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They are discussing over 50 now. Meh.I won't start again we talked about this so, meh.
They are getting desperate because
A)Elections
B)Need to sell more vaccines to get commission.
In our company we had 5 people omicroning out, just couch as sore throat.
I think we are over, so if you want to vaccinate you better hurry. Or shoot another one. Do a flu or one for rabies or mizzles .
It would never fly in the US, but it WOULD make sense in the US, depending on what they do with the money. Those who can't get vaccinated would have to be exempted, but otherwise it's a voluntary lifestyle tax. We have LOADS of those: Expenses paid out of habit rather than necessity.
Yeah, and throw in a fancy coffee, too.
However, it's the lottery tickets that are the most interesting. This was a hotly debated item in the NH legislature. NH has no broad based taxes (or at least it didn't when I lived there), so there was no income or sales tax. That meant that all taxes came from 'interesting' sources. A big one was alcohol, which was sold by the state (I'm not sure that there were any private liquor stores, though I think beer was sold in grocery stores), the other was property taxes, which were pretty sky high due to the lack of any other tax source. Lottery tickets were pushed as a way to replace property taxes for school funding. Of course, that meant that lottery tickets were a voluntary tax of a sort. The people who paid it were the people who played it. Those people skewed poor, so the effect of the lottery was an additional tax on the poor. That didn't necessarily sit well with everybody.
For simply logic, being vaccinated or not is for you, not for the others.
If you believe that (these) vaccines do what vaccines are supposed to do, that means they prevent infections or if not totally at least severe illness, you have nothing to fear about unvaccinated people, you are protected.
This fear to the unvaccinated from some people is totally irrational (fear is an emotion).
IDK whether the governments and people in charge are pushing these things also based on their own fears of because they have other interests, both would be very bad.
Nobody should be mandated, or even coerced, blackmailed or bribed in any way into injecting some experimental genetic thing into their bodies. Something that is not even publicly disclosed what it is (the actual scientific data).
Even people very pro-covid-vaccines should defend these basic rights.
Even if you choose to trust multinational companies, you should advocate for the right of people in having the freedom of not trusting the companies that they don't want to trust.
I think that some of these companies are criminal organizations.
Yeah, in Ca. the lottery was sold as, the profits will go to the schools. But what they didn't mention is that other school funding methods would be reduced. The schools didn't benefit. Sneaky little devils.Quote:
Lottery tickets were pushed as a way to replace property taxes for school funding.
exactly Eduardo-
but many, many people don't understand this at all. contrary, they think its the right thing.
and this is not just vaccines. its quite common people are "forcing" their own belief on others. just look at the world. religions, culture, social rules, etiquette etc.
such as a thing is abortion.
a bunch of religious people want to control a woman's body telling her: we decide if you can keep or not your fetus that your own body created. you have no saying in this.
this for me is the same thing. you are not asking the woman if she want to be part of the collective mind and follow the belief, but instead force her to follow it without her giving a chance to protest.
its tyranny, and its not only the government but people in groups that demands this tyranny to take place.
The vaccines are the same. theres groups of people that want you to follow the collective mind and they don't care at all of the individual needs.
they don't care about democracy, not until it will affect them. and only then they will start to think about what they have done, and many times its too late.
to not vaccinate is about this, to not succumb to the growth of tyranny. more you let the government rule over you, more they take. once the government gets a mandate to force people into something its very hard to remove.
that is why we have this totalitarian change in the world, governments will only increase their own power until people will be forced to obey.
so, you should be scared when you read: taxes on unvaccinated, covid-certificates, vaccine mandates etc.
because if the government would recommend this 3 years ago it wouldn't work. it would be unacceptable, but now, its seems to be the new norm how their operate.
they don't care, they don't feel bad when they dictate what people should do and not do. they are inside your home telling you how to think and behave. its very close to be a dictatorship.
Not only about abortion, but also veganism and other things. They want to impose to others how to think and what to do.Quote:
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People that don't even consider that they might be wrong.Quote:
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I think the last goal is to go to a global dictatorship.Quote:
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These are just the first steps.
A few years ago we used to read about what is happening in China, in Nor Korea, in Iran and we thought "poor people" they don't have access to information, they don't have free speech, they are put in jail if they oppose...
Hello!! Now is happening here, and nobody seems to realize or care.
As long as the censored and jailed ones are the ones that don't think like you some people seems to think it is OK.
