Moral

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:13 AM

1. Would you rather kill or die?
2. Would you kill an animal or die?
3. Would you let someone die, if you could save someone else? (elaborate)
4. Would you kill a minority to save the majority
5. Would you die to save a majority?
6. Would you accept to die along with a minority to save a majority?
7. Would you want to survive if that would somehow cause a certain amount of people die?

**beachbum** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:17 AM

8. Would you rather die than read a Ked / Simon thread??

lol put me down for 10 of those!!

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:19 AM

Will you buy at K-Mart ?

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:21 AM

hey STFU or i'll kill you both, i'm being serious here

**Jamagei** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:21 AM

1. Would you rather kill or die? Kill
2. Would you kill an animal or die? Kill
3. Would you let someone die, if you could save someone else? (elaborate) It depends on who. If someone was close to me was going to die I would save them first and then try my damned hardest to save the other
4. Would you kill a minority to save the majority Unfortunatly Kill
5. Would you die to save a majority? Maybe, never been in that situation wouldn't know either way. But human instinct is survival
6. Would you accept to die along with a minority to save a majority?See above
7. Would you want to survive if that would somehow cause a certain amount of people die?See above again

8. Would you rather die than read a Ked / Simon thread?? Shoot me now

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:21 AM

I'm serious too !

**Ianpbaker** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:23 AM

1. Kill
2. Kill
3. Debatable
4. Yes
5. If it was for the greater Good, Yes
6. If it was for the greater Good, Yes
7. It would more than likely lay on my mind for a long tim

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:34 AM

Ok, thanks for participating Ian and Jamagei

Some further questions to be specific:

If you answered
1/2a) Kill, would you kill someone you know well, would you kill your own child to save yourself? When would you consider to kill?
1/2b) Die, what would you die for, i bet you don't want to die if you could kill an ant instead.
3) Ok, if you could weigh between the two, would you kill the other by your own hand if that meant you could save the other from certain death.
5) Imagine you are part of a very small society, where would you draw the line, on one extreeme you could die and save everyone else, and on the other save yourself but then be totally isolated.

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:34 AM

/hurries out ...

**beachbum** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:38 AM

*grabs wally's coat-tail.. please dont leave me here...

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:39 AM

that's not my coat-tail !!!

**Jamagei** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:42 AM

1/2a) Kill, would you kill someone you know well, would you kill your own child to save yourself? When would you consider to kill? No I would not kill a child of mine. Nor family. I would only consider killing someone if they posed a direct threat (of murderous intent) to me or someone else I loved.

3) Ok, if you could weigh between the two, would you kill the other by your own hand if that meant you could save the other from certain death. Again it depends on the people involved

5) Imagine you are part of a very small society, where would you draw the line, on one extreeme you could die and save everyone else, and on the other save yourself but then be totally isolated. Hmmm.... Again, I would say the human instinct is survival.

**beachbum** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
that's not my coat-tail !!!

well it was hairy and wrinkly... and damn it was dark in the room... hell i dunno... arrrghhhhh ... must wash.. and again and again

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:52 AM

My ear doesn't smell

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:52 AM

ok let me reformulate to be strict:

3) You have two people, one of them would die certainly, and you have no idea which of them will. IF you could after weighing them consider that you like one of them better, would you kill the other to break the uncertainity of who of them would certainly be killed?

5) Would you die to save everyone or would you let everyone else die to save yourself?

**Jamagei** · Mar 13th, 2002, 06:59 AM

3) You have two people, one of them would die certainly, and you have no idea which of them will. IF you could after weighing them consider that you like one of them better, would you kill the other to break the uncertainity of who of them would certainly be killed? No I wouldn't kill either then

5) Would you die to save everyone or would you let everyone else die to save yourself? I would like to say save everyone, but I want to live as much as the next man.

What I want to know is, how the hell did I get myself into that situation in the first place

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 07:19 AM

Well, the situation is that, I defined this situations, and also defined that all situations are defined, in other words, not occurring due to external sources.

**simonm** · Mar 13th, 2002, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jamagei
I would only consider killing someone if they posed a direct threat (of murderous intent) to me or someone else I loved.

