VBW buyout rumours???

**wips** · Feb 28th, 2002, 06:35 PM

As we know, it's been some time since this site was updated, in fact not since before last September. But has anyone heard any rumours of a possible buyout of the VB network by Karl Moore's company White Cliff computing?
It's been a long time since I've spoken with Karl (apparently he's writing a book or something, according to his website at least) but can't get any more info at the moment.
I know he keeps in touch with another of my friends, and she did mention something a few weeks back that something was going on and that the site will get a whole new look????

Any thoughts anyone?

**Pix** · Feb 28th, 2002, 06:37 PM

That's the first I've heard of any buyout

**wips** · Mar 1st, 2002, 08:55 AM

Following on from my previous message, I've just lifted this from Karl's web site at karlmoore.com

"Latest: Buyout talks with a leading development network are currently underway and details will be unveiled shortly."

So does anyone know whether he's referring to the VB network ?

**tumblingdown** · Mar 1st, 2002, 08:59 AM

Actually, John and i are about to finalise a deal.

td.

**Serge** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:33 AM

Thease rumors are true. Actually on March 1st the site should have been changed. hmmm. Karl is a very cool guy and he will be in charge of the VBW, but John will stick around at least for some time.

**plenderj** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Serge
Thease rumors are true. Actually on March 1st the site should have been changed. hmmm. Karl is a very cool guy and he will be in charge of the VBW, but John will stick around at least for some time.

What does this mean to us the members though ?

**NotLKH** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by tumblingdown
Actually, John and i are about to finalise a deal.

td.

tumblingdown = Karl Moore ???

**NotLKH** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by plenderj

What does this mean to us the members though ?

Everything we've posted/uploaded becomes the property of Karl Moore, and we have to send a monthly payment to use the site!

**Serge** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:54 AM

Nothing will change for the members of this site. Only the management changes, everything else stays.

**Gandalf_Grey_** · Mar 1st, 2002, 09:58 AM

good

**InvisibleDuncan** · Mar 1st, 2002, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by NotLKH
tumblingdown = Karl Moore ???

Not unless Karl Moore is a chronic lightweight with a tendency to fall down in the gutter...

**zmerlinz** · Mar 1st, 2002, 10:12 AM

but then does this mean that we will be able to get a response when we post in forum feedback with errors

does any one know why john has decided to do this ??

**thinktank2** · Mar 1st, 2002, 10:15 AM

John is busy with Jelsoft

**tumblingdown** · Mar 1st, 2002, 10:15 AM

so you coming for a beer next week then Dunc?

td.

**InvisibleDuncan** · Mar 1st, 2002, 10:18 AM

Can't; it's my wife's birthday, and we've got plans.

Mind you, after my last crack I wouldn't feel safe anyway.

**chrisjk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 11:12 AM

Looks like we pissed John off too much

**plenderj** · Mar 1st, 2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Looks like we pissed John off too much

Probs

**chrisjk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 11:18 AM

well he banned you

**parksie** · Mar 1st, 2002, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Serge
Nothing will change for the members of this site. Only the management changes, everything else stays.

So Karl's buying it from Jelsoft?

**plenderj** · Mar 1st, 2002, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
well he banned you

**Serge** · Mar 1st, 2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by parksie
So Karl's buying it from Jelsoft?

Yup, all of it VBW, VBSquare, VBAPI and VBF

**markman** · Mar 1st, 2002, 12:59 PM

As long as the forums remain the same, yet the articles in vbw are replentished as they used to be, ill be happy. Hopefully they will have enough money as a backbone to run this without that sprinks popup so i can switch back to that template.....

**chrisjk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 01:57 PM

is he actually ganna pay money for it?

I wonder how much, if he is

**parksie** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:14 PM

Hey I just noticed Karl's browsing Chit Chat...

**Serge** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:15 PM

Good news. there will be no more popups. Karl is a very cool guy, so give him a chance.

**barrk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Serge
Good news. there will be no more popups. Karl is a very cool guy, so give him a chance.

Is he as cool as you, Serge? Will the same moderators be around?

**Serge** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:22 PM

I think all moderators will stay. And if you think I am cool

then you would love Karl

**parksie** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:27 PM

Karl's a good bloke - if you've not spoken to him before you'll like him

He used to have (does he still have?) a radio show over here in the UK, and he still writes columns for things like Micro Mart.