And it is just the start.
They majority of the people in US hospitals with Covid-19 are unvaccinated. The hospitals are so overwhelmed they are turning away elective surgery. Ambulances are rerouted to alternative hospitals. The government is sending military medical personnel to help overburdened hospitals. Then they get to the hospital and put all the staff at risk. I fear the unvaccinated because their selfishness, baring exemptions, is hurting our society in extreme ways. What really points out their selfishness is they just don't get it. No matter how apparent the facts are.Quote:
This fear to the unvaccinated from some people is totally irrational (fear is an emotion).
IDK whether the governments and people in charge are pushing these things also based on their own fears of because they have other interests, both would be very bad.
right now in the latest news here in sweden:
- In 2020, a profit record of 5.8 billion was broken and in the annual report, CEO Irene Svenonius, who officially calls herself a finance regional council, boasts that the company has not shown a loss a single year since 2007. (Hospitals here in Sweden)
- The director increases his salary by 12%, while those on the floor receive 2%. And that in a situation where the staff has worked like animals to deal with a pandemic.
- The statistics on how many are cared for for covid-19 can be misleading. Several regions are now alerting public health authority that the figures may be lower. The reason is that even people who are admitted for, for example, bone fractures but who have tested positive for covid-19 are classified as covid-19 patients, even though in practice this is a co-diagnosis.
before the pandemic:
- Overcrowding and relocations have increased every year since 2014. The figures for all reported months 2018 included in our report are higher than the corresponding month in 2017, so there does not seem to be any improvement that year either.
- Between 2014 and 2019, the number of overcrowding and outpatients in the country increased from about four per 100 care places to just over seven.
- Between 2010 and 2020, the number of completed doctor visits decreased from 7.4 million to 5.9 million.
and a lot more.
if you put it together you understand the problem.
here we had a big problem 2019, that was people waiting +6 months to start with their cancer treatment. theres cases people waited years before they got help. many people died before they got a chance.
nurses that quit their job, because it was not sustainable anymore.
with the pandemic, contrary to what media wrote, the hospitals are in good economy. it costed less 2020 compared to 2019.
they dont want to return to what it looked like 2019, so the politicians will hold on to the pandemic as long possible.
and if people dies they just tell you "its covid", and not malpractice, started treatments too late or something else. they can "hide" all that and tell "its covid" that killed the person not us. we are not responsible.
Yep, that's what the propaganda-machine is trying to sell you...Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
The data (all over Europe) tells a different story (regarding Omicron).
Further above in this thread, there was a link to data from germany (analyzing over 10,000 Omicron-cases) -
and as for the UK (which leads regarding the Omicron-wave, excepting SouthAfrica) - the ICU-units do not
show the slightest increase - despite countless new Omicron-cases over the last weeks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2N0cP3A-qU&t=1179s
Olaf
I think a more reasonable response would be:
I fear the vaxbies because they might try to eat my brain and spit me with acid.
I think that is a more reasonable declaration than the one above.
All this pages, all these frouking pages and still....
I think I have given up on page 64 :lol:
I should however give an excuse as US is doing some crazy sht regarding the covid.
No...that is what I am telling you because you are so misinformed. Maybe deliberately? But I see we are not going to agree :wave:Quote:
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We are misinformed and vaxbies are misformed! :afrog:
my latest post is all media, taken from well known sources.
even so, nobody cares to understand it. thats the problem. its polarized and thats what the politicians wanted. they won. we lose.
I've backed my stuff up with links to concrete data (in Europe) - you didn't...Quote:
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<shrug>
Olaf
Links to youtube. I realize some might find that a fine way to get information, but I prefer the written reports. Could you find those, please?
I posted Germany and Denmark links before. I think that is the German link Olaf was referring to.I think.
So look at those and if Olaf have others, do post.
That youtube-channel is a reliable source (he quotes from official data only).Quote:
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But here we go regarding ICU-occupation in Europe (all in the midst of their own "Omicron-takeover" in the last month):
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...IN~SWE~CHE~AUT
Most countries are "flat-lining" (like the UK) in their ICU-occupation over the last 6 weeks which are shown in the graph.
Many have ICU-curves which are sinking (like e.g. in germany).
All that *despite* huge Omicron-waves in that time-period (Omicron taking over from the D-Variant with a large surge of cases).
