Bill Gates vs Java

[Fool]

I heard that Microsoft has, or will be, dropping support for Java. Is this true?

[Cudabean]

Yes, it's true.

They said they would dropping the automatic installation of the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) from their browser. But that just means that if you want to run java applets, you'll just have to get a plugin that sun has available for download already.

I think that Microsoft has also killed j++. They are promoting C# and have translators like JUMP to convert j++ into C#.

cudabean

[Dillinger4]

Funny thing is that you can get the plug in from Microsofts site. So does this make sense? They drop support but then they offer the plug in for download. In the future i hope that there is no clear cut winner in the Java C# war. I doubt there will be since there is too much existing Java code out there for someone to shift over to C#. Plus who wants to do everything in Microsoft?

[kleptos]

I am in no way siding with Microsoft, actually i have my differences i would love to iron out with them. C# is close enuff to Java that if a java programmer wanted to switch, it wouldnt take much. Change a few keywords, like 'Imports' amd stuff, and you'll have C#.

[CaptainPinko]

well Java is meant to be platform independent, which isn't necessarily agreeable w/ Mircrosofts ideaology

[kleptos]

Thats true, i dont think i was ever able to get a J++ app to work in Linux, not that J++ is great, it was horrible, but it can take a windows activex contol and transform it to java usability, again, only on a MS platform.

[Dillinger4]

Posted by CaptainPinko
well Java is meant to be platform independent, which isn't necessarily agreeable w/ Mircrosofts ideaology

What makes you say that? Because one would assume that Micro$oft wants all software to be run on Windows OS's? While i do agree with you somewhat i think microsoft would get left behind in the software industry if they stuck to this approach.

While i do like microsofts products i dont like the fact that they are trying to corner the market in every way shape and form. I have no problem using products from them but who wants to do everything according to the microsoft way? And of course people are going to say "well there are plenty of other companies the produce software products that you can use" but what happens if every company adopts that microsoft ideaology? Then when i go for a job i haved to be forced to work with software products or languages that are not my choosing.

[kleptos]

In defense to Other OS's and Development tools, you cant (currently) run C#, VB.NET, ASP.NET, Etc on any platform other then a Windows Based OS. However Java can go Anywhere. If Microsoft wanted cross-platform (Which they wont because they want to be the only makes for OS) then C# or ASP.NET would be created for ANY OS, not just Windows.

[Dillinger4]

I haven't looked into C# that much but i thought Microsoft created C# for for cross platform programming.

[Fool]

Originally posted by Dilenger4
I haven't looked into C# that much but i thought Microsoft created C# for for cross platform programming.

Haha, that's a good one.

[Dillinger4]

Posted by Fool
Haha, that's a good one.

What do you find so funny

[Cudabean]

Originally posted by Dilenger4


What do you find so funny

Probably the fact that you used cross-platform and Microsoft in the same sentence. It's things like that that go against Microsoft's business model.

Oops, sorry, cross-platform, according to Microsoft, means a program that will run in Win95, Win98, WinME, Winnt, 2k, X...

cudabean

[kleptos]

Its funny you mention J++, a few days ago Microsoft announced J#, J-Sharp, which is a remake of J++ for the .NET platform, which i am willing to bet wont be cross platform either. Unless they decide to release the .NET framework for other OS's, of course even if they do, linux users wont even glance at it. They wont want MS tampering with their Non-MS OS.

[Dillinger4]

Thanks kleptos i didn't know MicroSoft was putting out J#. Ill have to look into it.

[kleptos]

Here is the link from Microsoft, i dont know if anyone wanted to check it out or not.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualj/jsharp/beta.asp

[Dillinger4]

Posted by kleptos
Here is the link from Microsoft, i dont know if anyone wanted to check it out or not.

Im gonna check it out right now. I want to see what Gates is up to now. World domination i guess.

[kleptos]

J++ wasnt so hot and famous when it was around so i doubt that J# will be all that great either, and to me it makes no sense, C# is like Java as it is, why create J#, it cant be all that different.