A WILD BUT COOL IDEA

[dimava]

You know how in the MATRIX, in the very beggining there is this program that could crack any password, has anyone ever tried making a program like that? (not for hacking)





You could go to the second page (this problem has been kinda soved)

[Edited by dimava on 06-24-2000 at 11:36 AM]

[gfk]

Guess what? The Matrix IS NOT REAL.

[dimava]

I know but my friend said he had a program like that, I was just wondering if someone could make it in VB

[gfk]

Your friend watches too much TV.

There are so many different methods of encryption/data protection, it's impossible to have a single program which can decrypt anything.

[dimava]

Ok, guess I'll have to kill him


thanks for the info

[Eiredrake]

Actually that program wasn't decrypting anything it was trying to locate what phone number that transmission was coming in under. It was probably similiar to an IP address since the phone was just a representation of a network connection.

Actually it wasn't even all that efficient at it really... They can trace phones better than that now.


Eiredrake

[SYAlam]

There really isnt a universal "cracker" but there are different methods. I mean you can sendkeys and bruteforce crack, or use decryption methods for BlowFish, RSA, RCA4 encryption. Its a matter of choosing which way to decrypt. Its a tough task to determine what kind of encryption method was used. I wouldn't really try doing it, because its a waste of time for me of course. Matrix was a cool movie though, i love the special effects

[kb244]

I dont want to be rude, but I've seen so many people that thought that a crack will work for any software, just to kind of clear things up , when it comes to cracks, they are normally for a specific program, even a sepecific version, because it looks for a location in the memory of the code, changes some things, like jump points, or remove nag screen, also as far as passwords go, it would be nearly impossible for a universal cracker, since there are zillions of possible algorithms, and without knowing what one is you wouldnt have much luck, the only effective password decrypter is Brute force(not an actual program, its a method of trial and error) which throws in every possible combination of passwords, this method is usally extremely slow, and most computers will block out any user attempting to try a login more than a dozen times (especially supicious when its 50 trys a second) but in anycase there are sites to find cracks,keygens, etc which I will not mention on this site(since it's well known already)

[rino_2]

Hi,

No it's not possible to make a password cracker for all programs. However it is possible to make them for some. My friend is also a VB programmer and he made a program that was password protected and asked me to make a VB program to hack it. I did, and it worked! I was lucky because my friend had set the ok button to default so after generating a random combination of numbers and letters I used the SendKeys function to send the Enter key to accept. It wasn't a good program that I made and it wasn't able to detect if it had entered the right password, thus, after it sent the correct password it still send randomly generated passwords when no text box was selected. This coursed the computers internal speaker to make one hell of a racket and eventual crash! Bottom line, it takes a good computer programmer to make a password cracker! I know where you can download some (FOR INTERESTS SACK). (no hacking URLS please - John)

[Edited by John on 06-26-2000 at 07:24 AM]

[kb244]

The Site I was refereing to was (no hacking URLs please - John)

its a crack, keygen, serial search engine.

the method of the guy above me about the program that crashed, is exactly one of the reason why people dont use brute force, its not that they're a good programmer, most crackers, for specific software, already know the altgorithm and where to make the changes, and only needs to perform them once, also keygens are made when the programmer knows how a key is geenrated in the first place. Brute force can be effective if the computer can handle it, and it depends upon the method you use it on.

[Edited by John on 06-26-2000 at 07:25 AM]

the original post said "NOT FOR HACKING" what the hell other reason is there for trying to illegally obtain passwords?????

Don't pretend that you aren't interested in hacking. Every programmer worth his salt are interested in it, however only those that realise hacking is a loser's sport should be allowed access to developement software.

Anyway, thats my tuppence worth after a drink too many.

[dimava]

Well Maybe it's called hacking (but I don't think so) like tring to obtain a AOL password, Password for Diffrent Accounts, Windows Password (just examples)

[kb244]

In my opinion the only good reason a developer would be interested in hacking besides the illegal stuff, is to understand the exploits, it helps us as developers work towards making software that cant be cracked by the usual "duh" routines. thats just my two cents, In my opionion theres a big difference between the lame HAcking, and the somewhat useful cracking of software.

Originally posted by wossname
the original post said "NOT FOR HACKING" what the hell other reason is there for trying to illegally obtain passwords?????

