Being half Welsh and half English I consider myself British but I do find myself drawn towards the Welsh Leak. Maybe if England had a vegetable as it’s national emblem then St. Georges Day would gain more recognition. Broccoli?
The problem is, we leave English pride in the hands of the nationalists who give it a bad name.
What other country in the world feels as embarrassed about having national pride as we do?
1. No, we aren't as demonstrative as other countries. So the nutters are more in the spotlight. French nationalist idiots are certainly more prominent than ours at the moment. The Germans are shocking and in Spain they paint road signs with language versions. I meant my comments about us knowing we are superior was a bit of a joke, but it has an element of truth. We don't feel the need to tell others how good we are, we just know.
2. France is having a bit of a problem at the moment. I'm sure the events during the run-up to the last stage of their election will cause them some embarrassment.
Thats my longest post ever and I'm going for a smoke, a coffee and a lie down.
well Simon, comments like "we are superior", whether mentioned seriously or as a joke, don't do much for the cause...
That's the problem though, isn't it?
Being proud to be English shouldn't arise out of a sense of superiority to other nationalities but out of a sense of difference and uniqueness. We should be proud of what makes us different but not despise other nationalities because of it.
I suppose there's a thin line between national pride and racisism.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
We are starting to go off topic here, let's just blame cornwall and have done with it.
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Originally posted by GlenW
1. No, we aren't as demonstrative as other countries. So the nutters are more in the spotlight. French nationalist idiots are certainly more prominent than ours at the moment. The Germans are shocking and in Spain they paint road signs with language versions. I meant my comments about us knowing we are superior was a bit of a joke, but it has an element of truth. We don't feel the need to tell others how good we are, we just know.
2. France is having a bit of a problem at the moment. I'm sure the events during the run-up to the last stage of their election will cause them some embarrassment.
Thats my longest post ever and I'm going for a smoke, a coffee and a lie down.
1. Fair point. Smug self-satisfaction will always perform well on the world stage. It's SO endearing...
2. France aren't having a problem becasue they celebraet Bastille Day, or whatever. They are having a problem because their population ether: a) wanted to show the left wing that there was alternatives and b) people couldn't be bothered voting. Their plans, however, hideously backfired. But I think they won't get in.
We should learn from this - you MUST vote in an election. Apathy can lead to some undesirable results...
I'm proud of being English, as I am of being a Bedfordian (my home town), as I am of being a European. I'm not really interested in what my ancestor did to someone else's ancestor. Right now, I think the English, Scots, Welsh, Irish.. have got it pretty good.
Very easy going nice people in general.
Mind you, a National day is going a bit far..except as an excuse for a pi55 up.. .. and perhaps the exceptance and celebration of the amazing cultural diversity.
Now now ladies, no need to resort to blatant insults. There are other, far more amusing ways of insulting people, lets keep it witty shall we?
I really don't give a toss about it. I don't feel the need to have a big song and dance about how fantastic we supposedly are. Lets just get on with being fantastic and not make such a big deal, shall we?
Originally posted by GlenW
A typically constructive contribution from an arsehole.
You ****ing listen to me, you ******. What reply do you expect when you post stuff like "We know we are superior and don't need to prove it." and "We don't feel the need to tell others how good we are, we just know. "
You aked for a response and you got a response that was apt for you comments. Mate, I'm not an arsehole. Read your posts, and the definition of "arsehole" will become clear.
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1. Absolutely . . . . *THUMPS CHEST*
2. Don't be daft . . . . why should we? Does Ireland have on for the snake hater? Scotland one for AndyPandy?
3. 'Cos the English were the oppressors for a long time (I'm not saying they are now mind . . . . ) so the Celt communities rallied around their patrons - that jingoism has continued and rightly so . . . . although I am enourmously proud of England and St.George . . . . *THUMPS CHEST*
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Originally posted by Gaffer We should learn from this - you MUST vote in an election. Apathy can lead to some undesirable results...
Does spoiling your ballot paper count?
I've given a lot of thought to this, my ex-brother-in-law moved to Aus and he was amazed that voting is compulsory.
In principle I think this is a good idea, but what if there are no candidates you want to vote for.
Maybe there should be a Mr Nobody on every ballot.
Oh and by the way I think my use of the word superior was in error. I don't think English people are better than anyone else, I think we are as good as anyone else.
The point I was trying to make was; that we don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops.
And one last thing, HarryW blatant insults can be very entertaining, especially when they are given and taken in the right spirit. Tossa.
Originally posted by Gaffer I'm not going to trawl through your posts, it's a general impression I get. would you agree that you like to provoke though?
Yes, if I think it is going to be taken in the right spirit.
One of the things I like about this forum is that people seem, or have seemed, able to provoke and contribute to pretty heated discussions.
I also enjoy the daft, funny threads.
This is something I do for fun.
Perhaps you might take a less agressive view of me if you check back thro' this thread and see that I withdrew my comment about superiority.
But no matter what you say, I still think England were poor last week.
we do not like to blow our own trumpets in general, much less than any other nation I would say
Why, I don't know, perhaps because its viewed as up-you-own-arse, self-righteous cheese, but whatever, we don't make a fuss so we shouldn't expect anyone else to.
I can't comment on the England game, because I didn't see it, but I fear had we been playing a top-flight nation we would probably have come unstuck.
National Pride: Many people are proud of their nations, more so than us. But we collectively have a habit of looking like twats when we get nationalistic - from running round German streets dressed head to toe in the Union Jack pissed out of our heads, trashing property, to having someone in an internet forum bluntly stating twice about our superiority.