Jethro · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Serge
I think all moderators will stay. And if you think I am cool then you would love Karl

We could be in trouble guys....no more forum fights if Serge's (and got to say dude way cool handling of CyberThug), anything to go by

I feel unhappy
I feel so sad
I've lost the best friend
That I ever had

She was my moderator
I ..................... her so
But it's too late now
We're let her go
I'm going through Changes
I'm going through Changes

Strange katie, that was playing while l read this, thought l might share the music....with slight alterations

**barrk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:37 PM

Strange katie

Hey who told you my nick-name?

Jethro · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by barrk

Hey who told you my nick-name?

LOL

Am in close contact with Tom at all times of course.......

Hey Serge did John charge $1.50 extra for the copyright to all my posts, if he did Karl got ripped man

Am sitting watching the sun come up over the harbour bridge, with Black Sabbath Vol 4 blaring away on the head phones...

I think l might have to come clean on a scam my wife and l were running on this forum....Jamagei has way too much memory retention, and GR saw through it pretty damn quickly

**barrk** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:43 PM

Don't spoil it Jethro.......some others may not have caught on! It's never good to 'fess up too soon!

**parksie** · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:49 PM

I think I missed that one...this is what happens when I go away for a week!

KarlMoore · Mar 1st, 2002, 02:52 PM

Dear Friends,

Whoah - I step outside for a breath of fresh air and two minutes later, I return to a forum bustling with buyout rumours. I guess it's time to call a press conference

Okay, the situation is pretty straight forward. Yes, the eternally-knowledgable Serge is correct - the VB-World Network is currently being transferred from Jelsoft Enterprises through to White Cliff. The move is currently underway and raises that very obvious question: what does all this mean to members?
Thankfully, nothing bad. The first thing to change will be the VB-World site. Every single piece of content currently online will be manually rechecked and filtered through for accuracy, relevance and new English-usage standards. Those that pass will be re-entered into the new site, under one of four new sections: Tutorials; Features; Code Snippets and Reviews. We're also working on new articles and writers (if you're interested in being in at the beginning, let me know!).

Elsewhere on VB-World, you'll have the Codebank, which enables you to post your own snippets for others to download (a little like the Planet Sourcecode site John talked about some time ago). There's also the new VB-World Messenger, a HTML-based messaging system that will allow members and the system itself to send messages to each other - such as reminders, questions, submission alerts and more.

What else? VB-World will see the return of the Directory that we once had here (including the ability to submit your own sites), plus you'll also find a new Events diary. A "My Network" area will also provide you with more customisation.

At the moment, we do not have an official release date for the new site. March 1st was a date we banded about during the early days, however all we can really say is that July 30th will be the absolute cut-off date. Everything will be completed by then.
Regarding the other network sites: VB-Square will undergo a complete revamp; VB-API will be updated in design only; VB-Forums may be altered in some form so it integrates with the new "personalisation" features of the site (this may include a complete rewrite of the entire Forums).

Anyway, gang - that's the situation. Yes, things are changing. But for once, it's a good change - and one that should result in a community truly better than the rest.
Incidentally, should anyone have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions on what the new VB-World Network should inlude, please post them this way. We've already had a number of consultancies on it this end (we have five developers working on the core site as I type), however we're always open to suggestions. My e-mail, as ever - [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
And in reply to MarkMan asking about the Sprinks popups - one of our first executive decisions has been to completely scrap all but a couple of frontpage advertisements. They *are* annoying, aren't they?

Big thanks to everyone for their support during this time - especially the Jelsoft crew - and I look forward to working with you all to deliver a new and greater development network that will prove an invaluable resource for years to come.

Sincere thanks,
~ Karlos
-------------------------------------
Karl Moore MCP, MCSD
Managing Director, White Cliff
Senior Editor, VB-World
Phone: 07092 17 18 19
E-Mail: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Web: www.karlmoore.com <http://www.karlmoore.com> - *updated*

**JungleMan** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
no don't do that. Half the forum would have custom ones then which would dilute the speciality of it. What would be the point in that?

Dude out of 28,000 members, less than 40 have reached 2048

**JungleMan** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Jamagei
And the longer it takes Justin to get to custom status the better I think.

Shut up

**Jamagei** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Shut up

Awww, is poor widdle justy-wusty upset at me.

I thought more than 40 would have been above 2048. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

Anyway, come on Justin, be a man, stand up for yourself. Rip it back at me

**markman** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:18 PM

All this new stuff sounds pretty cool. Will it all still be free thought? Where will the income come from?

**JungleMan** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Jamagei

Awww, is poor widdle justy-wusty upset at me.

I have a very bad temper this week, I'm sorry if I'm lashing out at everyone

I think pictures speak louder than words so I am going to post this to everyone who rubs me the wrong way

**Emo** · Mar 1st, 2002, 04:23 PM

hahahahahaahaha 0wned!

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