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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:06 AM
#1
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transcendental analytic
immature, childish
How would you define it?
Please elaborate 
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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:07 AM
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Starting up our own dictionary, are we ? 
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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:08 AM
#3
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I think this about covers it:
Immature
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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:10 AM
#4
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Rather than pointing out examples, would you try to bring up the concept on being childish and immature?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:13 AM
#5
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I'd rather see them replaced by annoying and irresponsible
Immature means strictly spoken, not of age.
If you behave in a way that is generally attributed to those in their first 15 years of life, you're immature and childish.
Age has nothing to do with it.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 08:44 AM
#6
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transcendental analytic
ok, do you see any equality or implication between them or is immature and childish used out of context at times?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:01 AM
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A better question is
When does responsability an accountability for one's behaviour begin ?
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:18 AM
#8
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transcendental analytic
You said
I'd rather see them replaced by annoying and irresponsible
do you mean immature and childish are used out of context or do you think they should equal or imply/be implied by annoying and irresponsible?
Without entering sociology just yet, can you clarify this?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:20 AM
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:28 AM
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Childish
To be child like.
Immature
To be underdeveloped (either physically or emotionally) for your age (according to social norms).
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment. 
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:30 AM
#11
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
ok, to simplify our situation, lets reduce the amount of people in our society to two. These two people are different in certain aspects and one of them claims the other to be immature based on what?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:33 AM
#12
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It would have to be relative, ked.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:34 AM
#13
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Originally posted by simonm
Childish
To be child like.
Do you by that imply that childish is used out of context?
Immature
To be underdeveloped (either physically or emotionally) for your age (according to social norms). [/B]
what does this developement conform to? what and why are there social norms? Do they really exist?
Use
writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:36 AM
#14
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Originally posted by Bonker Gudd
It would have to be relative, ked.
everything is relative in a sense
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:40 AM
#15
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Kedaman
Do you by that imply that childish is used out of context?
No. Do you? There are sterotypical traits that people associated with the bahviour of children. If you demonstrate these traits, you might be called childish.
what does this developement conform to? what and why are there social norms? Do they really exist?
The fact that there are social norms is an innevitable consequence of variation in society. Averages are always going to be observed.
As for whether there are actual instances that conform precisely to these averages, probably not, but that's not the point.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:40 AM
#16
Immaturity implies that it is related to a clearly defined level of maturity. An average maturity if you like. Somebody who is immature acts with less than average maturity.
That better? or have I opened a whole new can of worms?
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:47 AM
#17
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Simple ? Certainly !
Your norms and beliefs are made up of partly your own values and the values of the society you live in.
There tend to be consensi (consensusses ?) in a society that state that a certain course of action is referred to as "childish"
Whether the individual thinks of it as "childish" is up to his own moral code.
F.I. Someone who cries because things got taken away from him could be considered childish by some. Others may however not think that.
It's all down to what we imply the terms to but as stated above they generally boil down to annoying and irresponsible behaviour.
Not all annoying and irresponsible behaviour is childish and immature but it is generally in our society considered so.
Why do we call it that way ? Because it is widely acknowledged that these traits are primarily exhibited by children or the underaged.
In other cultures and societies they may be perfectly acceptible traits.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 09:48 AM
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Behemoth
That guitarist in your avatar looks like he's plucking the strings with his teeth (like Jimi Hendrix before him). Is that right?
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:07 AM
#19
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Simon
Are norms actually averages? Are they universal? What classifications are result to standards? Do you think immatureness is a fault?
Wally
Can you elaborate the usefulness of such a definition if morals are differentiated over individuals and groups?
How do you develope annoyance? What's the point in responsibilities?
Behemoth
Is there a clearly defined standard for maturity? Is there a defined average or is it something you just think there is? Do you see flaws in either extreems of the conformance to these standards?
Use
writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:09 AM
#20
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Originally posted by simonm
Do you?
ok, maybe not, but there's a problem with stereotyping don't you agree?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:14 AM
#21
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It's in the grey area where there is not much difference between saying "yes" and "yes, but that is also valid". On these things you tend to go along with the majority because each and every individual opinion doesn't differ enough from the general consensus.
Annoyance is a reaction to certain behaviour exhibited.
You don't like someone's behaviour because it more or less goes against your moral code.
The point in responsability is that it keeps people in line.
Without it, there is little reason to condemn things like murder.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:16 AM
#22
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Kedaman
Are norms actually averages?
Well, they're perceived averages anyway, I don't know how acurate they are.
Universal to all cultures? I doubt it; each culture has it's own norms.
What classifications are result to standards?
Don't understand this question, sorry.
Do you think immatureness is a fault?
That's a matter of opinion. Sometimes it is considered a plus point. It depends on whether the particular characteristic is generally considered desireable or not.
ok, maybe not, but there's a problem with stereotyping don't you agree?
Obviously, stereotyping is an over simplification, by definition. It is an aid to thinking; simplifying complexity.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:21 AM
#23
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Kedaman
What classifications are result to standards?
After thinking about this question a little more, I think you mean: "Which classifications are made as a result of standards?"
