Win2k and IRQs

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 04:46 PM

Ok I am getting lock-ups and stuff playing games. My Video Card, Integrated Sound and Nic are all on IRQ 11. Could this be the problem? I got Win2k

**filburt1** · Mar 15th, 2002, 04:51 PM

Not probably the problem. The whole PCI bus takes up an IRQ IIRC.

**Serge** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:07 PM

Your only way out is the BIOS setup. You should be able to set it up where BIOS would not assign IRQ for the Video automatically.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:11 PM

It wont let me though its blocked out

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:33 PM

Your problem sounds heat-related to me. Or driver-related.

What are your temperatures like?
Is your video card overclocked at all?
How's your case cooling?

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:49 PM

I have Newest 4 in 1 drivers, Ati Drivers, and BIOS.

The Video Card is not overclocked. And there are those 2 fans so I doubt its getting hot. It was not getting hot in my other computer. And it only had the PS fan and the CPU Fan.

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
I have Newest 4 in 1 drivers, Ati Drivers, and BIOS.

The Video Card is not overclocked. And there are those 2 fans so I doubt its getting hot. It was not getting hot in my other computer. And it only had the PS fan and the CPU Fan.

Try disabling the NIC (or rather, just remove it

) and possibly the integrated sound?

I doubt it's IRQ related but if we can get those out we can narrow down the issue.

I know you're running Windows 2000

but if you were running XP I would note the AC97 audio problems with Windows XP.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:55 PM

I was contimplatd going back to XP, but then I read that my Mobo does not like it at all.

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
I was contimplatd going back to XP, but then I read that my Mobo does not like it at all.

Hmm where'd you read that? I've never heard of a motherboard not liking an OS. Chipsets, yeah, but not boards.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:02 PM

Soltek states that there are issues with this board and that certain revisions may not like WinXP. without upgrading BIOS to current version (K4... which it is, and possibly have to modify the motherboard to make it compatible with WinXP

Anyway I got the new BIOS so it should work

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin

Anyway I got the new BIOS so it should work

I would definitely disable your sound and NIC first, then give it a go.

If it works without sound and NIC, re enable your sound and then your NIC...

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:05 PM

Its going to be had to test since it seems to be random so i'll give it a try.

PS: how do you network Win98 (might give that a try) and WinXP?

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Its going to be had to test since it seems to be random so i'll give it a try.

PS: how do you network Win98 (might give that a try) and WinXP?

Through what devices? I've networked 98 and XP/2000 before through a Linksys Cable/DSL router. It worked fine, but for the XP/2K computers to access files on the 98/ME computers (or was it the other way around?) was ungodly slow, so I upgraded everything to 2000.

Well just network as you normally would. But for 98 machines to access shares on XP/2K machines, you'll need to make user accounts on the 2k machines. Example, if the 98 machine is logged in as Bozo, you will need an account named Bozo on the 2k machine..it doesn't work like this the other way around though.

(Well, actually, my mom and dad are running XP, but I'm on 2k.)

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:15 PM

Well I just made it through the 3dMark test with sound disabled and it didnt lock up. But that really does not mean much, since I have made it through sometimes and sometimes it froze. If it was the sound. What would u suggest, Buying an actual card?

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:17 PM

I'd suggest an actual card even if you had no problems, because AC97 sounds REALLY tinny...

But yeah just run with the sound disabled, play a ton of games with it disabled, and if it doesn't freeze up then it's gotta be the sound.

3dMark isn't really a great test for your situation since it doesn't use the sound anyway.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:18 PM

But it froze before in 3dMark, does that mean its not the Sound Card

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
But it froze before in 3dMark, does that mean its not the Sound Card

Perhaps you're right. I don't see how this could happen but I guess it is in your case.

So just chill and play some games and if it doesn't freeze it's the audio. Just tell me what the results are adn we will work from there.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:21 PM

Well i am getting togethor with some friends tonight. So i'll leave a game on and we I come ack hopfully it will not be frozen and I will pick up...

ONE OF THE BAD BOYS

Creative Sound Blaster 16 - PCI

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Well i am getting togethor with some friends tonight. So i'll leave a game on and we I come ack hopfully it will not be frozen and I will pick up...

ONE OF THE BAD BOYS

Creative Sound Blaster 16 - PCI

Heh, that sucks even worse than your onboard.

But at least you can narrow down the issue to see what the problem actually is. Just loop 3dMark if you want

Have fun

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:25 PM

This a better Card?

Creative Labs Sound Blaster 512 PCI Sound Card

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
This a better Card?

Creative Labs Sound Blaster 512 PCI Sound Card

Yes it will be better, not exactly like Audigy but better than AC97.

