Mozilla

scoutt · May 2nd, 2002, 10:23 PM

I thought Mozilla was supose to be good. I mean it is a lot faster than all the other ones, but it doesn't do half as much as NS4.xx

dhtml forget it. render some css forget it

what am I missing

**chrismitchell** · May 3rd, 2002, 02:39 AM

I thought that Mozilla was still in beta??? or at least still being tested..

**Rick Bull** · May 3rd, 2002, 06:42 AM

Mozilla's just a test version of the next version of Netscape. What are you having troubles with. I think Mozilla is quite strict so it may be that you have an error or something in your code, or you're writing IE specific code.

scoutt · May 3rd, 2002, 07:52 AM

well I am under the impression that mozilla is a seperate browser than NS. made by a different company and all, open source too. so, all my ocde is not IE specific, it all works in NS just fine. Chris, the version I have is a beta but the version bvefore that wasn't.

What are you having troubles with
a lot. in my first post I said it will not do dhtml or css. the menu is written by www.brazza.com so it is compliant to all browser, or so I thought. and css font color didn't work. If my code works in NS4.xx there is no errors in it, at least I hope not.

**punkpie_uk** · May 3rd, 2002, 07:59 AM

I wrote a DHTML menu and it works in Netscape 6.1 but NOT Mozilla BETA correctly. Its one of the many bugs still in it...

Mozilla is actually Netscapes future technology but its still not 100% up to working

**chrisjk** · May 3rd, 2002, 08:52 AM

I always thought that Netscape used Mozilla as a base to build on sort of thing

**chrisjk** · May 3rd, 2002, 08:53 AM

hmm

**CiberTHuG** · May 3rd, 2002, 09:02 AM

Okay, the skinny...

Mozilla is an OSS browser, it is a full-fledge, independent browser. It is not a Beta for Netscape or Netscape Future Technologies.

Netscape and Mozilla share the same rendering engine, Gecko.

Mozilla is currently in 1.0RC1. It is pretty much as stable as it is going to get. It is currently in a shake down stage.

It is my understanding that Mozilla supports more of the CSS than any other browser. But I haven't tested every single feature. My suggestion is, double check the site before you critique Mozilla. Also, just because it displays like you want it to in IE or Netscape, doesn't mean the CSS is correct. Mozilla is much more strict about these things (as is Opera), which is why these browsers are faster than IE or Netscape (they don't waste time second guessing ignorant/lazy/or just plain stupid web developers).

The W3C has an HTML and a CSS validator. Mind you, these are programs, which could have bugs themselves. But the documentation at the W3C is authoritative and definitive.

As to DHTML/JavaScript, the documentation at developer.netscape.com should be the definitive resource, and it should try to stick to the ECMA 262 standards, which are outlined at the W3C for convienance.

**CiberTHuG** · May 3rd, 2002, 09:04 AM

Josh pulled up this page, which is a test in CSS.

http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edg...iral/demo.html

scoutt · May 3rd, 2002, 09:31 AM

Travis, I am not going to argue with you on this friday, but I don't write webpages just so I can have errors in them. if it works in NS then I am happy as I don't care for IE. and Mozilla sucks as it is right this instances. it won't even render the dhtml menu I have and put it in the correct place. and the css I am talking about is very simple, colored text, nothing exotic. if it works in NS4.xx then I would expect it to work in all browsers. so if they use the same engine then why does NS6 work but not mozilla? these are my opinions of this browser, don't take them to heart.

**CiberTHuG** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:24 AM

No, I'm not offended. I personally have never used Mozilla, and I only use Netscape for testing with.

You were saying that if it works in Navigator 4 then it should work everywhere? Navigator and Communicator are completely unaware of modern standards. I don't even worry about what does and doesn't work on them, and I wouldn't use them for any sort of testing.

And I'm not worried about browsers keeping backwards compatiblity. That was a messy time, before the standards were set.

Aside from that, if you want to show us the page and the style sheets, then we can double check that Mozilla is at fault. And if anyone has any desire to fight with the bug tracking system, we can submit a report.

scoutt · May 3rd, 2002, 10:36 AM

well, you got me curious and I started reading some of brazza's paperwork on his menu system and it does have some errors in the css properties. but they are not that sever to make the menu not work properly, or so I thought.

let me work on the bugs and see if it does the samething.

**CiberTHuG** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:45 AM

Like I said, Mozilla and Opera have traded forgiveness for speed. They will be more strict about the standards in an attempt to render them faster.

**chrisjk** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:48 AM

can anyone tell me if changing the scroll bar colour is in the CSS standard, because IE will do it but not Netscape or Opera.

**JoshT** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
can anyone tell me if changing the scroll bar colour is in the CSS standard, because IE will do it but not Netscape or Opera.

No, it's not, and there's even a page at www.w3.org griping about this - if IE wants to claim CSS conformance, it has to do the correct thing and ignore tags not in the spec and not marked as proprietary, which it isn't doing by supporting this. There's also a Linux based browser listed in the gripe for supporting this as well.

**JoshT** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:57 AM

Anyway, I use Mozilla as my default browser at home nowadays - and I have RC1 on both my Windows 2000 machine and my Linux box - it is a good browser, it supports CSS better than either IE or Opera.

**chrisjk** · May 3rd, 2002, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by JoshT
No, it's not, and there's even a page at www.w3.org griping about this - if IE wants to claim CSS conformance, it has to do the correct thing and ignore tags not in the spec and not marked as proprietary, which it isn't doing by supporting this. There's also a Linux based browser listed in the gripe for supporting this as well.

I though it was probably an IE-only thing. Oh well

**CiberTHuG** · May 3rd, 2002, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by JoshT
Anyway, I use Mozilla as my default browser at home nowadays - and I have RC1 on both my Windows 2000 machine and my Linux box - it is a good browser, it supports CSS better than either IE or Opera.

Doesn't surprise me.

I've never used Mozilla before, and I went to download RC1. I didn't see a Win32 distribution that didn't have the phone-home-on-bug feature. I figured I would wait for 1.0 and try again.

Even without the support, though, I love the MDI and mouse gestures in Opera. One day I might break down and pay for it to get rid of the banner ad.

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