The Best PDA/Pocket PC - Vote!

**boscord** · Dec 18th, 2001, 03:42 PM

Hey - For all of you guys planning on getting PDAs and Pocket PCs, or for those of you who already have them, Im in need of a little help.

Which one do you think is the best, taking into account multiple features, options, expandability, compatibility, and cost?

Thanks!

**filburt1** · Dec 18th, 2001, 05:10 PM

Clie rocks: high res color screen, memory stick, optional MP3 player, and Palm OS which beats the crap out of Pocket PC!

**boscord** · Dec 18th, 2001, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
Clie rocks: high res color screen, memory stick, optional MP3 player, and Palm OS which beats the crap out of Pocket PC!

Yeah, thats what I was planning on getting, so now Im glad that I wasnt just being duped by that damn, fat, and blue sony alien!

Yeah, the Clie N760 is what Im looking at, because with the MP3 player and all, thats a pretty nice combo.

Anyway, Thanks!

**JungleMan** · Dec 18th, 2001, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
Clie rocks: high res color screen, memory stick, optional MP3 player, and Palm OS which beats the crap out of Pocket PC!

Dude, Palm OS couldn't beat the crap out of Pocket PC on its best day...

I would opt for a Palm-based organizer, and Palm is much more expandable, but stop smoking crack dude...

BTW, Sony's MP3 player uses Memory sticks which are
1) Proprietary
2) can only be copied to 3 times

**boscord** · Dec 18th, 2001, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

BTW, Sony's MP3 player uses Memory sticks which are
1) Proprietary
2) can only be copied to 3 times

Can only be copied to 3 times?

Ummm....you're kidding, right?

**JungleMan** · Dec 18th, 2001, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by boscord

Can only be copied to 3 times?

Ummm....you're kidding, right?

Well, that is somewhat true, any unlicensed music can only be copied to the stick 3 times before you have to buy a new memory stick. That's what the Music Clip operated on and that's why it sucked so bad.

"Licensed" music, AKA POS demos and ****, can be copied as many times as u want.

**Sastraxi** · Dec 18th, 2001, 08:00 PM

Let me write you a program that will change the headers of all your MP3s to have non copyright and original checked

**JungleMan** · Dec 18th, 2001, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Sastraxi
Let me write you a program that will change the headers of all your MP3s to have non copyright and original checked

yuo = teh win

**boscord** · Dec 18th, 2001, 08:34 PM

Sooo...

I can only copy 3 copyrighted songs? Dammit...

Oh well, is there an easy way to remove that copyright stuff or anything - As you can tell I have no knowledge on this subject.

Also, how can anything tell if its licensed?

Anyway...thx

**JungleMan** · Dec 18th, 2001, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by boscord
Sooo...

I can only copy 3 copyrighted songs? Dammit...

Oh well, is there an easy way to remove that copyright stuff or anything - As you can tell I have no knowledge on this subject.

Also, how can anything tell if its licensed?

Anyway...thx

uhh, read what Sastraxi just posted

**Sastraxi** · Dec 18th, 2001, 11:07 PM

He sent me a PM

Yep I can do that, it'll go right along with the MP3 Decoding Library I was writing. I'll just write it to the file, and no harm done

**boscord** · Dec 19th, 2001, 04:46 PM

Alright - awesome!

Yeah - just let me know when its finished etc...

Thx

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 09:10 PM

Yo Sastraxi I dont need that program to remove copyright protection on the Memory Stick.

As long as you dont use that trap known as MagicGate Technology, and use the normal, purple memory sticks, it is fine.

You can copy whatever you want, as much as you want - no restrictions at all.

DAMN! You had me scared for a minute there!

Adios!

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by boscord
Yo Sastraxi I dont need that program to remove copyright protection on the Memory Stick.

As long as you dont use that trap known as MagicGate Technology, and use the normal, purple memory sticks, it is fine.

