Yeah...the titlebar thing's just daft...maybe they cured it in SP4...dunno...I downloaded it the other day...all the cabs extracted fine but setup reccons it couldn't open "setup.lst"...so I downloaded that cab file again...still didn't work!!! Gave up then...perhaps I will try again at work next week

As for the clipboard thing I think I am going to write a program that caches the clipboard, starts VB then restores the clipboard right now