, our group was invited down to CA back in 2002 to teach a department, we asked for temp CHL and were denied because they thought this would lead to others asking and would start a trend, go figure. Yep CA should be called "Screw you but we will take your money anyways"Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
BTW This is where I teach Jacobe Group LLC, on the main page I am listed as Kevin Gallagher with a link to my personal page.
OR, NH, FL, and UT? So....let me guess....did this selection involve a dartboard?
Would seem that way :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
OR - My home state
NH - Took instructor training there over the years, also allows me to carry in PA where I have family
FL - Have friends there, also teach and train
UT - Never been there, it is cheaper to have this than a WA which neighbors OR.
Our group teachs/certifies for state requirements for OR and UT.
I took my CCW class in Nevada and subsequently applied for Nevada. The place also touched on Florida law and gave me a packet to apply in Florida. They said that applying for both Florida and Nevada gives the most coverage. I havent applied for Florida (yet) because its $112 fee.
Depending on where you live in California, its easier to get a CCW. In the North and east counties it is a lot easier than in LA/OC/SD. Kern County will issue one on the spot (or so I heard) where as Orange County requires a background, polygraph, interview, psych, etc all paid by the person applying. It could easily run up to $500 just to carry concealed. There is one loop hole: if you happen to know a Chief of Police or Sheriff, they can issue CCW to anyone.
I had a .50 caliber desert eagle once. I was pretty cool but it was more a toy than a practicable hand gun. Now that shot out a flame :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kevininstructor
DE are way cool for plinking at the range, I never owned one but a friend does. When they take others out shooting they are given one round in the DE because several times a shooter screwed up and ended up shooting a second round in the air or the pistol would come back, hit them in the face, shooter flinched, pulled off another round. Yep, nice flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Interesting that the ad in the upper left corner for me is about concealed carry information. That's not very programing related, as most of the ads are, so it must have picked up on the thread topic.
I hit refresh five times, out of the five only one was remotely related to computer stuff, cloud ad.
I got an ad for engine oil
:lol::lol::lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
I get to pick up my AR-15 tomorrow at 1300 :D so excited. Then I have to buy some .223 ammo. 1000 rounds for $600... :(
Be happy you can get .223, when I saw the trend of ammo going up in price I purchased 5,000 at thirty cents a round (about 6-8 years ago), down to around 1500 now
What brand is the AR you are getting i.e. Bush master, Colt etc.
If you are looking for a really good sling look at the one 5.11 company has.
You would be lucky to find any in Ohio.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
Find the gun shows. While it won't exactly be cheap, if you get there early, you might catch it before they are all gone. However, I'd educate yourself on different types of ammo in a given caliber: it's not all the same - cheap ammo may be cheap for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
Having said all that, it wouldn't surprise me if Cali doesn't have gun shows...
Estate sales are (not in all states) a great place to pickup "black guns" but not good for ammo.
The grip on that thing is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Once again, my Favorite movie to the rescue!
Bullet tooth Tony, and Desert Eagle .50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivz4NA4zHzQ
I love 5.11! And I got a S&W M&P 15 Sport. I threw on a Primary Arms 30mm Red dot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevininstructor
Yeah I have done research. This ammo is Federal ammo and its the decent stuff. I bought the cheap stuff and found out I cant shoot it anywhere because its a fire hazard. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
Pick the right time of year and you can't even shoot a bow and arrow up here due to the fire hazard. That's not an exageration, either, though it sounds like it ought to be. I know somebody who barely got on top of the range fire they started when they missed a target and hit a rock with an arrow. That was all it took.
This discussion does remind me how nuts you all are in the good old U S of A, (meant in the nicest possible way:D:D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I don't know anyone who owns a gun (btw - air rifles don't count), I have never even met anyone who owns a gun , and when i walk down the street i can pretty much guarantee nobody has a gun.
Sometime you do hear about gun crime in the UK and it tends to go like this - some young gang member has shot another young gang member today in the poorest area in the city.
The average person will never and i mean never come into contact with a gun and i for one am quite happy about that i don't find my life of any less value because of it, in fact i barely think about it.