You can copy whatever you want, as much as you want - no restrictions at all.

DAMN! You had me scared for a minute there!

Adios!

I think all CLIEs require MagicGate...not sure though..

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

I think all CLIEs require MagicGate...not sure though..

You must have heard that from one of your Pocket PC conspirators! - Hehehe!

Nope, I got the Clie 760 and I am currently using 3 memory sticks (8 MB, 32 MB, & 128 MB) and all are normal, purple, non-MagicGate sticks - They All Work!

Woo-Hoo!

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by boscord

You must have heard that from one of your Pocket PC conspirators! - Hehehe!

Nope, I got the Clie 760 and I am currently using 3 memory sticks (8 MB, 32 MB, & 128 MB) and all are normal, purple, non-MagicGate sticks - They All Work!

Woo-Hoo!

Great but meh pocket pc still 0wnz j00

as does my new Upgrade Archos jukebox with 20gb

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Great but meh pocket pc still 0wnz j00

as does my new Upgrade Archos jukebox with 20gb

The archos jukebox might, especially with the 20 gb upp, but "Meh Clie will nEvA bow to da p0cket pEcE! w00t! w00t!"

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by boscord

The archos jukebox might, especially with the 20 gb upp, but "Meh Clie will nEvA bow to da p0cket pEcE! w00t! w00t!"

Your Clie sucks compared to all the crap my PPC can do...full fledged web browser...file system..full color games..and i bet cheaper than your Clie...$199 for my PPC, that's what black and white Clies go for.

oh yeah did i mention great battery life?

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Your Clie sucks compared to all the crap my PPC can do...full fledged web browser...file system..full color games..and i bet cheaper than your Clie...$199 for my PPC, that's what black and white Clies go for.

oh yeah did i mention great battery life?

Speaking of my 320x320 65,000 color screen and my built in MP3 player with remote, oops - right...the topic at hand...

Battery Life:
a) Casio EM500 - 7/10 Hours
b) Sony Clie PEG-N760C - 2 Weeks

What were you saying again?
Stats according to a) Casio Website & b) 2002 Mobile Technology Sourcebook
BTW - Why is battery life such a huge factor for you?

Both have full color games
Pcket PC has the Clie on the browser part but...
Both have the normal file system everyone knows so...

What have you got left man???

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by boscord
What have you got left man???

I have a MMC slot, you've got to buy more expensive and proprietary memory sticks.

No, since most Palm OS games aren't in color, there are only a handful that are in color. Almost all PPCs are in color, therefore most if not all games are in color. Hell, you can even play Quake on a PPC

Palm OS does not have a normal file system, my dad has a Palm IIIxe, i've seen it

Video player? Voice recorder? Pocket Word? Pocket Excel? MS Money, Pocket Streets, Microsoft Reader? Didn't think so.

What about playing short WAV clips (it's easy to h4x0r it) for a wake up alarm? PPC has it, Palm does not...

Oops, forgot to mention. On Pricewatch, the lowest priced Mp3 playing CLIE is $368. Mine was $199. So not only did I get way more features than you, but had i bought this myself I would have paid less.

What have you got left man???

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

I have a MMC slot, you've got to buy more expensive and proprietary memory sticks.

No, since most Palm OS games aren't in color, there are only a handful that are in color. Almost all PPCs are in color, therefore most if not all games are in color. Hell, you can even play Quake on a PPC

Palm OS does not have a normal file system, my dad has a Palm IIIxe, i've seen it

Video player? Voice recorder? Pocket Word? Pocket Excel? MS Money, Pocket Streets, Microsoft Reader? Didn't think so.

What about playing short WAV clips (it's easy to h4x0r it) for a wake up alarm? PPC has it, Palm does not...

Oops, forgot to mention. On Pricewatch, the lowest priced Mp3 playing CLIE is $368. Mine was $199. So not only did I get way more features than you, but had i bought this myself I would have paid less.

