scientific proof of life after death?

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by donut
more like it just needs to be reexamined, if it is true.

Science isn't true, its just bunk

**donut** · Mar 20th, 2002, 05:45 AM

oh, ok

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by honeybee
Strange. Kedaman, did you not notice the contradiction between the subject of the thread, "Life After Death" ?

Life is the part till death, and death comes after the life is over. How can there be life after death?

.

I did, but obviously scientists refuse to resepect logic.

**donut** · Mar 20th, 2002, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by honeybee
Strange. Kedaman, did you not notice the contradiction between the subject of the thread, "Life After Death" ?

Life is the part till death, and death comes after the life is over. How can there be life after death?

.

*sigh*

i just put that because it's a commonly used phrase. more like "scientific proof of the continuation of life beyond the physical life", but that's a bit long, don't you think?

**SurfDemon** · Mar 20th, 2002, 09:49 AM

This isn't really a sould though is.

I mean, after we die our bodies are left lying around. But that doesn't mean that we are really continuing to exist.

SD

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 10:04 AM

When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 20th, 2002, 10:06 AM

Day after day, you resemble more and more an ancient oracle keddie

**SurfDemon** · Mar 20th, 2002, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Day after day, you resemble more and more an ancient oracle keddie

What Oracle 6?

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 20th, 2002, 10:18 AM

You have one nasty suspicious mind there SD

**NotLKH** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.

But, since it only appears to have been an Illusion, when in
fact reality has some basis in fact*, then the Omniscience gained is flawed,
having misled you into a false perception.

*Since you died, then you MUST not have been dead before that event,
So, you must have been Somewhere, and if you were somewhere
then it must have existed. If it Existed, then it was real. If it was real, then it existed in reality.

**Pix** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by kedaman
well, this proves that science is bork

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:17 PM

**chrisjk** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Pix
well, this proves that I am borkilicious

**Pix** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:21 PM

you are more borkilicious

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by NotLKH
But, since it only appears to have been an Illusion, when in
fact reality has some basis in fact*

is not what i said

*Since you died, then you MUST not have been dead before that event,
So, you must have been Somewhere, and if you were somewhere
then it must have existed. If it Existed, then it was real. If it was real, then it existed in reality.

No, that is entirely not what I said.

**NotLKH** · Mar 20th, 2002, 12:56 PM

You are correct. You didn't say either of those statements. I did.

You said, which I definetely quoted in my previous post, the Following:

Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.

I was commenting on how

: when you say that omnisciensce makes reality appear an illusion,
: then I say it can't be omnisciensce, since it returned a perception
that is incorrect and false.

**chrisjk** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Pix

you are more borkilicious

no, you are far more borkilicious

**Pix** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
I am far more borkilicious

**chrisjk** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Pix
I am the definition of borkilicious

**Pix** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
No, I am the definition of borkilicious

**chrisjk** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Pix
I wish you were as borkilicious as me

**Pix** · Mar 20th, 2002, 01:18 PM

Yeah well I love you more

**chrisjk** · Mar 20th, 2002, 05:44 PM

ah, so you admit you are more borkilicious than me?

psst I love you more

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 06:16 PM

I was commenting on how

: when you say that omnisciensce makes reality appear an illusion,
: then I say it can't be omnisciensce, since it returned a perception
that is incorrect and false.

Omniscience is not a perception. Perception is for the weak, those who are bound to belief and constrained to obedience. Omniscience is the lack of all these properties, the ultimate abandonment of the inferior ideologies. Omniscience is the ability to comprehend everything, if X is omniscient there is no Y that X doesn't comprehend. This is only achieved when X defines Y, therefore reality will appear to be an illusion of Y.

**NotLKH** · Mar 20th, 2002, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by kedaman

Omniscience is not a perception. Perception is for the weak, those who are bound to belief and constrained to obedience. Omniscience is the lack of all these properties, the ultimate abandonment of the inferior ideologies. Omniscience is the ability to comprehend everything, if X is omniscient there is no Y that X doesn't comprehend. This is only achieved when X defines Y, therefore reality will appear to be an illusion of Y.

And yet, YOU said:

Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.