If the first comment was a mistake, it was certainly backed up in the second comment, and when that first comment was questioned, it was put down to being left-wing tree hugging liberal ****e.
I too very much enjoy the discussions on the forum, and have participated in many. But I don't see how you enjoy them glen, when you admit your largest ever post has been 7 lines long, and frankly, you posting tactics seem to be based on typing whatever comes into your head first; no forethought required. I mean, you may be a nice guy, but in this thread you look like a bloody right wing BNP supporter...
Originally posted by Gaffer But we collectively have a habit of looking like twats when we get nationalistic - from running round German streets dressed head to toe in the Union Jack pissed out of our heads, trashing property,
that's just a few hundred nutters who don't represent everyone in the country. Most of them ain't even bothered about the football and just go to cause trouble.
Originally posted by Gaffer National Pride: Many people are proud of their nations, more so than us. But we collectively have a habit of looking like twats when we get nationalistic - from running round German streets dressed head to toe in the Union Jack pissed out of our heads, trashing property, to having someone in an internet forum bluntly stating twice about our superiority.
If the first comment was a mistake, it was certainly backed up in the second comment, and when that first comment was questioned, it was put down to being left-wing tree hugging liberal ****e.
I too very much enjoy the discussions on the forum, and have participated in many. But I don't see how you enjoy them glen, when you admit your largest ever post has been 7 lines long, and frankly, you posting tactics seem to be based on typing whatever comes into your head first; no forethought required. I mean, you may be a nice guy, but in this thread you look like a bloody right wing BNP supporter...
1. I thought I had dealt with this point.
2. I stand by that. I consider what I said an insult, so I was replying to you in kind.
3. An attempt at a joke that appears to have flown over your head. I believe my politics would be considered right of center, but certainly not extreme right wing. I won't even answer the BNP suggestion.
For some reason you have decided to have a go at me personally, I don't know why, but if you have a hidden reason please tell.
Originally posted by chrisjk that's just a few hundred nutters who don't represent everyone in the country. Most of them ain't even bothered about the football and just go to cause trouble.
The problem is though, that those nutters DO represent the country. Sure, everyone doesn't act like that, but as we now live in a world where media rules, those pictures are shown globally.
The reputation of the english in other countries is less than favourable. And it's not just the footballers. Try any major European city. There's only one group of people that walk down the street in kilts and ginger wigs, pissed and loud.
Why don't the Italians, Germans, Dutch etc do this?
Originally posted by simonm Should St George's Day (the patron saint of England) be more widely celebrated (in England)?
Should we have a bank holiday to encourage more people to celebrate it?
Why is it that the English do not seem as proud as the Scottish or Welsh?
What other country in the world feels as embarrassed about having national pride as we do?
That's the problem though, isn't it?
Being proud to be English shouldn't arise out of a sense of superiority to other nationalities but out of a sense of difference and uniqueness. We should be proud of what makes us different but not despise other nationalities because of it.
I suppose there's a thin line between national pride and racisism.
Yup
Nope, we don't get a day off for Dewi Sant
Because it's rebellion. We were once taken over by the Saes (english) like the Irish and Scottish, and most other countries in the world, so then, it was like saying that we won't change for you or anyone else, unlike the irish and scots, we're gonna keep our language alive.
Or maybe it's just an excuse for a good piss up
Glen, you're a ****.
None apparently
There is. I know, I used to be racist, hating the english, because thats what I was brought up with. Now, as I'm older, I know different. I hate what they've done to us, yes, but I don't hate them. It's not their fault that their ancestors tried to destroy our language.
Originally posted by Bonker Gudd
Being half Welsh and half English I consider myself British but I do find myself drawn towards the Welsh Leak. Maybe if England had a vegetable as it’s national emblem then St. Georges Day would gain more recognition. Broccoli?
Why broccoli? Have you looked up why the daffydil and leeks are our emblems? It's something to do with when we were fighting the saes in a muddy field, a couple of hundred years ago.
The rose is England's emblem, but, many people say tnat they don't wear one any more, because of Labour pirating it.
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Originally posted by Gaffer
The problem is though, that those nutters DO represent the country. Sure, everyone doesn't act like that, but as we now live in a world where media rules, those pictures are shown globally.
The reputation of the english in other countries is less than favourable. And it's not just the footballers. Try any major European city. There's only one group of people that walk down the street in kilts and ginger wigs, pissed and loud.
Why don't the Italians, Germans, Dutch etc do this?
Gaf, Afraid I hafta agree with you on this one. I work about 200 yards from the Ajax Arena, I have often had cause to shut my mouth, keep my head down & try & get through the crowds of British Louts attending a football match, then, later in the evening, had to step over them p**ssed, & Pukeing as they fall over, belch & swear at everyone & noone in particular...Not the face of a Nationalism I'm proud to share...but again, I would ask the question,
Does this behaviour represent the populous ? Or merely the football watching fraternity ????
Either way, this is not Nationalism in it's essence. Being British igoes far deeper than that IMHO.
I don't know about the Welsh but I know the Scottish already get more bank holidays than we do. So, having a bank holiday on St George's Day would go some way to redressing that balance.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
Originally posted by Gaffer National Pride: Many people are proud of their nations, more so than us. But we collectively have a habit of looking like twats when we get nationalistic - from running round German streets dressed head to toe in the Union Jack pissed out of our heads, trashing property, to having someone in an internet forum bluntly stating twice about our superiority.
We get that problem. There's always a bunch of drunken pillocks, no matter what country it is!
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.. and perhaps the exceptance and celebration of the amazing cultural diversity.