Don't pretend that you aren't interested in hacking. Every programmer worth his salt are interested in it, however only those that realise hacking is a loser's sport should be allowed access to developement software.

Anyway, thats my tuppence worth after a drink too many.

In other words, he is not responsible for what you do with the software that you get from there. Legally it's right. For example, If I say, go to http://www.gd.com for information on global domination and how to control people's mind, I can say "For info purposes only. I'm not responsible for what you do with this info" and I cannot be charged. I stated that I am not responsible for it.

[kb244]

Megatron is right, alot of pirating, cracking or otherwise sites will say a disclaimer, something like "These are for educational purposes only, use at your own risk, we are not responsible..." and so forth, the crack or the program itself made for cracking is not illegal in itself, and stating a usage otherwise helps them keep their legality.

[dimava]

Ok, now to change the subject,

do any of you know how to hack websites?

I really wanna know

[kb244]

I think your question really is "do any of you know how to hack a webserver" a website is nothing more than just files, first off need to figure out what kind of webserver it is, what security holes there are, I Dont know how to hack one, but I Can tell you this, it isnt something that you can download a program to do it for you.

[invitro]

First of all... if u wanna talk about all this goto the chitchat forum. Sorry to be rude
Second of all, its possible to make a universal cracker... but it would take about 99x10^9999999999 years to crack a program. Even simple encrypted strings can take up to years to crack trough brute force.

When i said universal cracker, i dint mean 1 method which is used for all. But a program which combines different methods to get the password. But all this is far into the future... dont even look at VB for complex concepts like that.

NOW MOVE THIS TO THE CHITCHAT FORUM!!!!!
Dont watch to many movies. They will brain wash you...

Cheers,
InVitro

[dimava]

Really? How many Years?
I have a Athlon 1Ghz PC with 128 MB SDRAM
how long will it take on my PC?

[Superkat86]

To find a password in vb you just need to copy the *'s for mor visit http://gator.naples.net/~nfn18616/

[invitro]

Make a program that decrypts data like that first.. using over 10000 methods of decryption, tell me how many loops and functions u put in there, and then we'll talk.

[dimava]

I'm 12 I have no idea about hacking (well I just hacked the RI SCHOOL DEPARTMENT WEBSITE. well not exactly hacked but logged in to there servers using FTP) but still, I have to idea of how to get passwords

VB is not the language for doing any hacking. Most advanced hacking software is either written in C++ or Assembly.

[dimava]

Ok, But I saw some software made in VB that was used for hacking

What kind of hacking was it? Was it fast at doing it? You could always make a better version of a VB program using C++.

[kb244]

Maybe it was a very simple KeyGen or something.

[dimava]

It was a program that tries every possible combination of letters and numbers for Office 2000 (it took about 5 hours to find it)

[kb244]

sounds like a weak brute force, I could find the serial for an office2000 in a matter of seconds, since they already have keygens out there(microsoft doesnt just make random numbers)

[Paul282]

How many people here know what is involved with brute forcing a password?

It's not really an option anymore, there are better methods of crypto-analysm.

for example, take DES encryption, it's considered weak now as it is only 56bit. meaning it has 2^56 possible keys. That's a big number.The record for guessing a key is 56 hours and the system had 1500 cpu's distrubuted. It would take many years on my home PC.

128 bit encription is not possible to brute force! (maybe in the future, but not the forseable future) even using something like Seti@home won't crack 128 bit encription before the sun engulfs the earth.

Even then, if you attempt to brute force something like DES, knowing when you decrypt the origional message is not easy. DES won't say "Wrong, try again" it just unscambles the cyphertext with the key you give it, if the message is readable then it's right. If you just search a piece of decrypted text for known words to see if it's readable you're in for a surprise, 2^56 randoms cyphers generates most words eventually and what if the message was a word doc or a zip file?(Binary)? so, multiply 2^56 by the number of format checks you have to do after each decrypt. Imagine waiting 10 years and searching the entire keyspace just to find out that your software didn't find anything readable because the secret Nuke plans were in arabic!

It's not about a big loop till the software says "Congratulations!".