You are the one who claimed that Omniscience will lead to altered appearances, and Appearances are perceived thru perception. Thus, you directly imply Omniscience:
A) USES perception to perceive the appearance of things.
B) alters perception in such a way as to imply that something, which WAS real,
Now appears illusionary. Thus, Omiscience has returned a false impression
of reality.

-Lou

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 07:13 PM

Appearances are perceived thru perception

Not when omniscient. The been appearance of believed reality will be replaced by the appearance of been illusion of Y and this is the act of giving up perception, not the act of altering perception.

Now appears illusionary

I did not say this either. Becoming omniscient, appearance will loose its meaning as well.

BG · Mar 20th, 2002, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by honeybee

Or burnt to ashes...

Thank heavens, I shall be dead when that happens.

.

Make sure you get a bill of sale if you die in Georgia and plan on being torched!

**Beacon** · Mar 20th, 2002, 07:19 PM

Kedaman: Thats persuming you will actually remember what it was like before "death"?

**kedaman** · Mar 20th, 2002, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Beacon
Kedaman: Thats persuming you will actually remember what it was like before "death"?

No

**Beacon** · Mar 20th, 2002, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.

So if you dont remember it then how is it an illusion??

**NotLKH** · Mar 20th, 2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by kedaman

Not when omniscient. The been appearance of believed reality will be replaced by the appearance of been illusion of Y and this is the act of giving up perception, not the act of altering perception.

I did not say this either. Becoming omniscient, appearance will loose its meaning as well.

If a being has no perception, then Nothing can Appear as Anything to the being. The ability to perceive what something Appears to be can only be done thru Perception, no more, no less.

Therefore, Your Omniscient Dead guy, Without Perception, with a false Non Perceived perception that Reality appears to be an Illusion.....,
Hmmm, I just feel sorry for him.

**kedaman** · Mar 21st, 2002, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by Beacon
So if you dont remember it then how is it an illusion??

I didn't say that, I said it was no presumption.

If a being has no perception, then Nothing can Appear as Anything to the being.

I did not imply anything such. If "appear" is a term that implies perception, then fine, replace "reality will appear to have been an illusion" with "reality will disappear since it has been an illusion", if that makes any more sense to you. If not, then I'd be happy to recieve more comments from you, I appreciate help with English terminology.

**kedaman** · Mar 21st, 2002, 05:32 AM

HB, Illusion is perception without reality, not reality without perception.

**NotLKH** · Mar 21st, 2002, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by kedaman

I didn't say that, I said it was no presumption.

I did not imply anything such. If "appear" is a term that implies perception, then fine, replace "reality will appear to have been an illusion" with "reality will disappear since it has been an illusion", if that makes any more sense to you. If not, then I'd be happy to recieve more comments from you, I appreciate help with English terminology.

Alrighty, then!

I'm pretty much suspicious of how anything "Appears". There is
a saying, about how "Appearances are deceiving", so if something
appears to be one way, in truth it could be a deception. Thats why I was obljecting so much about it's use in your "Omiscient" quote, because By Definition, an Omniscient being cannot be deceived, so he can't be viewing an appearance, since an appearance is not necessarily true.

Anyways, Good!
So we'll agree that you've officially changed your "Omniscient" statement to:

Originally posted by kedaman

When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will disappear since it has been an illusion.

Right?

**kedaman** · Mar 21st, 2002, 06:04 AM

Yeah, even if it doesn't sound much different to me, but it makes quite much to you or anyone else then ok, so be it

**simonm** · Mar 21st, 2002, 07:49 AM

Kedaman

Illusion is perception without reality, not reality without perception.

I wouldn't define illusion as perception without reality. Illusion is when your perception distorts reality (or merely misinterprets it).

How can illusion exist without reality? I don't think it can. Illusion is when reality leads you to think one way and then presents us with something different but appears like it is the same.

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 21st, 2002, 08:03 AM

Is that David Bowie or is that an illusion ? An alternative reality perhaps

**simonm** · Mar 21st, 2002, 08:52 AM

That is indeed David Bowie.

A Picture taken from the inner sleeve of the "Heroes" albumn.

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