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 09:41 PM

Arg well its not the Sound Card, it froze, but this time the how monitor went black. I didnt just freeze it turned off the monitor so to speak

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Arg well its not the Sound Card, it froze, but this time the how monitor went black. I didnt just freeze it turned off the monitor so to speak

Try disabling the NIC..if it's not that, it's the pesky Radeon drivers

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 10:28 PM

Tomorrow I'm going to install XP that might fix the problem

**JungleMan** · Mar 15th, 2002, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Tomorrow I'm going to install XP that might fix the problem

Let's hope so. But please try disabling the NIC first. It might not like your board :\

**Gimlin** · Mar 15th, 2002, 11:17 PM

Yah i'll give that a try tomorrow as well.

scoutt · Mar 16th, 2002, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman
Well just network as you normally would. But for 98 machines to access shares on XP/2K machines, you'll need to make user accounts on the 2k machines. Example, if the 98 machine is logged in as Bozo, you will need an account named Bozo on the 2k machine..it doesn't work like this the other way around though.

umm no. you do not need a profile on the W2K machine so the 98 machine can access it. if it is NTFS it won't anyway. if it is a fat32 then all you need to do is grant permission to the C drive on W2K machine with a password.

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 07:09 AM

Ok I disabled Nic, still froze. Disabled Sound and Nic still froze. Mabye the ATI drivers dont like 2k i dont know

Times like this I wish I had a Geforce

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Ok I disabled Nic, still froze. Disabled Sound and Nic still froze. Mabye the ATI drivers dont like 2k i dont know

Times like this I wish I had a Geforce

No you don't want a GeForce, the older ATI Radeon drivers are just silly

http://www.amdforums.com/showthread....hreadid=103547

What's strange is that my arch-enemy from another site posted the solution that they used.

The 7000 replaces the Radeon VE. I have the 7000 and had a hell of a time installing drivers. When you install it windows will install the default Radeon VE drivers. What you need to do is locate the dll that corrosponds (sp) to the radeon drivers and delete it. Then let reboot and let windows install the VGA drivers.. Then install the drivers from the CDrom or the updated drivers from ATI's website, which I jsut tried and is down...apparently they are redoing their website cause it looked different last night than when it did a few days ago..

Hope you can make heads of that. The 8500 drivers are better, but the ATI Radeon, Radeon 7000, and Radeon 7500 all use the same crap drivers because it's the same chip. The 8500 was made from scratch and has far better drivers.

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 07:44 AM

heh unfortunely I Knew about this, and the drivers are installed correcting and are the newest version

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:00 AM

And it worked in your old machine? Under what OS?

In the BIOS, make sure fast writes are disabled, and side band addressing also if it's there. set AGP to 1x or 2x. Then game continuously.

(Don't get your hopes up too high, some people say it works fine but just takes longer to freeze.)

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:03 AM

I'll give that a try

Yah it worked fine on my P3 500 windows 98 and XP

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
I'll give that a try

Yah it worked fine on my P3 500 windows 98 and XP

It worked in XP? There goes my theory about Win2000 issues.

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:05 AM

I am able to move the IRQ of the Nic should I move it?

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
I am able to move the IRQ of the Nic should I move it?

Yes, although I doubt that's the problem since you had problems without sound and NIC.

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 08:16 AM

Well win2k moved the IRQ back

Anyway I set it 3dmark to loop and its going now, I am on my other comp.

Think I should try the ATI beta drivers?

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
Well win2k moved the IRQ back Anyway I set it 3dmark to loop and its going now, I am on my other comp.

Think I should try the ATI beta drivers?

If the loop freezes then try the ATI beta drivers.

Uninstall your old drivers FIRST.

ATI's driver department is improving, in a year they should be as good as NVIDIA.

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 09:11 AM

it froze using 2X AGP

But! I remebered something, when I first was installing software on my comp I installed Sandra Soft. I did all the tips things. It told me to change my Display from Refresh Rate 60 to 75. So I did. I dont know if that would cause whats going on, but I put it back to 60 and am looping again, and it has not frozen in 40 minutes

**JungleMan** · Mar 16th, 2002, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Gimlin
it froze using 2X AGP

But! I remebered something, when I first was installing software on my comp I installed Sandra Soft. I did all the tips things. It told me to change my Display from Refresh Rate 60 to 75. So I did. I dont know if that would cause whats going on, but I put it back to 60 and am looping again, and it has not frozen in 40 minutes

Strange...well when you are NOT gaming set your refresh back to 75hz, 60hz gets to be an eyesore

FastWrites and SBA disabled?

**Gimlin** · Mar 16th, 2002, 09:15 AM

FW was alway disabled dont have the other one

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