The DES algorithm is on-line and the tutorials are very easy to read, you don't need to be a maths professor to code it in VB, very worth taking a look at if you want to know about what's actually involved in real world encription, not just "Swap the letter" or "XOR the text to a password"

Public key encryption is usually about 1024 bit because it's inherantly easier to crack. with a public key you get some text that you know and encrypt it, then instead of sending it that user, you try to decrypt it KNOWING what the message will be, if you get it right then you have that private key and you can get anything ecrypted with that key.

For these reasons Crypto-Analysts ARE maths professors looking for patterns in number factors and primes to help find a way around the password rather than through it.

Next time a friend tells you that he's written a VB tool to decrypt any text, humour them and tell them that you'll have to report it to the CIA!

or better still, laugh at them for being a moron



[Edited by Paul282 on 06-22-2000 at 10:51 PM]

[HeSaidJoe]

there are pgms in vb that will seach out the registery or what not for passwords that have been "save my password"
defaulted...after all, if it's on your hard drive, someone will find a way to get at it...think the apps on Planet but I'm not sure...tried it and it picked up a lot...old and newer....

dimava

I have a 650 K7 with 128 and every now and then, especially on sites using heavy java script and asp
I lock up....does this happen on yours?

[HeSaidJoe]

Readme for Inet Pass Cracker v1.1
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This program shows you the cached dialup passwords of the system it is run on !

ADDED: You can open dialup networking now and you can copy the passwords to clipboard.

If the password isn't fully visible (if it's too long or something) doubleclick it !

This program is freeware !

please visit my website at (no hacking URLs please - John)

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Copyright 1999 Black Flash
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[Edited by John on 06-26-2000 at 07:26 AM]

[dimava]

I have a cabel modem
my hard drice is 37 GIG and only 1GIG free
My PC crashes all the time I need to reformat it soon

[Paul282]

Originally posted by dimava
You know how in the MATRIX, in the very beggining there is this program that could crack any password, has anyone ever tried making a program like that? (not for hacking)

If you're into this you should see the movie "Sneekers" That was a great film on this topic

[nitrolic2]

Ok you guys im going to sound like an idiot at this point:

But for example if i want text to appear in another programms text box (the text comes out of your programm) what do you need to do? API calls? ....

thanks

[kb244]

To alter another program's inputs, I would think if you can get the handle of the textbox, then use a SendKey api to it.

[dimava]

Take it easy on me, I'm only 12, but what's API? I always here people talking about it but what is it?

[Mih_Flyer]

they are "Application Programming Interface", i think you will find some help in Visual basic's help files, go and check, don't you have a VB book, there are many good ones to teach you API, try to find some good one.

[dimava]

I have

SAMS VISUAL BASIC 6 IN 24 HOURS - no API
SAMS VISUAL BASiC 5 IN 24 HOURS - no API
VISUAL BASIC 5 DATABASE - HOW TO - 3 pages in API


maybe I'm getting the wrong books.

[Mih_Flyer]

yes, i think you have the wrong books, try to find some good books, but do not ask me about names

[Paul282]

I don't think you have the wrong books, but it's probably time you moved on from them.

an API is a set of functions that is written by the product vendors or writors, in Windows the API means the Win32 API or the Windows API. Many of the things that you see windows do that can't be done in visual basic are use API programming. It takes a bit of study before you can actually use it but Microsoft have published the windows API (or at least most of it) so that other people can use it too.

In VB help look up the "Declare" keyword. That what you use to link an API function from on of the core DLL files in MS windows (like Kernel32.dll for the system itself, GDI32 for graphics). Then it's like a function or sub already written for you. There are thousands of API functions that do all sorts of things and sometimes when you can't do something in VB or VB can't do it fast enough, you call the API functions for extra functionality.

There are quite a few VB books that are quite good for VB beginners who are moving on from being beginners. The book I have which I like is QUE, Using VB6 Special edition. It goes in to classes, ActiveX controls and API, Database access etc but starts easier. You'll probably find the first quarter of the book is pretty much the same as the books you own, but I don't thin a 24hr guide or a dummies book is going to teach you what you want to know.

Take a look at amazon.com, often reading through the customers comments helps you find a good book. Although it might be worth sitting down in a book shop and leafing through a few books to find one with the topics you want to know about and a format you find easy to learn from.

Hope this helps.