RealJ

[Andreex]

HI...

I want to learn Java. I downloaded RealJ... but I just cant make my applications run. I alredy downloaded de SDK. But it doesnt comile! What do I need to install?

Thank you!

[tcullen]

Best bet is to get a copy of jbuilder.

It uses pure Java and highlights errors when compiling with exact location of the error.

I'm just learning too with no previous programming experience and had all the same problems with the downloads. Drop me a line when you have a project to work on as I could do with something to work on.

[e-mulan]

you can find info here:
http://www.javaworld.com/columns/jw-101-index.shtml

just using JDK is enough for learning Java. anyway if you have some graphic IDE, it will be convinient.you can choose Jbuilder, J++,VAJ,Forte Java.

[zmerlinz]

i just stick to using the jdk personally, but if you are after a gui, i suggest a program called BlueJ, it is very cool

[Andreex]

isnt ForteJ the same than JBuilder? I downloaded forteJ and when I installed it... it came out as Jbuilder..... is that right... or am I confussed?

[Dillinger4]

JCreator is the best IDE. period. It's written in C++ as opposed to those other IDE's. FORTE is good but unless your system is running a large amount of ram. It is crap.

[Serge]

I agree, JCreator is great, espessially if you used VC++ or InterDev before. I looks so much like them. The only thing I wish they would add is the support for swings.

[Dillinger4]

Do you mean like drag and drop controls like Visual Basic has?
Didn't we has a discussion about this before. Real men code their GUI's.

[e-mulan]

Originally posted by Dilenger4
Real men code their GUI's.

I would say, real man code app without IDE.
(but that's in the past)

[Dillinger4]

You said that right!

[Serge]

There is no such thing as "Real Man" when it comes to programming. Many programmers will say that "real man" will use ASM or at least C.

[Dillinger4]

Your right. Im only kidding anyway. If an Java IDE did implement say a tool box like Visual Basic has. Why has it yet to be done? Im not saying that it would be a good thing or a bad thing. I just see it being alot of work on the part of the person developing the IDE itself. For instance i use JCreator. Now i havent seen any use of what you would call code complete or intellsense(to use Micoro$oft's terms) within the IDE. Maybe it's there but i havent seen an option so far to turn it on. So if there is no code complete what would make them put in a tool box and implement a way to access all of the properties that go allong with them?

[Serge]

If you use JCreator LE then you don't get intellisense
I use JCreator Pro which has that option.

Also, JBuilder has a "build gui" feature. Where you add your components as you do in VB. And you can actually get a free version of it from Here

[Dillinger4]

If you use JCreator LE then you don't get intellisense
I use JCreator Pro which has that option.

Right now im using JCreator pro but i have yet to get it registered. I think i still have about 20 days left so im still good. Do you think the option is there even though i haven't registered yet?

[CaptainPinko]

isn't it hypocritical to design a Java IDE in C++ b/c C++ is supposedly better?

[Dillinger4]

Posted by CaptainPinko
Isn't it hypocritical to design a Java IDE in C++ b/c C++ is supposedly better?

No not really. C++ is faster of course. Obviously becuse it's a compiled language. So it would make sense to code an IDE in this language maybe with in line Assebly in parts to optimize. But faster doesn't necessarily mean better. If you programming games where speed in an issue then C++ and Assembly would be used. (I don't think that Soul Caliber2 would be very good coded in Java) From the very onset Java has had networking programming in mind. Im not too familar with C++'s support for networking programming but i don't think that it comes close to Java's. Also since Java is able to run on multiple OS's it has to deal with diffent file structures which is no easy task.