Microsoft Discontinues Visual Basic !

[ShIzO]

Just kidding.

I am just checking if anyone cares about this lovely language.

Regards,

[MaBen]

ha ha ha

ouf!!

[Bob Baddeley]

dork

[(B2F)Tom]

I care, good trap !

[Bam_BamIR]

thought the last 18 mo's were wasted & gonna have to learn c language(don't want to)

[kb244]

in the new VB7, it will contain more ObjectOriented stuff, that most programers went to VC++ to use, it'll contain polymorphism, inheiritance, etc, oh and even True MultiThreading, no more Woe of the VC++ programmers trying to get around VB's weak appartment threading model, also VB7 will have some of the standard C/C++ Coding(unsure of this one) but in other words, Microsoft is trying to bring the gap between VC++ and VB together, the goal of course is to have the increased ability of VC++, but have the highlevel easy to use IDE of Visual Basic.

[Bam_BamIR]

Originally posted by kb244
in the new VB7, it will contain more ObjectOriented stuff, that most programers went to VC++ to use, it'll contain polymorphism, inheiritance, etc, oh and even True MultiThreading, no more Woe of the VC++ programmers trying to get around VB's weak appartment threading model, also VB7 will have some of the standard C/C++ Coding(unsure of this one) but in other words, Microsoft is trying to bring the gap between VC++ and VB together, the goal of course is to have the increased ability of VC++, but have the highlevel easy to use IDE of Visual Basic.

cool, but when is the latest coming out?? oh any recommendations on a book for learning SQL use in vb?

[kb244]

I know the time frame for release is anywhere in the Fall-Winter of 2000, and maybe spring of 2001, but been rumored it'll be out before october.

I think VB7 is gonna be awesome

but I still recomend you learn C++, because C++ can do more stuff than Vb will ever be able to do(ok, not sure about this).

I am learning C++ right now and i am loving it, but I am kind of pissed at the compiler
VC++ IDE is hard to use.... but I'll get used to it...

[kb244]

I knew more C++ than VB when I Started this job, basically if you can learn c++ you can learn just about any other language becuase C++ Does almost everything possible with a programming language, also I would learn on something more simple, like Borland C++ 4.5 for windows, its a basic type in, run, etc, I would try to find a book that teaches you the Standard, rather than learning on a specific IDE, that way you can write C++ on almost all compilers (some of the older ones dont support the standard)

[Sam Finch]

Yeah, I don't like VC++ too much because it tries to force you into MFC programming, which I don't wanna do. If I want that kind of functionality I'll use VB. I wanna do stuff in C++ directly and all the books and stuff say to do it through MFC. but that way I'm not really learning anything about Windows etc. Just about MFC.

C++ isnt the easiest language in the world(Vb is ) but its pretty simple, I think the hardest thing for ME is learning how to use the compiler (MSVC++ 6.0) after a year of using VB its really hard.

[kb244]

For me, I did alot of dos programming, then went into C++ in Dos, and in a win 3.1 Compiler(borland C++ 4.5) then did Delphi for a lil while, then VB, then VC++ again, you can use VC++ without using the MFC, if you try use it's wizard then yes it's going to contain MFC.

[noone]

VB7 looks cool but it still doesnt have unary operators
Doesnt anyone else think this would be useful?
instead of:
x = x + 1
you could just use
x++

How about

   iNumber += 1

   iNumber -= 1

   sName = sFirstName
   sName := " " & sLastname

Stanadard Universe programming

Mind you have just finished claiming you shouldn't use the Me command over in VB General Section. Hmmmm...maybe should rethink that one

[Gen-X]

All I want for Christmas is the ability to write a VB app that can be only 128k in size and doesn't need a 3.2MB runtime file to be included with it.

If I got that I would be happy

[Harrild]

i think my cd database app is under 128k when compile and it doesnt need a runtime but it needs a 1mb .mdb file

[ShIzO]

Harrild, no matter what you do you will always need at least vb runtime dll, this file is not distributed with Windows.

[kb244]

but if they are usual downloaders they'll have it already, in anycase, if you look at it this way, the UI on your forms and what not are defined in the runtime, if you look at 90% of your commands (press F2) you'll see that it's located in the vb runtime, this way you only need 1 Runtime file, rather than 100 large files without runtimes. it's what makes the vB appz so small. Then again, could be similar to C++, and only compile into the exe, what it uses. but still it wouldnt be as small as 12K.

Gen-X:

The VB Runtime File is only 1.3mb, but 1.3mb is still frigin huge, so thats why I am learning C++, I hate that damn runtime file, I have to include installations with all of my programs, even little ones, if I have a 2kb app I would still have to make it 1.3mb + .002mb so they could run the damn thing!
well, its pretty hard to make a 2kb app,
I just tested, I made a program, with no title bar, it was about 20x40 pixels big, and it had three lines of code

Private Sub Form_Click()
Unload Me
End Sub

it is 16 KB!!!!!

[kb244]

you can create a form, remove the Vb runtime from the Reference, compile it using no commands from the vbruntime, and you would still get kind of large, because VB at least compiles the Visual interface natively, you dont think that form is just a stored picture do you?

[ShIzO]

I overheard something that MS was going to include VB runtime files with every copy of Win2K but i don't think it is going to happen.

I mean i don't care about 1.3Mb extra to my app, nobody is distributing their apps on floppy anymore, so why would you care about that?

[kb244]

If you least look at it in the beneficial perspective, even VC++ apps have a bunch of runtimes, if you use the MFC? it saves disk space as much as you think compared to a single application.

[Nitro]

Originally posted by Gen-X
All I want for Christmas is the ability to write a VB app that can be only 128k in size and doesn't need a 3.2MB runtime file to be included with it.

If I got that I would be happy

I like that too. I want to be able to send a simple exe to a friend without using a bunch of require files. Do you think this will ever happen?

In C++, can you write an exe stand alone with out requires dll files like VB?

Originally posted by Noone

VB7 looks cool but it still doesnt have unary operators
Doesnt anyone else think this would be useful?
instead of:
x = x + 1
you could just use
x++

I don't know C++, but do know a little bit of Java. In Java, "x++" can also be use too. Is Java and C++ similar?

[ShIzO]

I saw something about MS adding unary operators (++,--) to VB 7.0 but i just can't remember where.

[noone]

Yes, Java is based on C++ the syntax of both are very similar.

[David Laplante]

Good trap