For completeness: there's a few exceptions in Europe (like, France Italy, Spain, ... below compared to the US and Canada)
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...SA~FRA~ITA~ESP
Not sure, why these differences exist in the curves of France, Italy and Spain... -
maybe it is due to different counting/reporting as:
- being in the ICU "due to Covid",
- versus "in the ICU for other reasons, but Covid-positive" (and then counted in)
...
A psychological component could also play a role here IMO ...
(regarding the amount of fear-mongering which takes place in the media in a given country).
Olaf
On the topic of YouTube, when it comes to trusting a video for accurate information, you just have to ask one thing, do they cite their sources.
Which one could easily detect, in case the video was indeed viewed... ;)Quote:
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But many don't, because it would be "too disturbing"... "if that's true, how can I go on living with that..." -
Easy solution: "let's be that ostrich".
Olaf
True, but you can skim a paper, you can't readily skim a video. Of course, if they cite their sources below the video, that's great.
That data is a month old. It was to early in the Omicron wave for many countries to know how it was going to effect the number of daily deaths because deaths lag new cases. If you look at the current data you will see a sharp rise in the average daily death rate for the UK (44%) and the US (40%). German, Norway and Sweden death rates are lower. I don't why, but there is obviously a big difference between these countries. So using data from a couple of countries doesn't project the true situation everywhere.Quote:
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https://www.worldometers.info/corona.../#weekly_table
If you had a set that included all the people that believed in nonsense like gods, demons, black magic, ghosts, the illuminati, big foot, aliens and all the nonsense social ideas promoted in mainstream American media(eg. more than 2 genders), that set would most likely contain 95% of Earth's populations. It's tempting to say humans are stupid but the reality is as you said, they'd rather cling to their ridiculous beliefs than admit that they were wrong. People fear a lot of things but what life has taught me is that what humans fear most are these words: "I told you so"....Quote:
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You have to develop people's critical thinking skills at a young age before any nonsense ideas take hold in their mind for if they do, they will be destined to defend them until they die.
We have always the same problem here, people that are not willing of being informed is accusing others of being misinformed.
What can be done with that?
It always amazes me when people claim to know what motivates "95% of Earths population". How many people do they have actual personal knowledge of? Not many.
What do you mean, specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
General phases do not help, because they can be understood in either way.
I think if I said 95% of the Earths population is motivated by hunger I think I'd be more than right.Quote:
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OK, here are some interesting videos, the two channels that I am going to share videos from are on youtube. Youtube now is censoring everything related to covid that is not backed with verifiable information. So if a channel is still there and have not been taken down, you can trust they are backed with data that can't be disputed. Mostly official data. Although the official data in many cases is manipulated too, but in the opposite side.
The first one is about international data about Omicron:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVGymR-jFU
For the ones that do not wish to watch to the full video but want to "skim", one thing that I found more interesting is the graph at 19:35 that compares different contagious diseases. Omicron is not there because the graph is from 2020.
Another interesting video is from Drbeen.
The data set is a bit small but still interesting.
It compares Omicron with flu using official data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVeYXWUEJEE
When you ask a stranger for directions or the cashier at a mini-mart you've never been to before for a pack of gum, why do it in your native tongue? You never met these people before, why assume they speak the same language as you? But more importantly, how many times was your assumption correct?Quote:
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Here we are in the peak of the wave.
It is difficult to know how many real cases we have because the system is not able to test all the people that want to be tested, and also because not everybody go to be tested anyway.
In many places the queues of people waiting the get tested are of several blocks, and it can take many hours. So if one was not infected, he can get infected there :rolleyes:)
We've been having around 130,000 cases per day (in a 44 million population), with a positivity rate of about 65%. That means that from 100 persons tested, 65 are positive.
AFAIK, I didn't get it so far.
I'm taking precautions because I prefer not to get infected, and because there is still also some Delta out there.
In September I got a cold, and I wondered how did I get it, since I was taking precautions (wearing mask in closed places, not coming close to other people, etc.).
I realized that even taking sound precautions, you can get infected.
Omicron is believed (I think that was on one of the videos I posted above, with data from the University of California) to the the most contagious ever known virus on history.
But it has a death rate well lower than the seasonal flue.
Still it is a disease. But what are we talking about? To close borders, mandate vaccination passports, not allowing people to do normal life because of a virus that is like a cold, and with a death rate so low?
Vaccination help very little in preventing Omicron infection.
And are they trying to enforce vaccination just now, when Omicron seems to be a solution more than a problem?