What have you got left man???

Games: Ive got plenty of games, both in color and in black in white. Soon, Grand Theft Auto for Palm OS is coming out, I just got finished with some Serious Sam - similar to a Quake/Wolf 3D, and I just played a FULL version game of Sim City.

I have no problem using memory Sticks, seeing as they are compatible with other Sony devices I have like a Digital 8 Handycam

MS Money - Nope (WHAT A LOSS!) But Ive got a load of financial sotware that I have, and can get for free
Pocket Word - Got it
Pocket Excel - Got it
Pocket Streets & city directories - Got em in FULL detail with more info on my home town then I could ever have known
Microsoft Reader - You know i got it
Video player - Got it (Man - Did you even look at Clie stats!?!)
With BugMe software and/or other - MP3s can be used as alarms
Just look at the huge archives of free palm software across the net!

Now Im going to go back to watching some nice fine music videos and listening to my MP3s - you have to go and get your separate Archos, which is SWEET by the way. BTW - I got tons of versatile software like using my Clie as a remote on my TV/DVD/Furby/Etc... (OmniRemote for all those who know).

Man - before you get in the ring to argue - make sure you know your stats.

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by boscord
Now Im going to go back to watching some nice fine music videos and listening to my MP3s - you have to go and get your separate Archos

Oh really? So why do I have Windows Media Player with a full fledged Mp3 player in it? eh?

Mine came with a free 32MB memory card, you've got to buy even more stuff to add to the $400 price tag..

Why don't YOU learn YOUR stats.

**boscord** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Oh really? So why do I have Windows Media Player with a full fledged Mp3 player in it? eh?

Why don't YOU learn YOUR stats.

Oooh...SH*T!!

I got my ass beat there...

Anyway...Just look at everything else I got you on - I believe im still one up!

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:54 PM

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/p...0c_specs.shtml

BTW, I see nothing in here about any of the aforementioned MS Applications. Why don't you provide some linkage.

**JungleMan** · Dec 30th, 2001, 11:57 PM

Oh yeah, and in case there's a few applications your palm can run that my PPC can't, I've always got PocketPalm. A Palm OS emulator for Pocket PC.

http://www.pocketnow.com/html/news/a...ocketpalm.html

Not like I'd want to, but i could.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:00 AM

Look up the following software applications:

a) Documents To Go
b) QuickOffice

All fully compatible office applications for the Palm OS
Of course they are not going to be made my Microsoft - BUT WHAT A LOSS Again! - I have no problem straying from that pack...

Just check em out on Handango...

Common man...you can try harder than that!

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Look up the following software applications:

a) Documents To Go
b) QuickOffice

All fully compatible office applications for the Palm OS

Just check em out on Handango...

Common man...you can try harder than that!

OK, so they exist, but again, that's dishing out more money.

You've dished out $400 for the Clie, probably $50 on the memory stick, and you'd have to dish out, well i'm not sure of the price, but i bet it isn't too cheap, on Documents To Go, and you stilll haven't matched up with my PPC yet which is $200 at Costco.

http://www.dataviz.com/products/desktoptogo/index.html

HEHE, that's funny, third party software to sync with Outlook. I didn't even have to do so much as press a button for mine to sync with Outlook flawlessly.

Try harder.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:10 AM

Ok..so we are back to money - but if we are looking at quality - the Clie's gotcha - you have to see it by now! Dont tell me BS about try harder - we are talking quality - as in "The Best PDA/Pocket PC"

Anyway - i dont think either of us is going to change our minds because Im convinced that my Clie can beat the sh*t out of your Pocket PC, and you think the exact opposite - so this is obviously going nowhere.

Ok - If you really want to you can come back with some stats and ill shoot them down again or comeback with something else and we can play this game into the wee hours of the night - or - you can stick with your opinion and ill stick with my fact. Let me know what you think.

