History of 3D Graphics

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 09:28 PM

Kalicki linked me to this:

http://accelenation.com/?doc=123&page=1

Interesting

**nishantp** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:07 PM

Cool

Whatever happened to Matrox anyways? They used to kick everyone's behinds in 2D graphics cards.

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by nishantp
Cool Whatever happened to Matrox anyways? They used to kick everyone's behinds in 2D graphics cards.

They should be emerging with a G800 card which does good 3-D as well as superior 2-D.

Hopefully they won't lie about their releases like Bitboys

**nishantp** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:11 PM

Anyways..does this forum increment our post count?!?! Hehe now that is cool...

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by nishantp

Anyways..does this forum increment our post count?!?! Hehe now that is cool...

yeah. That's why I've gained 125 posts in the past 30 hours.

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:15 PM

this might sound stupid, but what exactly does a 2d graphics card do? or should i say, what is it good for?

**kalicki** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:16 PM

Link stealer!!

I posted this before you....

http://www.turtletips.com/forums/sho...=&threadid=527

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by sail3005
this might sound stupid, but what exactly does a 2d graphics card do? or should i say, what is it good for?

Video editing, DVD, graphic design...at high resolutions some NVIDIA cards turn up funny

NVIDIA has the worst 2-D quality, Matrox has the best, and ATI is in the middle.

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by kalicki
Link stealer!!

I posted this before you....

http://www.turtletips.com/forums/sho...=&threadid=527

My bad, cheers to Kalicki for this link

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Video editing, DVD, graphic design...at high resolutions some NVIDIA cards turn up funny

NVIDIA has the worst 2-D quality, Matrox has the best, and ATI is in the middle.

So 2d cards can out-do 3d cards in that respect?

**nishantp** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:20 PM

Also, NVidia cards cost a lot more than ATI's cards. I'll stick with ATI. Thats...until i'm rich of course...

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by sail3005

So 2d cards can out-do 3d cards in that respect?

Well all cards today do 2-D and 3-D..just that some do 3-D better than others and some do 2-D better than others

Matroxes are not good at 3-D but they are great at 2-D, teh inverse applies for NVIDIA in most cases

most people value 3-D more but some graphics pros value 2-D more

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:25 PM

Ah, i see. thanks for the clarification

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:35 PM

That's why I like ATI cards, great balance between great 3-D performance, and also great 2-D quality, and 3-D image quality.

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:41 PM

Yeah, i am definatly going to get the radeon 8500 on my new comp

**nishantp** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman
That's why I like ATI cards, great balance between great 3-D performance, and also great 2-D quality, and 3-D image quality.

And the other minor factor...known as price...

**Skitchen8** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:41 PM

im lookin at one, or possibly the 7500 because im poor

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by nishantp
And the other minor factor...known as price...

Indeed, the Radeon 8500 pwnz a Ti200 for the same price

I have a Visiontek GeForce3 (actually it's a Visiontek GeForce3 Ti200 but it is flashed to a GeForce3 BIOS) only because it was on sale.

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Skitchen8
im lookin at one, or possibly the 7500 because im poor

Yep the 7500 is pretty decent for the price. My friend got a 7500 AIW and he loves it. (7500 AIW is clocked lower than the regular 7500, as is the case with 8500 vs 8500DV)'

By the time you do that however, the 8500 will be down in price because the 8800s will be out soon

**kalicki** · Mar 16th, 2002, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

My bad, cheers to Kalicki for this link

Thank you...

**Skitchen8** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Yep the 7500 is pretty decent for the price. My friend got a 7500 AIW and he loves it. (7500 AIW is clocked lower than the regular 7500, as is the case with 8500 vs 8500DV)'

By the time you do that however, the 8500 will be down in price because the 8800s will be out soon

hm... may have to look at 8500's then, may be awhile till i can get a new card...

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Skitchen8
hm... may have to look at 8500's then, may be awhile till i can get a new card...

The 7500 is fast enough, but the 8500 has drastically improved drivers and image quality, and also has the pixel/vertex shaders that will be common in next-gen games like Doom 3 and Unreal2.

**Skitchen8** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:12 PM

yeah, its gunna be awhile, so it will prolly be cheap enough by then...

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:12 PM

OMG Doom3 !!!

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
OMG Doom3 !!!

Yep. Doom3 finally.

DNF Is finally gonna come out this year, I think.

**Skitchen8** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:13 PM

mmm... can't wait, getting sick of playing DII on my 486

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:16 PM

any idea on how much the 8500 might drop when the 8800 comes out?

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:17 PM

I am looking forward to a few games, Unreal 2, Warcraft III and Never Winter Nights and Final Fantasy 11 on PC.

To keep this harware related, should I wait abit till the Radeon 8800 comes out so I can pick up a 8500 at a lower price?

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by sail3005
any idea on how much the 8500 might drop when the 8800 comes out?

I want to know too

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by sail3005
any idea on how much the 8500 might drop when the 8800 comes out?

It would have a hard time dropping anymore than it has. Maybe a $20 or $30 price drop, MAYBE. But it's alerady so low priced now (well, relatively low priced).

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
I am looking forward to a few games, Unreal 2, Warcraft III and Never Winter Nights and Final Fantasy 11 on PC.

To keep this harware related, should I wait abit till the Radeon 8800 comes out so I can pick up a 8500 at a lower price?

8800 should be out next week or the week after, it's just a speculation of some guys i've been talking with.

**sail3005** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:20 PM

will there be a very big performance difference between the 8500 and the 8800?

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 11:20 PM

Will the 7500 drop in price too?

**JungleMan** · Mar 17th, 2002, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by sail3005
will there be a very big performance difference between the 8500 and the 8800?

Probably about 25% to 30%.

**JungleMan** · Mar 17th, 2002, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Will the 7500 drop in price too?

I'd assume so. Not by much though. Hopefully they will discontinue that Radeon 7000 once and for all and move the 7500 into low-end pricing

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