READ---> A couple of misunderstandments can cause hell to break loose

[kedaman]

I've done an analysis over the latest arguments and of offensive attitudes as well as missunderstandments.
My position to do so could be debatable course, but my merits are that I don't advocate any religion as well as being instrumentalist, and I do advocate peace and respect

towards individuals. I can be pretty much independent of emotional biases when I want.

If you want to debate over anything in my analysis go ahead. I will respond to reasoning, I will not tolerate any more offenses though.

My concern of doing this analysis is because of two people leaving this forum because of these arguments, there might be others, and I hope this will clear things out.




1. Ghost: Shut up She wasn't selling god, she was just giving thanks to allah in the month of ramadan ok?
she posted it in the wrong forum, ok, have a go at her for that

and its not religious bollocks, just coz u dont believe in it, dont insult it, coz i find the term "religious bollocks" very offensive, and like kovan said, this for

off-the-topic discussions...u dont like religious threads...ignore them....if u open a thread 2 find its religious, press back and leave, dont stay and ***** and whine about

it, it just makes you look pathetic

2. Katie: (Addressing Ghost) Okay...I've tried to keep quite but I just can't.

When Harry posts something that you don't like you tell him to shut up and stop posting things you find offensive.

When you post something Harry takes exception to you tell him to stop crying and just not read it!

Isn't there a little bit of a contradiction here?
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Comments:
Ghost point was to post a reasonable solution and not engage the debate, besides he was saying "shut up" as a phrase like "listen to me"
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3. Ghost: no need 2 jump 2 his defense, seeing as i wasnt even talkin 2 harry, was talking 2 arbiter

harry, what is the pattern then?? please do tell

arbiter, fair enough

katie, we are in an argument, when he and other complained about the original post, i was just explaining if they didnt like the ORIGINAL post, why create an argument
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Comments:
Ghost restates his reasoning of the solution
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4. Katie: I don't think double standards and contradictions are any more appropriate whether you are having an argument or not or whether you are speaking to Harry or

Arbiter! They have as much right to voice their opinions as you do.

5. Ghost: yeah...but WHY create an argument...do u see my point??

i dont mind then saying religion isnt for them, maybe even say its silly, but to say its a load of bollocks is very offensive to me, and they were criticising her of selling

islam and not once did she mention about converting to islam, she was giving thanks 2 allah in our holy month of ramadan, its a bit like that thread u started back on

thanksgiving, no one got upset then did they

btw, this is nuthin against u, ur cool

6. Katie

I have nothing against you either. I am just pointing out that you are contradicting yourself when you tell people to shut up for stating their opinions but feel that you

should be able to state yours with impunity! A little like "Do as I say, not as I do

7. Ghost

ok

but im not saying dont express ur opnion, they do it ALL the time, they detest religion...fine, they say it all the time

but when they start bitchin about another thread about religion, why?? just leave it, they have made their views on religion very clear and do it all the time, so i dont see

the need 2 do it 2 this girl, and she wasnt even preaching like tashboy does, she was giving thanks 2 allah in our holy month, its like i said..no one got mad when u did a

similar thing last month, and rightly so, you werent preaching, you were expressing your feelings, so was she

u see my point??
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Comments:
Following another misunderstandment, Katie refering to ghosts phrase, if you look close there's an agreement about expressing opinions.
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8. Kovan

quote:
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Originally posted by barrk
Okay...I've tried to keep quite but I just can't.

When Harry posts something that you don't like you tell him to shut up and stop posting things you find offensive.

When you post something Harry takes exception to you tell him to stop crying and just not read it!

Isn't there a little bit of a contradiction here?
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I have REPEATEDLY asked you to STOP talking to me as i am not interestested in having any conversation what SO ever with you

1. i did not tell harry to shut up (i just said i will defend Islam when him or anyone is attacking it, yes that includes YOU)

2. i will defend Islam if it costs my life

for the last time
i beg of you to stop conversing with me, as i have no interest what so ever in what you have to say
i wish you would do the same
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Comments:
Following similar misunderstandment, Kovan thought as Ghost she was refering to the argument on expressing islam on these forums.
In fact I don't think Kovan read this well, especially as it was addressed to ghost, not to Kovan. Kind of two misunderstandment at once.
Anyways, earlier disputes between Kovan and Katie is reason to Kovan's strict declaration of the lack of interest in her opinion. (explanation to the above)
Debatable is still what has caused that tension. I scrolled trough some of the debates and it seems like Kovan has actually been trying to avoid Katie for the reason of
NOT STARTING AN UNCONTROLLED ARGUMENT which could lead to more trouble.

Comment to Katie: He is not interested in degrading nor expressing hate towards you, in fact He does not hate you and as I have witnessed only been evading conflicts.
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[kedaman]

9. Harry:

Kovan, stop telling Katie not to address you, she can do what she likes. You're still just being an ******* because she disagrees with your opinions. Grow up. If you don't

like what she says, just ignore her. Sound familiar? *Sigh*
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Comments:
1. As I have read no one actually noticed or cared about the misunderstandments above, just presumed wildly. I am not happy with Harry taking directly offensive attitudes.
2. IN CONTRARY to Ghost's fully reasonable model to solution Kovan actually powers the debates with his efficient defensive attitude.
3. This is not only for Harry but everyone who has responend to Kovan, he does not take action without provocation. I would have noticed the misunderstandment if i was

involved in the debate which i wasn't. Anyways Kovan did basically just express his noninterest in Katie's opinion, the act is totally fair, you don't have to listen to

someone if you don't, but the expression of this inherits from the way Kovan don't want to let anything addressed towards him to pass without feedback.
4. There is no offense staten in Kovan's post. He is asking Katie to not talk to him, not telling her to do so.
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10. Kovan: (in response to Harry)

dont call me an ******* as i havent called you an *******
i will not bring myself to your level and call you that
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Comments:
Kovan does not respond with offense even if he recieves, which is worth notable, because that is not his character. He has and can tolerate a lot more than most on that

thread.
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yes i can tell her to stop addressing me as much as i want she should show some respect towards me and not address me
as am giving her a chance so that i dont NEED to ignore her
but if she does it one more time i will ignore her i dont want to get in **** because of her as i havent said anything to her since the last incident, i wish she would do the

same
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Comments:
1. Here he says that he is able to tell her to actually not address him, not that he has done so. It does not indicate offense.
2. He says that he does NOT want into trouble because of another uncontrolled debate.
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11. Harry (in response to Kovan)