BTW - Palm Desktop 4.0.1 has built in setting for sync with Outlook and several other e-mail clients.

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Ok..so we are back to money - but if we are looking at quality - the Clie's gotcha - you have to see it by now! Dont tell me BS about try harder - we are talking quality - as in "The Best PDA/Pocket PC"

Quality is not an issue here, because neither of us have anything to back up our statements about quality. I can tell you about my endless nightmares with my Sony notebook, but I won't.

If your Clie was $199 with Documents to go and a 32MB memory stick I still wouldn't touch it.

Palm OS sucks, why do you think their stock is at like $2 now?

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Ok - If you really want to you can come back with some stats and ill shoot them down again or comeback with something else and we can play this game into the wee hours of the night - or - you can stick with your opinion and ill stick with my fact. Let me know what you think.

Mine is fact. I have applications INCLUDED. I have more features. I have less proprietary interfaces. Mine is seamlessly integrated with MS Office. I dont' have to buy a ton of third-party software to sync with Outlook or read word documents.

I have an MP3 player, a 320x320 color screen just as you do, even a potential Palm emulator in case I do want to run some of the POS applications you run on your Palm.

And to put the icing on the cake, I paid much much less.

Face it. Pocket PC wins over Palm.

I'm going to bed now, so don't expect any replies from me until tomorrow-- my priorities at 12:15 at night are not to carry on a pointless and obvious debate with a Palm fanboy who realized he paid too much.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman

Quality is not an issue here, because neither of us have anything to back up our statements about quality. I can tell you about my endless nightmares with my Sony notebook, but I won't.

Palm OS sucks, why do you think their stock is at like $2 now?

Quality is not an issue? Are you *****ing insane?!?

And please dont tell me that your new base of argument against the Clie is now going to be stock...

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by boscord

Quality is not an issue? Are you *****ing insane?!?

And please dont tell me that your new base of argument against the Clie is now going to be stock...

Well, quality IS an issue, but we know nothing about whether your Sony is more quality made or my casio is more quality made, so we can't argue about that.

No, but it sure shows that the world is moving to Pocket PC.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:19 AM

Question: What model do you have?

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Question: What model do you have?

Casio EM500. One of the lower end PPCs, but still excellent, and I'd take it over your Clie any day

I assume u have the highest end Clie model?

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:23 AM

Oh really?

Dont lie man - According to their web site it claims 240x320 display - tis a relatively smaller thing - but dont make up stats.

if you find a website saying otherwise - send it over - but according to my sources - you are full of sh*t...

If you are going to BS, dont even waste my time...

BTW - If you really want to we can go back to arguing software, battery life, etc..etc...

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Oh really?

Dont lie man - According to their web site it claims 240x320 display - tis a relatively smaller thing - but dont make up stats.

if you find a website saying otherwise - send it over - but according to my sources - you are full of sh*t...

If you are going to BS, dont even waste my time...

Whoops, sorry, my bad, It's 320x240.

Don't accuse me of making up ****, you thought mine didn't play mp3s.

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by boscord

Oooh...SH*T!!

I got my ass beat there..

You see? Everyone makes mistakes.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:27 AM

Fair enough...I give you that

We've both made mistakes in here

Are we done or is there more???

Hehehe...

**JungleMan** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by boscord
Fair enough...I give you that

We've both made mistakes in here

Are we done or is there more???

Hehehe...

LOL..I'm getting kind of tired..

Maybe it's all personal preference. Perhaps you like the Palm OS more. Perhaps I like the Pocket PC OS more. Because, for the life of me, I can't comprehend why you like yours better. But that's you

I always end a silly debate with this-- they are both great.

I think I'll maybe talk more tomorrow.

**boscord** · Dec 31st, 2001, 12:28 AM

BTW - This is not argumentative - im just curious and I dont feel like looking it up online - and Id rather not make another mistake - what is the audio speaker/output setup on the EM500?

im just curious...

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