My god i'm lame

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 14th, 2002, 05:26 PM

right i've been learning HTML for the last week and well it aint going to well, a mate of mine told me to get his index page and save it and edit it, ya know to learn what everything does, well ok that works for me but i dont seem to be able to do anything new every single page i have created is an edit of the index page, i need someone to help me create a descent looking site, or atleast show me where to go for help

This is me begging

**Vincent Puglia** · Feb 14th, 2002, 05:55 PM

Hi,

1) you should use a better title for your thread next time.
2) www.htmlgoodies.com has decent, easy-to-understand tutorials
3) search google for HTML and javascript tutorial sites
4) hire someone

Vinny

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 14th, 2002, 05:56 PM

ok i'll check that out, and the title got your attention so...
thanks anyway

**The Hobo** · Feb 14th, 2002, 06:01 PM

Why can't you create anything new?

Basic HTML Page:

Code:

<html>
<head>
<title>Your Title Here</title>
</head>
<body>
All your body text goes here. This is everything the user sees.
</body>
</html>

HTML is the easiest of any kind of language to learn, but it does take more than a few days. Took me a few weeks to get everything down pat, the about 2 years for me to perfect and master everything.

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 14th, 2002, 06:41 PM

ok, maybe this will explain more easily what i'm tryin to say
http://clik.to/clanice
look at each of the pages

scoutt · Feb 14th, 2002, 06:49 PM

and what is wrong with thos pages. you don't need a different page for every page you have. it is better to stick with a theme like you have and use that.

**The Hobo** · Feb 15th, 2002, 12:24 AM

I agree. A theme is great.

If you want some tips about making web pages, generally stay away from background images, especially bright ones. Stay away from large fots with bright colors, or animated GIFs all over the place.

These are all trademarks of a beginners site. Don't fall into the void...

**richsmith** · Feb 15th, 2002, 03:58 AM

please dont use blasphemy, it is not nice

**The Hobo** · Feb 15th, 2002, 12:21 PM

I'd have to guess that people without religion could careless. Don't try to form everyone to your ways...

scoutt · Feb 15th, 2002, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by richsmith
please dont use blasphemy, it is not nice

who? where?

I don't see any. Hobo was just telling the truth.

**The Hobo** · Feb 16th, 2002, 12:18 AM

I might be wrong about what blasphemy means, so I looked it up.

A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.

So from that definition, I'd have to guess he was refering to the title of this thread.

scoutt · Feb 16th, 2002, 12:24 AM

if that was the case then that was lame,

thanks hobo

**Hastings** · Feb 16th, 2002, 05:10 AM

heh, you still actually use the raw html? i stopped doing that a few years ago, i now use Macromedia Dreamweaver. a great program.

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 16th, 2002, 08:10 AM

see what i mean, whats Dreamweaver then

**chrisjk** · Feb 16th, 2002, 10:30 AM

a wysiwyg HTML authoring program. One of the best by all accounts. Just like Word, you type stuff in, insert pictures and what not and it generates the HTML and saves it.

Avoid MS Frontpage though, one of the worst.

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 16th, 2002, 11:33 AM

ok thanks, and whats wrong with FrontPage? ... (not that i'd use it, of course)

scoutt · Feb 16th, 2002, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Hastings
heh, you still actually use the raw html? i stopped doing that a few years ago, i now use Macromedia Dreamweaver. a great program.

well ya that is the way to go.

Dreamweaver sucks and frontpage sucks. any WYSIWYG program sucks. I did a page in frontpage (just to test it out) and then saved it and opened it up in dreamweaver and it looked like crap. and all it was was 2 tables next to each other. so frontpage makes bad code and dreamweaver can't interpret anything.

But I must say dreamweaver is better than frontpage, but they both still suck.

but frontpage is the devil. don't use it as it makes bad code and puts all the frontpage extension in it.

just my opinion not intended to harm anybody.

**Vincent Puglia** · Feb 16th, 2002, 01:07 PM

Hi,

The worst thing about WYSIWYGs is that they retard the learning process. The best thing about them is that they create mystical (dreamweaver), bloated (frontpage and dreamweaver) code. If you already know how to code somewhat -- stay away from WYSIWYGs. If you are an excellent coder, use them (frontpage over dreamweaver) and then edit the code. If you are a mediocre coder, drop the WYSIWYG and see how much more and faster you will learn to code.

Dreamweaver:
1) insists on prefixing its functions with "MM_" (probably more because the embedded code has more to do with mickeymouse than macromedia)
2) writes more code than is necessary or desired -- presumably because they want to make sure they are covering every possible target (document.frame2, opener.document.frame3, d.lyr1.divid.d.lyr2.divid.lyr3.divid.d..... when there's only one div/layer on the page
3) beginner's cannot decypher the code and when a new browser version comes out, they are forced to buy a new version of dreamweaver because the original one they had doesn't cover the new features or crashes when it tries to use them.

FrontPage:
1) insists on coding for jScript rather than javascript -- then again, it is a m$ product so you have to expect the bias
2) throws in FP Extensions code instead of generic javascript -- again, it is a M$ product
3) the last version I used (FPXpress) would needlessly put <font> tags all over the place

Then again, the above is my opinion & unlike scoutt, I don't care whom I offend

Vinny

**chrisjk** · Feb 16th, 2002, 02:19 PM

FP Express is a lot better than FP IMO

It's fairly tidy and not especially stupid.

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 16th, 2002, 02:23 PM

well i have no idea what version of FP i used it was the one that came with Office 2000 Pro, but that was kinda cool, but as i have never used any other similar proggie i have nothin to compare it to

**The Hobo** · Feb 16th, 2002, 06:04 PM

I still code all my webpages by hand and I don't see anything wrong with it. Why do I need a program if I'm already good enough without it? I don't understand that.

Pretty soon they'll have version of VB and C++ that do all the coding for you. Eventually, they'll get to the point where they don't even need someone to operate the program.

It's a conspiracy!

I'll code everything by hand until the day I die. The only reason I'd learn Dreamweaver is to able to put it on a resume.

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 17th, 2002, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by The Hobo
I still code all my webpages by hand and I don't see anything wrong with it. Why do I need a program if I'm already good enough without it? I don't understand that.

really, ... hmm then maybe you can help me then, how can i tile a piccie/texture as my background

**chrisjk** · Feb 17th, 2002, 01:24 PM

it should tile automatically given a picture smaller than the browser window

Code:

<body background="image.gif">

**Paxthegreat** · Feb 17th, 2002, 01:33 PM

ok this may seem a simple question but do i put that where the background colour is now (in the .css file) or somewhere on each page

**The Hobo** · Feb 17th, 2002, 03:52 PM

For CSS it would be:

Code:

  background : url("http://www.mysite.com/picture.gif");

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