Kovan, if you are being an ******* I am going to tell you that you are being an *******. I know you wouldn't hesitate to do the same for me. Whether you are being an *******

or not has absolutely no dependency on whether I am being an *******. The fact is, I think you are being an ******* with your whole attitude towards Katie. It makes you look

bad.

What exactly makes you think she should show you some respect? You have shown her absolutely f*** all respect, every time she says something that you think is addressed to

you you ***** and whine and complain to her that you aren't interested in anything she has to say. Is that supposed to be a respectful way to treat someone? You don't even

listen to her.

Respect is earned not granted, Kovan, and you certainly haven't been earning any from Katie with your ******* attitude.

What the hell are you 'giving her a chance' for? If you don't have any interest in conversing with her, just shut the hell up and put her on ignore. Then she won't have to

put up with you complaining every time you think she's addressing you.
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Comments:
1. Kovans attitude towards Katie has not been indicated offensive, but evasive, which is a whole different attitude.
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12. Kovan
again am not going to bring myself to your level with name calling
13. Harry
You don't have to call me an ******* Kovan, that's not the point here. If you are unable to defend your actions then you should really think about that.
14.Kovan
Harry i dont have any interest in arguing
am trying to avoid a conflict here
bye

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Conclusion:

1. I did not find anything Offensive in Kovan's posts.
2. The whole thing was triggered off by some misunderstandments and some earlier tension.
3. Kovan's main point was not to tell her not to express her opinions on these forums but to ask her to not start a debate with him.

[Arbiter]

Mint!

Considering I opened a whole can of worms by saying that religion was one of the biggest causes of suffereing in the world, I seem to have 'escaped' Ked's analytical eye....

[ghost ryder]

ladies and gentlemen, our resident physchoanalyst

very well analysed, u came 2 a similar conclusion as me

and arbiter, ya sure did u cocky manc


btw, who has left the forums???

[Arbiter]

Ahh, the joys of forum debate!

And I can afford to be cocky, I have plenty to back it up with...

PS - Where did you get the idea that someone's left the forums?

[ghost ryder]

Originally posted by kedaman
My concern of doing this analysis is because of two people leaving this forum because of these arguments, there might be others, and I hope this will clear things out.

thats the reason...

[kedaman]

Arbiter: Check da arb thread

GR: Katie and Simon.

[ghost ryder]

oh i know simon has left, when did katie??

[kedaman]

I spoke to her some 8 hours ago a couple of hours before i started this project. I should probably go sleep now, it's 2pm and I haven't slept since ugh, don't remember.

[ghost ryder]

so she has decided 2 leave then?? coz of the arguments yeah??

[kedaman]

She found herself offended by been taken away the right to speak freely(didn't you notice how important that was to her earlier? ), I tried to explain this at least three times to her that it was a misunderstandment between both her and kovan, but I couldn't help that she was too emotionally affected to understand what i was trying to say. I did though convince her to come back at a later time, I don't know when. Have to talk more to her.

[ghost ryder]

yeah i spose

[JungleMan]

Get Drool-Boy in here and start banning!

Whoops, wrong forum...

[Pix]

Originally posted by Arbiter

And I can afford to be cocky, I have plenty to back it up with...

[ghost ryder]

afternoon nic, howz it goin??

[Pix]

It's going well, and there's a gorgeous sunset outside

[ghost ryder]

id love 2 see it, but as usual its all grey and cloudy here in GC

ah well, were movin in2 the nu flat on thursday, then im goin back home on friday!! yay me!!

[Pix]

Cool, I'm going home next Saturday - yay Will miss everyone at uni though

[ghost ryder]

yeah me too...but im only gonna be home for 10days which blows

but hopefully i will get an early birthday present of an archos jukebox 20

[Pix]

Nice one

[ghost ryder]

but still...only 10 days

[Pix]

Yeah, but you've still got 10 days, it's not great, but it's better than nothing

[ghost ryder]

well i dont have sat and sun, im fasting and my cousins are over (4 & 9) and ill have 2 hang with them, which is ok since my littlest cousin is tha man!! and then monday is eid, so i have tuesday-sunday

coz i leave on monday, so i miss and nu years laughs there gonna have

ah well, i can always go crazy up here, lol

[kovan]

Kedaman.. i would like to thank you for your time to do the analysis..

thats exactly what i meant by "someone with a mind"

cheerz

[ghost ryder]

what up kovan??

[kovan]

not much
just woke up

[ghost ryder]

ah right, cool

[kovan]

why the hell did simon leave?

[simonm]

I take it you're all talking about Chenko and not me 'cause I haven't gone anywhere.

[kovan]

Originally posted by simonm
I take it you're all talking about Chenko and not me 'cause I haven't gone anywhere.

didnt even know you existed

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by kovan
why the hell did simon leave?

Simon has found and is the administrator at a new site, www.pchelp.bz , without silly arguments over something with about as much intelligence as 3 blonde teenage prostitutes on Jeopardy.

And yes he's a Muslim and you don't see him bitching at everyone.