understood kedaman, it is too much work with modeling and stuff, but if we get a modeler, it'll be easier to make an rpg in 3d cause all you do is make a world, and then put the camera whatever way you want, that way you can make it isometrix, birds eye or whatever else or better yet you can let the user choose and let them zoom in or out... but that's just an opinion (think about alpha blending and other things), it's too complicated, so I think we should get more people together and try to learn and teach each other what we learned... In my opinion the first thing for making a game is to make an engine for the game, so you know you're not making the story and all the plans just to find out that when u make the engine certain things can't happen... so we could start on an engine but I gotta like go revise directdraw a bit cause it's been a while since I"ve used it... we should try to get more people interested..