I would say that all classifications are made as a result of standards. I can't think of any that aren't.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:27 AM
#24
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Wally and Simon
This majority or these norms, how do they develop? What are the media in which you find norms? Have you discovered situations where minorities define them? How do you change norms? What complexity do you see in society, its certainly not unfified and massive cultures we see, subcultures, and groups, in all kinds of sizes, even singular relationships between you and everyone else you interact with, have their norms don't you think?
Use
writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:29 AM
#25
Re: immature, childish
Originally posted by kedaman
How would you define it?
Please elaborate
Very simple really, posting a thread about immature, childish behaviour.
Whats next the thread about IQ
give me a break here, psuedo intellectualism sucks at the best of times. People are people and live in their own worlds, regardless of your opinion or my opinion...
Will the sun arise in the morning, take a stance, l can argue either way it makes no difference....
Am l immature funking a dude, and l like it that way, though some may argue against that assumption.
Basically Descarte argued "I think therefore l am", and there is a hell of a lot of arguement disputing that statement...
Of course l only did Phil 101, you want to catch the dudes that did 201 or above to reallyt grove with the whole thing
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:30 AM
#26
Fanatic Member
Kedaman
Where are you going with all this? Can you not get to the point so I can start disagreeing with you?
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:31 AM
#27
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Originally posted by simonm
After thinking about this question a little more, I think you mean: "Which classifications are made as a result of standards?"
I would say that all classifications are made as a result of standards. I can't think of any that aren't.
I mean what kind of classifications, say you classificate religions, is there a standard? if you make standard, what classifications are result of this standardisation?
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:33 AM
#28
Fanatic Member
I mean what kind of classifications, say you classificate religions, is there a standard? if you make standard, what classifications are result of this standardisation?
Nope, I guess I was right originally, I don't understand the question...
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:34 AM
#29
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Re: Re: immature, childish
Originally posted by Jethro
Very simple really, posting a thread about immature, childish behaviour.
Whats next the thread about IQ
give me a break here, psuedo intellectualism sucks at the best of times. People are people and live in their own worlds, regardless of your opinion or my opinion...
Will the sun arise in the morning, take a stance, l can argue either way it makes no difference....
Am l immature funking a dude, and l like it that way, though some may argue against that assumption.
Basically Descarte argued "I think therefore l am", and there is a hell of a lot of arguement disputing that statement...
Of course l only did Phil 101, you want to catch the dudes that did 201 or above to reallyt grove with the whole thing
quoting Douglas adams, "in the beginning the universe was created, this has made a lot of people very angry.."
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:36 AM
#30
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Originally posted by simonm
Nope, I guess I was right originally, I don't understand the question...
ok example, everyone not conforming to the law are classified as criminals.
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 10:39 AM
#31
Fanatic Member
ok example, everyone not conforming to the law are classified as criminals.
Yeah, and what of it?
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 21st, 2002, 02:09 PM
#32
Thread Starter
transcendental analytic
Simon
Where are you going with all this? Can you not get to the point so I can start disagreeing with you?
The society is flawed! I mean, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be evolving. We're heading for something for an extreme where each individual is not imposed a contraint, and its only a matter of time til it happens.
ok, you can now start disagreeing with me all you want 
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writing software in C++ is like driving rivets into steel beam with a toothpick.
writing haskell makes your life easier:
reverse (p (6*9)) where p x|x==0=""|True=chr (48+z): p y where (y,z)=divMod x 13
To throw away OOP for low level languages is myopia, to keep OOP is hyperopia. To throw away OOP for a high level language is insight.
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Feb 22nd, 2002, 04:23 AM
#33
Fanatic Member
ok, you can now start disagreeing with me all you want
OK, I think society is perfect... 
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:30 AM
#34
Registered User
Is there a reason behind this question Ked. Did someone call you names?
I am sure there are better ways to spend your time than argue this particular issue? If you do, can you at least try and crack a couple of jokes to keep the more immature of us entertained
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Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:48 AM
#35
Fanatic Member
I noticed that Kedaman took issue when someone called JBPTennisMan (or was it Patooey) immature in another thread somewhere and asked the accuser to define what he meant by it. They ignored him so I guess it was only a matter of time before we had a thread devoted to the topic.
Everything I say is either loose interpretation of dubious facts or idle speculation rooted in irrational sentiment.
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Feb 22nd, 2002, 05:55 AM
#36
Registered User
Now that's funny, someone insults someone else and Kedaman asks them to define the insult given . Let me take a wild guess... he didn't give a definition right?
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Feb 22nd, 2002, 06:40 AM
#37
Sorry, Kedaman, I've got to ask this:
Based solely on the content of this thread, Is Kedaman
A) A Real Live Human Being.
or
B) AN AI Speech Generator?
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Anyways, I've got to take issue with this statement:
The society is flawed! I mean, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be evolving. We're heading for something for an extreme where each individual is not imposed a contraint, and its only a matter of time til it happens
but I don't have time. Just woke up, gotto have a quick coffee, shower, get to work, build emergancy jobs since our raid controller had a SCSI/Hard drive failure, and our Support team is on the road going to California. Won't be back till Monday. So, It All comes down to me!
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