Please note: anything you say will be taken down and may be used in evidence against you in a court of law.

Let's hope that no one you know dies in suspicous circumstances, eh?

**Kzin** · Mar 13th, 2002, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by beachbum

well it was hairy and wrinkly... and damn it was dark in the room... hell i dunno... arrrghhhhh ... must wash.. and again and again

beachbum
Now your score has gone up by 5% in the 'are you gay' thread

Ked
I would argue that its the people who force such choices as you listed on people who are immoral - the others are just victims

**Jamagei** · Mar 13th, 2002, 09:07 AM

LOL, yes well.

Seriously though, that is well within the boundaries of the law. If someone tried to kill one of my family and I was there I would kill them if I had no other choice. Self Defence and self defence of others. Two perfectly viable complete defences against homocide.

DerFarm · Mar 13th, 2002, 09:18 AM

1. Would you rather kill or die? Kill
2. Would you kill an animal or die? Kill
3. Would you let someone die, if you could save someone else? (elaborate) Yes
4. Would you kill a minority to save the majority? No
5. Would you die to save a majority? Yes
6. Would you accept to die along with a minority to save a majority? Yes
7. Would you want to survive if that would somehow cause a certain amount of people die? No

These answers are consistent with most any person who ever
served during a shooting war.

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:04 AM

DerFarm, you have answered correct on all questions, Congrats! (ok, the trick was to answer on them)

Kzin

I would argue that its the people who force such choices as you listed on people who are immoral - the others are just victims

So the only moral people are dead, is that what you are saying?

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:07 AM

I've raised those questions a while ago kedaman (can't be bothered to find the thread)

**kedaman** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
I've raised those questions a while ago kedaman (can't be bothered to find the thread)

I know, every living being raise them all the time, even when you typed that

**chrismitchell** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:14 AM

Here are my answers

1. Would you rather kill or die?
Kill
2. Would you kill an animal or die?
Kill
3. Would you let someone die, if you could save someone else? (elaborate)
Always save someone.
4. Would you kill a minority to save the majority
Yes
5. Would you die to save a majority?
Yes
6. Would you accept to die along with a minority to save a majority?
Yes
7. Would you want to survive if that would somehow cause a certain amount of people die?
If the amount was to save as many as possible then yes..

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:14 AM

It was the death penalty thread.
I proposed the following :
Could you, given the permission and the means, take the life of another man (you're in a room, know what he's done, he's tied up and nobody is looking in, not even with cameras) ?
Yes or no ?

**Gandalf_Grey_** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:19 AM

1. Would you rather kill or die?
2. Would you kill an animal or die?
3. Would you let someone die, if you could save someone else? (elaborate)
4. Would you kill a minority to save the majority
5. Would you die to save a majority?
6. Would you accept to die along with a minority to save a majority?
7. Would you want to survive if that would somehow cause a certain amount of people die?

ok:

die
kill
well depends on who had the better chance of living.
yes
yes
yes
no

**chrismitchell** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:19 AM

would you?

I don't know.. it would depend what the crime was. But in a sence if he is sentenced to death it must have been pretty bad.

**Wally Pipp** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:22 AM

That's exactly the point. He's asking questions to which we always say "hang on, in which circumstances ?".

**Gandalf_Grey_** · Mar 13th, 2002, 10:23 AM

1/2a) Kill, would you kill someone you know well, would you kill your own child to save yourself? When would you consider to kill?

when there was a majority who would survive

1/2b) Die, what would you die for, i bet you don't want to die if you could kill an ant instead.

for a majority of people living through the situation

3) Ok, if you could weigh between the two, would you kill the other by your own hand if that meant you could save the other from certain death.

i wouldn't kill either

5) Imagine you are part of a very small society, where would you draw the line, on one extreeme you could die and save everyone else, and on the other save yourself but then be totally isolated.

what do you mean totally isolated, does that mean trapped somewhere, where i couldn't get out but lived my life isolation? but everyone else lived? If everyone else would die ifi lived in isolation i would die

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