You tell me what is going on.
The mainstream information have been deceiving from the start. An example:
We were told that this virus was something that had nothing to do with any other known virus (or something like that).
That it was named "coronavirus" because in the microscope the scientists look like a crown, and "corona" means crown (in Spanish BTW "crown" is translated "corona" but I think the naming comes from Latin).
Like it was some novel name that was given now to this new virus.
We were told that there was nothing to protect from it, just lockdowns.
The reality is that coronaviruses type viruses are one of the most common viruses. Many of the common colds are coronaviruses.
It is not something novel or recently named.
It is well know that some vitamins, vitamin D, vitamin C and others protect against these viruses.
It is proven (with studies) that these vitamins protect against Covid-19 too.
Where is that information in the mainstream media?
On the contrary, they are all censored.
Do you still don't suspect that something not normal seems to be going on?
That's got nothing to do with personal motivations. Assuming someone speaks your native tongue is an assumption you make based on the environment, you can make that assumption based on the knowledge you have of that environment. But to claim you have enough knowledge to know what personally motivates of 95% of people is something completely different. How could you possibly know all that. Like I said. It amazes me someone could even think that's possible.Quote:
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I'd say that "hunger" is a broad enough term that it's a more reasonable statement. In some impoverished country is might be true. But hey I guess, we all hunger for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
10 months, not sick 1 day, I eat fruits everyday and eat food with d vitamin rich.
I do cold showers and breathing technics.
I go out, I dont care at all, never used hand sanitizer and masks only if Im forced to wear it. I want my immune system to work not to be lazy and weak.
as Eduardo wrote, corona is not just covid-19 its everywhere. the same with the flu and other viruses.
covid-19 is used, as I wrote, its to hide other problems, is to force people into submission, is to get away with responsibilities etc.
they cheat with the numbers, apply all patients as covid patients. elderly dies all the time, and if theres a trace of corona = another number into the statistics.
as I also wrote (real data, no youtube)
that the death rates during a 7 years span is the same, and 2021 is even lower compared to 2018.
the real culprit is the hospitals, another "real data, no youtube" about how politicians try to hide the facts that the health care is not working, people waiting too long for treatments and dies. elderly care that are so bad, its no wonder they died. its malpractice. they use covid as excuse.
but that doesn't mean covid-19 is not strong. it is. and weak and old people die from it. nobody is saying otherwise.
but are the government really trying to protect them? or are they trying to protect themselves?
and don't get me started with all the greedy people in charge, they want to sell vaccines and other products.
but sure, no matter what I write, you will just say. no, its not true. so its futile. you believe in your stuff and I mine.
but don't say crap like its youtube and unreliable sources. its facts, statistics, taken directly from the sites of government, you can look it up yourself, its free for anyone to read.
but you will not. because you believe in "media" without looking at any source yourself.
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IDK why you are so much against anything that is in youtube. There are some good channels, they are few, but they are backed with real data.Quote:
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I think it is on the contrary, as I wrote before:
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yeah. I agree, alternative media is the new thing. of course theres a lot of crap, but theres good channels as well.
but I was telling this to the people that are ignoring youtube believing its all fake.
but they are not just ignoring youtube but everything else as well.
so it doesn't matter what links, videos, diagrams, documents etc you place here. they will just ignore it completely.
thats for me is a fundamentalist personality, scary stuff.
Yes, I know that that's in happening. And that's was just my point: if a channel is not taken down, it is because the information it presents is backed on information that can't be disputed (by youtube).Quote:
That is naive to think. I remember videos being taken down because the host was asking the question "Are the hospitalization numbers being over counted? It is easy to see how they could be considering they test everyone for COVID, regardless of why they come in the hospital." but just the other day even Dr. Fauci admitted that its possible that the hospitalization numbers could be over counted (for the same reason).
What's more is that YouTube won't go back and reinstate the video it took down for spreading "misinformation"
I had been, I know that Drbeen channel had several videos taken down in the past, but after he disputed it they were restored.
Anyway youtube can take down whatever channel or videos at their sole discretion without providing any reason.
The censorship that is being applied is so huge that most people don't have a clue.
It is happening in Youtube, Facebook, Tweeter, Linkedin and all major media, including news agencies like Reuters, and TV holdings, that are managed by the same investment groups.
This is historic, we are in a "special" time, and people don't realize.
Ah, OK.Quote:
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